Ohio State University: "Michael Nodianos is no longer a student at The Ohio State University."

[Tempest]

Just posted on their FB page.

[L0oniX]

1. +1

[LiberalFighter]

2. He and the others need to prosecuted.

[Tempest]

5. They will be. The state and FBI are on the case. n/t

[Darly314]

78. CAN KASICH BE TRUSTED TO ACT?

Obviously, if Ohio Constitution permits, Abdalla should have already been removed from office; Kasich has been quiet except for a boilerplate release. Thank God ANONYMOUS/KnightSEC took action.

[Tempest]

81. The governor has nothing to do with it.

The state AG office runs separately from the governor's office.

Pressure could be put on, but as high profile as this case is and with the FBI's involvement, I'm betting they want this to be transparent.

After all, #KnightSec is watching and they've already shown they're not a force to be trifled with.

[Darly314]

83. In Florida, Constitutional Officers can be suspended BY the Governor

Ohio may be different, that is my question.

[Tempest]

84. Not the issue

AG offices run separately from the governor's office.

The governor would need a powerful reason to suspend an AG since the AG has the power to investigate the governor's office.

[Darly314]

79. THE STATE WHEREIN ABDALLA WAS ELECTED

Not comforting unless Kasich knows HIS butt is near the fire.

[Fawke Em]

3. Can they provide that information?

It might be a violation of either FERPA or the Buckley Amendment.

While I applaud this decision - if it was there's - I don't want to see Ohio State swept up by this sue-happy group of miscreants.

[Tempest]

6. Universities can release some information under FERPA

Without the student's permission.

Whether or not a student is enrolled or attending is allowed.

[Fawke Em]

11. Thanks. The law has changed somewhat from when I

was a student working on the student newspaper and reporting on students, so I didn't know.

However, others are commenting on that FB page and mentioning that the scholarship was revoked. That's a move in the right direction.

This whole story has made my skin crawl to the point that I haven't been able to comment on it until now.

[Tempest]

15. I have 5 sisters and most of my friends are women

Stories like this make my blood boil.

[OldDem2012]

43. I'm sure THE Ohio State University has an army of lawyers who have already approved the....

....release of this information.

Additionally, how about we all just relax and let the DU mods/admins decide what's a violation of the TOS?

[OldDem2012]

46. Proceed, slackmaster. nt.

[snooper2]

47. Time to Go META!

LOL

[slackmaster]

54. Already done.

[TeamPooka]

63. exactly what personal information do you think has been disclosed here and violated the TOS?

[TeamPooka]

71. The way OSU is handling this information I believe it is called "news". nt

[Tempest]

72. He's got a personal drudge against me

That's the only reason he's complaining.

I mean, for god's sake, it is news and was reported publicly by the university.

[Ikonoklast]

111. There is another agenda at work here.

It's a flanking maneuver that failed from the outset.

[Tempest]

115. "Forward he cried from the rear..." n/t

[Ikonoklast]

123. "...and the lines on the map, moved from side to side...."

[LisaL]

134. ITA.

It was reported publicly by the university, for crying out loud. What kind of personal information is that?

[CreekDog]

147. it's because you're liberal

he hates them.

[Tempest]

150. No, it's because I support reasonable gun control laws. He made that clear. n/t

[CreekDog]

151. lol, no it's because you're a liberal

he doesn't like any of those.

[jorno67]

95. when it comes to student athletes

There is an entire industry devoted to who goes where and if the get a scholarship offer or not...ESPN, sport magazines,news papers...they all report student athletes status on a daily basis.

[Tempest]

116. He isn't a student athlete at OSU

He's there on an academic scholarship.

[jorno67]

135. sorry I got this guy and the one who was going to wrestle

at Kent State (the prosecutors son) mixed up...my bad.

[Tempest]

136. Understandable considering they both belong to the same "Rape Crew" n/t

[Tempest]

146. You should have done that before making the post you did in another thread

Your post was voted down because IT CONTAINED PERSONAL INFORMATION.

Apparently you think it's okay to post someone's personal financial information but not publicly announced information.

You are a fucking hypocrite.

And please stop stalking me.

[Tempest]

149. NOT THE POINT, NOW IS IT?

I only respond to your posts AFTER you respond to mine, genius.

Now you're starting to act like an Internet troll.

