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spanone

(135,844 posts)
Sun Jan 6, 2013, 09:36 AM Jan 2013

Move to arm teachers picks up steam in TN

Measures that would bring more police officers into schools and allow teachers to be armed appear to be gaining momentum among Tennessee lawmakers in the wake of last month’s shooting in Newtown, Conn.

Several Tennessee lawmakers say they have drafted legislation that would encourage school districts to place at least one armed police officer in every school and would allow teachers who have undergone special training to bring their personal handguns into schools.

And at least one city in Middle Tennessee is considering paying for teachers to take a gun training course.

The state measures would reverse decades-old policies that have all but banned firearms from schools. Supporters say gun bans have failed to prevent school violence, but many teachers, administrators and parents are reacting with alarm to the proposals. Some are against teachers having guns in classrooms, saying it will make schools less safe by letting untrained marksmen carry guns into an environment filled with children.

http://www.tennessean.com/article/20130106/NEWS0201/301060068/Move-arm-teachers-picks-up-steam-TN

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Move to arm teachers picks up steam in TN (Original Post) spanone Jan 2013 OP
this will result in more tragedies samsingh Jan 2013 #1
Great. Earth_First Jan 2013 #2
Well it looks like we finally have an aspect of education the GOP likes. Turbineguy Jan 2013 #3
Why don't they just allow all of the students to be armed? LiberalFighter Jan 2013 #4
complete GOP congress/governor.... they will ram this through spanone Jan 2013 #5
I am going to start praying right now blaze Jan 2013 #6
Armed guard did not stop Columbine. But, if the teachers are given a serious pay raise to be armed peacebird Jan 2013 #7
Armed guards in schools are not educators... Earth_First Jan 2013 #8
You misunderstood me. I think arming teachers is totally stupid, as is putting armed cops in schools peacebird Jan 2013 #10
No, I understood you; I was only elaborating on my own opinon... Earth_First Jan 2013 #11
Agree with you. Glad you didn't think I was extoling the "virtues" of LaPierres idea! peacebird Jan 2013 #12
Nope, not at all... Earth_First Jan 2013 #14
How will they pay for more armed guards in schools? Less teachers, of course. leveymg Jan 2013 #15
Which would cost about a million dollars at least. LiberalFighter Jan 2013 #18
Wouldn't metal detectors be less traumatic for the children? In_The_Wind Jan 2013 #9
Would they also have to take off their shoes...? Earth_First Jan 2013 #16
No In_The_Wind Jan 2013 #17
This is a gunman's employment Bill. leveymg Jan 2013 #13
There are too many bad security guards as it is. LiberalFighter Jan 2013 #19

Turbineguy

(37,342 posts)
3. Well it looks like we finally have an aspect of education the GOP likes.
Sun Jan 6, 2013, 09:42 AM
Jan 2013

Spending educational dollars on guns and gun training.

spanone

(135,844 posts)
5. complete GOP congress/governor.... they will ram this through
Sun Jan 6, 2013, 09:45 AM
Jan 2013

like they have all legislation since they took the majority

blaze

(6,362 posts)
6. I am going to start praying right now
Sun Jan 6, 2013, 09:46 AM
Jan 2013

for the first teacher that accidentally shoots and kills one of her/his students.

Or maybe I should start a fund for the trial.

peacebird

(14,195 posts)
7. Armed guard did not stop Columbine. But, if the teachers are given a serious pay raise to be armed
Sun Jan 6, 2013, 09:48 AM
Jan 2013

And if we hire more cops, well the added employment could be a boost for some towns. Lets see, here we have 16 elementary, 6 middle, and 4 high schools. That would be ~30 cops. Now how they plan to PAY for the additional police, training, weapons....



Guns in schools btw is a stupid stupid idea. LaPierre is a frothing idiot.

But strictly as a means of getting more folks employed in a solid profession it has merit....

Earth_First

(14,910 posts)
8. Armed guards in schools are not educators...
Sun Jan 6, 2013, 09:56 AM
Jan 2013

You bring exactly the point on how does a district pay for this?

Now to speak to the educators who oppose violence and/or gun ownership.

Do you DEMAND as part of their chosen career path that they arm themselves? How does that work?

Are only certain teachers armed?

Is it a volunteer effort?

Teachers are human beings; they are not infallible beings. Whose to say that by having access to a gun in a school, that an educator does not become the next school shooter?

This is wrong on so many levels I cannot begin to wrap my head around it...

peacebird

(14,195 posts)
10. You misunderstood me. I think arming teachers is totally stupid, as is putting armed cops in schools
Sun Jan 6, 2013, 10:05 AM
Jan 2013

It is dumb dumb dumb. The only positive I could find is that there would be good new jobs available in weapons safety training, markmenship, additional police hired, and IF they legislate that teachers can/must be armed then those teachers should get a hefty pay raise.


Earth_First

(14,910 posts)
11. No, I understood you; I was only elaborating on my own opinon...
Sun Jan 6, 2013, 10:10 AM
Jan 2013

I think the idea is beyond conceivable.

Earth_First

(14,910 posts)
14. Nope, not at all...
Sun Jan 6, 2013, 10:18 AM
Jan 2013

As a parent with a daughter of a high school aged child, I am aware of the potential dangers from both sides of the debate.

However, I am unwilling to allow the hallways of my child's high school to become further militarized to escape more violence with... more violence?

The idea is simply maddening!

An FYI: I am just as opposed to military recuriting in my daughter's high school as I am any other form of violence...

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
15. How will they pay for more armed guards in schools? Less teachers, of course.
Sun Jan 6, 2013, 10:19 AM
Jan 2013

That takes care of two birds, right there.

LiberalFighter

(50,943 posts)
18. Which would cost about a million dollars at least.
Sun Jan 6, 2013, 11:23 AM
Jan 2013

And 1 cop per school would not be enough considering all of the entrances and exits in a school. All a person needs to do is determine if there is any type of routine a single cop performs during the day and attack when he is at the other side of the school. That would depend on the mindset of the attacker if they want to commit as much destruction as possible or do some and expect they will die.

Earth_First

(14,910 posts)
16. Would they also have to take off their shoes...?
Sun Jan 6, 2013, 10:21 AM
Jan 2013


My daugher, a high school aged child and I recently traveled and upon exiting the TSA booths bemoaned the ridiculous behavior being tolerated by having to take off one's shoes...

In_The_Wind

(72,300 posts)
17. No
Sun Jan 6, 2013, 10:26 AM
Jan 2013

Every time I go into public buildings (DMV, City Hall, Police Dept) I am scanned.
My bag is searched but I don't need to remove anything I wearing.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
13. This is a gunman's employment Bill.
Sun Jan 6, 2013, 10:16 AM
Jan 2013

Think of the opportunities for hiring more armed security guards.

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