[Xithras]

56. It's not personal information. It's public record.

Anyone can call any college and request verification of degrees and certificates awarded, current enrollment, or dates of attendance. It's part of the public record, and it's a required service to keep people from claiming fraudulent degrees or classroom time. Many individual schools place limits or charge fees for the verification, and others require that you go through third party services so that they don't have to deal with the requesters directly, but that's a school policy thing and not any law or societal expectation.

His enrollment is not "private/personal information" any more than his name is. His actual grades, his disciplinary record, and other documentation associated with his enrollment would be private, but the status of his enrollment and awards is part of the public record.

[slackmaster]

58. So are most home phone numbers, but if someone posts one on DU it would very likely get hidden.

Read the TOS.

[trumad]

80. I must be blind..

Where in this Op was this info posted?

[slackmaster]

82. It's in the subject line

HTH

ETA as a parent I would not be pleased that someone posted where my son was enrolled in school without his consent.

[Tempest]

86. You might not be pleased, but it's perfectly legal.

FERPA allows for that information to be released publicly.

[Tempest]

92. That doesn't make any sense

Why would DU have rules that are stricter than what the law allows?

Isn't that the antithesis of why this site was created in the first place?

[Tempest]

125. Apparently it isn't and you just want it to be.

Too bad, so sad.

[CreekDog]

144. slackmaster is not being honest in his response to you

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2070084

[Tempest]

145. Yeah, and it's a shame.

Sometimes a subject comes up and people lose all perspective and reasoning.

Guns is his dog whistle.

Who's information was it he posted? It sure wasn't mine.

[LanternWaste]

105. I have no doubt that's your only issue.

I have no doubt that's your only issue.

[Tempest]

70. Apparently your opinion isn't shared.

Since my post is still here.

[d_r]

7. that is the only information that they can provide

basically. Whether or not an individual is a student at that institution.

[Sekhmets Daughter]

10. Here's a statement from OSU

http://www.thelantern.com/campus/ohio-state-issues-statement-regarding-alleged-rape-in-steubenville-1.2969759#.UOsFR7bXHJw

[Tempest]

16. That was from Friday and it was a dodge

And they failed to directly address his situation.

Just some mealy mouthed platitude about sympathizing with the victims of rape.

[Sekhmets Daughter]

23. FERPA.

[Tempest]

25. Already discussed and does not violate FERPA. n/t

[iandhr]

51. Maybe all FERPA allows...

is to confirm weather he is a student or not.

[Tempest]

68. It allows for some more, but not anything really relevant to this case. n/t

[GObamaGO]

4. I hope they bring this waste of human skin up on charges

Along with the rest of the rapists and adults who enabled them.

[Tempest]

9. State has taken over the case and the FBI are investigating.

I expect this to go much deeper than the students.

The county sheriff is said to be involved in the local drug and gambling trade. And a local radio personality who defended the kids was found to have possible child pornography on his computer and the pictures came from some of the students involved (#anonymous hacked his email account).

[Comrade Grumpy]

13. I am wary of some of the LocalLinks material.

They are slinging some wild accusations about the sheriff, some named individuals, and drugs, gambling, and organized crime. The accusations are very specific and serious, and LocalLinks hasn't provided any evidence to back them up, at least that I have seen.

I hope they have good libel lawyers.

[Tempest]

14. The accusations are not coming from LocalLeaks

They're coming from a local journalist (local until death threats made her leave town with her family) who has been covering the corruption in the town for years.

Notice how no denials are coming from the accused?

[Comrade Grumpy]

41. Can you point me to more about this local journalist and his/her findings?

All I know about the supposed corruption is what I read in LocalLinks. It made flat assertions without any backing evidence that I could see.

I also have experience with the dynamics of small town power structures. Lots of things get said; some of them could be true.

[OldDem2012]

45. Lots of awful things were said originally about the situation at Penn State....

...and it turned out to be far, far worse.

Funny how that works, isn't it?

[CitizenPatriot]

61. Steube nville is notorious for corruption

it goes way back. In the 90's the feds had to intervene re the sheriff's office and city manager. Google it when you have time. These accusations aren't coming out of nowhere.

[OldDem2012]

158. It goes back farther than that. The town was a major center for organized crime....

....during the Great Depression. Before organized crime moved west to Las Vegas after WWII, Steubenville was one of their largest hubs for gambling of any kind. Operating with tacit approval of local police and politicos, a regular system of gambling was run in the the back rooms of clubs and restaurants. When the bosses shifted their gaming interests to the desert, the operators of new Vegas casinos dredged Steubenville for talented table workers; the first couple generations of Vegas dealers, pit bosses and backroom guys were all from Steubenville.

Ohio Governor Kasich gave his latest inauguration speech in Steubenville, when it has been customary to always do that in Columbus. That raised more than a few eyebrows and more than a few questions as to why.

[CitizenPatriot]

159. Fascinating -thanks for the info

Also, "Ohio Governor Kasich gave his latest inauguration speech in Steubenville" -- enough said. One wonders if the "vote counting machine" installers are also from Steubenville. Just kidding; I'm sure all of that was legitimate even if it was installed around/above the law. And they call Chicago corrupt.

[Tempest]

74. Her name is Alexandria Goddard. You can perform the search. n/t

[Comrade Grumpy]

108. Thank You. For others, it's www.prinniefied.com

I'll be looking at it. The fact remains that LocalLinks is printing unsourced allegations about corruption there regarding the sheriff, his brother, and a local bar owner. Perhaps Goddard has material to back those claims, but it's not good journalism to print stuff like that without some evidence, which makes me a bit skeptical about claims made there.

[Tempest]

118. The lack of denials tells me there's something behind it

And I'm well versed in small town corruption by authorities. Lived in several of them.

[TeamPooka]

8. K&R

[yardwork]

12. Good. Now he needs to be arrested for accessory to rape and kidnapping.

[1StrongBlackMan]

18. We wish; but, ...

he can't be, nor will he be.

In order to be charged, the accessory must have in some way instigated, furthered, or concealed the crime. Merely, being present when the crime was occuring, and failing to stop the criminal conduct, and/or talking about it the conduct, even as the conduct is being commit, is not likely to meet the thresh-hold.

I haven't seen the video (I refuse to); but the only way I see him being charged would be if he were heard telling the guys, "Go on ... get some" or if he was "cheering" the guy(s) on.

[Tempest]

22. You're wrong. Read Ohio state law.

It's a crime to not report a crime you are aware of.

[1StrongBlackMan]

37. That's NOT what the law says ...

The law imposes requirements on classes of persons (but exempting others, by exclusion, from) the duty to report.

http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/2921.22

[Tempest]

75. It's obvious (A)(2) applies. n/t

[1StrongBlackMan]

96. Okay ...

My New Year's resolution was not to argue with folks ... especially, in areas where I have expertise.

[Logical]

100. Lol, so you basically have nothing?

[1StrongBlackMan]

102. Nope ...

just my experience having practiced law in the State of Ohio.

[Logical]

104. Then reply to the thread with your knowledge! n-t

[1StrongBlackMan]

107. I did respond from my base of knowledge ...

but, if the past year has taught me anything, it is that it will do no good ... thus my New Year's resolution.

[Logical]

110. Ok, then maybe don't reply initially! n-t

[1StrongBlackMan]

112. Yes, Sir/Mammam n/t

[Tempest]

120. So in other words...

You're saying you have the expertise, but you're not going to demonstrate or use it.

Real convincing. NOT!

[yardwork]

29. Not only is he cheering the rapes in the video, he implies that he was participating in the rapes.

In order to comment on this you are going to have to watch the video. And remember that the police investigators had the video last October. They said so in the probable cause hearing. The sheriff lied in recent press conferences when he said that they only just learned about the video.

Read the witnesses' testimony here, and the testimony of police detective Riegaud who says that he reviewed the video that Anonymous recently reposted to the web. The authorities had access to that video last fall. Note the date on this article:

http://www.wtov9.com/news/news/local/judge-finds-probable-cause-steubenville-rape-inves/nScLX/

[1StrongBlackMan]

38. Yes, Sir/Mammam. n/t

[yardwork]

141. That's what my mom says when she thinks I'm getting bossy.

Sorry! I can be a little bossy. I didn't mean to sound that way. This case is upsetting.

[1StrongBlackMan]

154. Agreed ...

This case is very disturbing ... one so many levels ... such as, an entire community's willingness to look passed the crime/demonize the victim; the state of society where boys would think that their conduct was OK; and, although there were up to 15 guys involved, only two are being prosecuted ... as juveniles.

[Starry Messenger]

35. Um, you need to watch the video.

Why write so much about something you have no information on? He describes in vicious detail what *he* did to the girl.

[leftstreet]

48. Do you know if he was questioned?

Do you know if he concealed evidence? Do you know if he instigated a crime? Do you know specifically that his actions failed to meet the criteria for criminal conduct?

[1StrongBlackMan]

67. I how only ...

what appeared on the first page of the OP.

[leftstreet]

69. Yet you said he can't be charged

You assured us 'he can't be, nor will he be'

You haven't watched the video in question, you have no access to or knowledge of the initial investigation, you referenced ORC2921.22 (which already applies to 'classes' of persons and is irrelevant to the OP)

but you're certain he can't be charged

Odd

[Tempest]

88. Nice catch. n/t

[1StrongBlackMan]

98. Okay ...

As I responded to Tempest ... My New Year's resolution was not to argue with folks ... especially, in areas where I have expertise.

[pennylane100]

113. Your lack of curiousity about the case is a good reason to question your expertise Ohio law.

You may have been a very good lawyer, but I would be worried about you representing me, even pro bono. If you are interested in telling people that they have reached the wrong conclusions, you should do more than say I know better because I am a lawyer.
I think that just telling people they are wrong but you will not explain why, is not a credible statement.

[1StrongBlackMan]

127. Point taken ...

My point is there is no duty to report a crime, unless you are in a specified class of person that creates the duty.

I (and others) are correct ... I probably shouldn't have made the declarative, without being willing to argue/explain the point.
I guess I'm still trying to gain my non-argumentative legs.

[pennylane100]

130. Very good response,

OK, you can represent me pro bono if the need occurs, and good luck finding your new legs. I think that kind of change takes a while.

[Marrah_G]

156. I think you are doing pretty good :)

[tkmorris]

119. Look, I've usually enjoyed your posts in the past...

But your statements here are a bit odd. You admit to a rather profound ignorance of the facts in this case but offer your "expert" opinion anyway. You are quite clear in stating that you have not viewed the video, and you seem to be completely aware that what the young man says and does in that video is of profound importance in terms of what he may be charged with, and yet you feel qualified to state what he can charged with?

That's just strange logic right there. I've never known a practicing lawyer to be quite so loose throwing their legal opinion around while simultaneously admitting a lack of knowledge about the very case they are speaking of.

[Tempest]

122. You voiced why I don't believe he's a lawyer

I have yet to meet a lawyer who wasn't eager to share his opinion on a case.

This guy is shooting blanks.

[1StrongBlackMan]

126. Point taken ...

From what I've heard of the video (including a statement this morning from Ohio AG DeWine), this kid is/was mocking the victim ... I had not heard that he admitted having participated in the rape. My comment was on that basis.

[patriotboy]

17. Gone like the Atlanta wind

[patriotboy]

19. Gone like reason at a teaparty rally

[d_r]

32. he's more gone than Robert Plant and Allison Krauss

[d_r]

34. he's more gone than the Violent Femme's Daddy

[d_r]

52. he's more gone than Gollum's precious

[d_r]

53. he's more gone than Luke Skywalker's hand

[d_r]

55. he's more gone than Sublime's money

[d_r]

57. that dude is more gone than Steve Carrell from the Office

[Voice for Peace]

89. he's more gone than Mitt Romney. more gone than osama bin laden.

[marions ghost]

33. Gone like Mz Palin after a photo shoot with a headless turkey

Gone like Mitt Romney after dissing Big Bird

[Liberal_in_LA]

117. lol

[Sheldon Cooper]

20. Good. I wish they'd clarify whether he was expelled or left of his own volition.

[Tempest]

24. That info would violate FERPA. n/t

[rollin74]

133. according to his lawyer, Michael left on his own and still has the scholarship and might return

it seems they're waiting for publicity to die down and he could be back at OSU in a few months

[Lone_Star_Dem]

21. Excellent.

One step in the right direction.

[Beaverhausen]

26. Wrong- all they say is that he is not in attendance

no students are currently in attendance at the university.

[Arugula Latte]

28. The wording is "Michael Nodianos is no longer a student at The Ohio State University."

Meaning, he's out.

[Tempest]

30. Wrong on both counts

The sentence was cut and pasted from their FB page.

And since classes at OSU start today, doesn't it stand to reason the students are already registered and attending classes?

[Beaverhausen]

39. Ok- I stand possibly corrected. But what I saw in the link someone else posted was simply that he's

not in attendance. Good for them if they did indeed kick him out.

[Tempest]

77. That was a release from Friday. The poster didn't realize how old it was. n/t

[Arugula Latte]

27. I like this FB comment:

"This just in.... Michael Nodianos will be making a video on how dead his Ohio state scholarship is!"

[Tempest]

31. Brilliant! n/t

[HangOnKids]

40. Fitting For This Punk

He just thought he was so precious making all those dead quips. What a sad and pathetic FOOL.

[stevenleser]

36. +10^10^100

[jmg257]

49. That's good...has anyone beat the snot of him yet? nt

[LP2K12]

50. O-H...

I-O!

[PeaceNikki]

59. K&R. good. fuck him.

[certainot]

60. Oh State supports 6 limbaugh stations ( https://sites.google.com/site/universitiesforrushlimbaugh/ )

i wonder what their local blowhards are saying about it all. here's one eg

seabeyond (81,371 posts)
47. local radio. David Bloomquist, known as "Bloomdaddy."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2127300

hugely popular morning radio host

"These girls at these parties, sometimes they drink a little bit too much, sometimes they get a little promiscuous, all of the sudden they're being called, you know, a whore, what have you, and it's really easy to say that you were taken advantage of rather than own up to the fact that 'Hey look, I did what I did.'"

Bloomquist then went on to say that he thinks the report by the 14-year-old was "she said - he said" and was likely consensual.

"I guess the best way to sum up what I'm saying is this: It's easier to tell your parents you were raped then, 'Hey mom or dad, I got drunk and decided to let three guys have their way with me.' "

Bloomquist told The Plain Dealer this week that his roll as a host is to talk about both sides of the issue and provoke conversation.

"I'm not pointing a finger at the girls," he explained. "I am trying to tell the story from all angles."

"Who's to put the blame on the boys until they are found guilty?" he said. "Rape is a heavy word. ... Rape to me is forced. Rape to me is taking advantage of someone when they have no idea what's going on."

our schools and unis need to end their support for RW radio. when they start to do that RW radio and the tea/talk radio party is done and we'll have a much more patriotic and intelligent GOP.

[rollin74]

62. great news!

[abelenkpe]

64. Good news

He should be in jail.

[Pachamama]

66. Go Buckeyes!!!!

This is good news.....I cant imagine Ohio State or any school for that matter would want a dangerous predator on their campus walking around (not to mention a sick sociopath - just watch one minute of his 12 min oratory laughing about a dead girl and her pussy being as dry as the sun or that she must be dead because she didnt make a sound with a "wang" in her ass)....



Next: lets hope charges are brought against this scum bag....

May Michael "I fuck dead people" Nordianos's name be forever known everywhere he goes....

[rollin74]

73. nodianos attorney to hold press conference in a few minutes (2:30 eastern)

http://www.wtov9.com/videos/news/wtov-live-video/vD4xz/

[Tempest]

90. He's doing an awful lot of parsing

And some of his statements don't make any sense. He's trying to claim the video wasn't made just after the rapes occurred. The girl was still in the room when the tape was made according to sources.

[rollin74]

94. interesting. he just said it was Michael's decision to leave school

his OSU scholarship is still valid
and he could go back to school at a later time (possibly summer or next fall)

so he may not be completely gone from Ohio State

[Pachamama]

97. OSU would be crazy to let this guy return n/t

[rollin74]

101. the lawyer just said it was best to "sit out a quarter" - sounds like Mikey intends on going back

not sure what OSU can/will do about it

[MissMarple]

109. His lawyer doesn't want to weaken his case if they should have to go to court.

Like you, I wonder what latitude OSU has. One would think that an athlete's character would have some standing in all this.

[Tempest]

124. OSU can expel him for violating student conduct rules

The tape alone violates OSU's student conduct rules.

[southernyankeebelle]

76. Who is this guy? What did he do? I haven't heard the name.

[gollygee]

85. http://localleaks.blogs.ru/2013/01/01/steubenvillefiles/

[Pachamama]

91. Remember his name -Michael Colin Nodianos

Last edited Tue Jan 8, 2013, 12:58 AM - Edit history (1)

Google it...also known as "Michael "I fuck dead people" Nodianos....

Scum of earth - someone you dont want in your neighborhood or near your kids...

[Tempest]

93. Or on the same campus as your sister or daughter. n/t

[southernyankeebelle]

99. OMG, I don't think I want to know him. Sick, sick, sick

[Pachamama]

106. Just Realized who he reminds me of: Joran Van Der Sloot

Another scary sociopath who has killed at least two girls....

My guess is that this Michael Nordianos and and any of the other of these "Rape Crew" members could very easily turn out to be Joran Van der Sloot's given enough time and opportunity in the world.....

Its why they shouldnt be walking around free....

[Tempest]

132. There's a rifle at his feet when he's making his disgusting statements.

Why is a rifle out during a rape?

He is most certainly one to keep an eye on.

[Pachamama]

138. I couldnt believe it! So there were even weapons there - with minors!!! Is there a law in Ohio re.

...the proper securing of firearms from minors???

There just seems to be no end to the long list of what kind of illegal activities and violations took place and yet the law enforcement and prosecutors couldnt come up with anything but 2 people in juvenile court? Really? No adults who owned these houses charged for providing alchohol to minors? Nothing?

And then this rifle with hunting scope laying on floor in clear view in video....its just unbelievable....

[southernyankeebelle]

139. Yes, yes, yep crazy nutjobs. Did you hear he got some girl pregnant? I read someplace.

[Pachamama]

140. Hadnt heard that - but teen pregnancy isnt so shocking....

Unless it was a pregnancy by rape.....

But I guess there are those that would say it wasnt legitimate rape then....

[southernyankeebelle]

142. Well he is in jail and I think it is a local girl. God only knows how the kid will turn out.

Hopefully the child won't have his daddy's genes that will screw up his life.

[Liberal_in_LA]

114. what about the ex-boyfriend of the raped girl?

Cody Saltsman

In the middle of all of this Cody Saltsman sent her dad a photo of her being carried by her wrists and ankles the said “look at your whore daughter now”
http://www.ohiochatter.com/forum/showthread.php?36150-whats-goin-on-in-quot-the-ville-quot&p=1263122

Why is his name fading from this story?

[Pachamama]

137. Cody Saltsman - his name should not be forgotten! In fact, in my opinion, he should be charged as

....the conspirator and master-mind behind the kidnapping, abduction, drugging and raping and sodomizing of a minor, across state lines, and then for aiding in the distribution of child pornography of any nude photos. He should be charged with any law that he violated which if the information being provided and leaked by Anonymous is true, is a lot.

The reason we are talking specifically only about Michael "I fuck dead people" Nordianos, was because this original post was about him no longer being at OSU. But in my opinion, every single one of those monsters who were there, participating, witnessing, knowing, etc....should have their names known like scarlet RED letters that burn bright everywhere they go....that everyone knows that they are the lowest forms of life there can be....

Cody "you will regret ever breaking up with me" Saltsman.....which really should be Cody "you will regret ever dating me" Saltsman....

[historylovr]

155. +1 He should also be Cody "below a jail cell" Saltsman. nt

[jsr]

153. It's actually Nodianos

and the Internet will remember him:

[Pachamama]

157. Thank you for correction in spelling - meanwhile, I had only seen the tweet about urination....

....not the others....OMG....

How is it that these are not admissions of participation and witnessing of crimes? He clearly was witness to her being raped - mocked it, probably raped her too. Failed to report it. Clearly knew that it was rape and not sex since he chooses the song "rape me" as theme of night.....and even though we says in video rant a clear referenceabout not making a sound during being anally sodomized, he mocks it in a tweet too?

OMG....and he isnt charged with any crime? Not even a misdemeanor? He is still eligible to be a student at OSU and has a lawyer come out in a press conference and imply that he is leaving OSU by his own choice for his safety until things "die down"? Is this some kind of sick nightmare? How can this be happening?

[Liberal_in_LA]

121. *THE* Ohio state university

[libdem4life]

128. I remember when OJ got off on original charges...it was the civil suit that nailed him.

They also nailed Sandusky and did so while still, as far as I know, protecting the minors from the press. It's not like the people in the vicinity don't know the identity of the girl/s involved. I'm praying it will be a landmark national case for sexual assault and exposure of the under belly of the "just good natured, nothing serious hazing" that is rampant in most sports programs that create a royalty of prima donas...same for the frat houses.

Also, girls often feel the need to support their culture of abusers rightfully fearful they might turn on them ... typical domestic abuse cycle of violence. Notice that there had to be a federal law to promote awareness and to legislate Violence Against Women.

I acknowledge all my male friends, family and acquaintances and those on this board that support and further these principles.

[Tempest]

131. Don't forget, a 14 year old girl has come forward and said she was raped by the same boys. n/t

[demmiblue]

143. K&R