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Liberal_in_LA

(44,397 posts)
Thu Jan 3, 2013, 04:17 PM Jan 2013

is this rape? woman has sex with man because she thinks he's her boyfriend - bedroom is dark

Appeals court reluctantly overturns rape conviction

A state appeals court has overturned the rape conviction of a Southern California man whose victim may have mistakenly believed he was her boyfriend - conduct that the court reluctantly concluded is not a crime.

In a ruling Wednesday, the Second District Court of Appeal in Los Angeles granted a new trial to Julio Morales, who has already served his three-year prison sentence, and urged the Legislature to change the law.

Morales was charged with sexually assaulting an 18-year-old woman in her dark bedroom after a party in Cerritos (Los Angeles County) in February 2009. The court said the woman and her boyfriend had considered having sex after the party but decided not to, and he went home while she fell asleep.

She told police she awoke awhile later during an act of intercourse, but realized only when light shone into the room that the man was not her boyfriend. She said she tried to push him away, and he resisted but eventually left.


Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/Appeals-court-reluctantly-overturns-rape-4164988.php#ixzz2GwgJVm00


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is this rape? woman has sex with man because she thinks he's her boyfriend - bedroom is dark (Original Post) Liberal_in_LA Jan 2013 OP
Non-consensual sex is rape. She was asleep, so no consent was given. CaliforniaPeggy Jan 2013 #1
well, at least the perp already served the sentence. Liberal_in_LA Jan 2013 #3
She did not consent at the start. maxsolomon Jan 2013 #2
You can't give consent when you're asleep. It IS rape. CaliforniaPeggy Jan 2013 #4
It's not rape Orrex Jan 2013 #5
Appeals court reluctantly overturns rape conviction? Lochloosa Jan 2013 #6
That's absolutely rape. Straw Man Jan 2013 #7
appeals court says it isn't Liberal_in_LA Jan 2013 #8
Appeals court is wrong demwing Jan 2013 #13
The appeals court isn't saying that the behavior described above isn't rape Yo_Mama Jan 2013 #16
It's rape - non-consensual Yo_Mama Jan 2013 #9
Even if he were her boyfriend it would be rape. She was asleep and could not give consent. yardwork Jan 2013 #10
So the man gets into the bed of a sleeping woman (who, btw, can't give consent) Lex Jan 2013 #11
Yes, it's rape. nt historylovr Jan 2013 #12
If she was asleep, it was rape. The court ruled on an ambiguity in the decision. Jim__ Jan 2013 #14
she didn't consent d_r Jan 2013 #15
Um, wtf. Starry Messenger Jan 2013 #17

Lochloosa

(16,076 posts)
6. Appeals court reluctantly overturns rape conviction?
Thu Jan 3, 2013, 04:24 PM
Jan 2013

I would have "reluctantly" asked the lawyers wtf they were doing wasting my time.

Yo_Mama

(8,303 posts)
16. The appeals court isn't saying that the behavior described above isn't rape
Thu Jan 3, 2013, 04:44 PM
Jan 2013

This case appears to be about the jury instructions relating to the accused's story, which is different from the victim's:

Morales testified that the woman was asleep when he entered the bedroom, and he awoke her by kissing her on the cheek. He said she exchanged kisses and then had sex with him, probably because she mistakenly thought he was her boyfriend. He said he left on his own and didn't remember being pushed away.

Morales' first trial ended in a hung jury. He was convicted in his second trial of the crime of "rape of an unconscious person," which jurors were told could be committed in one of two ways: Either the victim was asleep and unable to refuse consent, or she was unaware of what she was doing because the perpetrator "concealed information from her."


The appeals court said that the second case was inaccurately described to the jury, because the law only applied to a married victim who believed he/she was having sex with his/her spouse.

"We reluctantly hold that a person who accomplishes sexual intercourse by impersonating someone other than a married victim's spouse is not guilty of the crime of rape of an unconscious person," said Justice Thomas Willhite in the 3-0 ruling. Because it wasn't clear whether the jury convicted Morales on that basis, the court said, he is entitled to a new trial.


When the court said the legislature should amend the law, they meant that the legislature should amend the law to cover cases like this.

Yo_Mama

(8,303 posts)
9. It's rape - non-consensual
Thu Jan 3, 2013, 04:26 PM
Jan 2013

Woman was asleep, so could not have consented to initiation of act; male had no reason to believe that she would consent (no relationship betw. the two, male resisted attempt to desist, adding force.

It's not only rape, it's very clearly rape.

If a woman gets drugged into insensibility or blind drunk, that does not give anyone justification to have sex with her. The theory that this is not rape is really quite extraordinary.

Lex

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11. So the man gets into the bed of a sleeping woman (who, btw, can't give consent)
Thu Jan 3, 2013, 04:30 PM
Jan 2013

and begins to have sex with her anyway, and that's NOT rape?

Bullshit.

Jim__

(14,092 posts)
14. If she was asleep, it was rape. The court ruled on an ambiguity in the decision.
Thu Jan 3, 2013, 04:37 PM
Jan 2013

It wasn't clear whether the jury ruled that she was asleep, or that she she thought Morales was her lover.

Morales testified that the woman was asleep when he entered the bedroom, and he awoke her by kissing her on the cheek. He said she exchanged kisses and then had sex with him, probably because she mistakenly thought he was her boyfriend. He said he left on his own and didn't remember being pushed away.

Morales' first trial ended in a hung jury. He was convicted in his second trial of the crime of "rape of an unconscious person," which jurors were told could be committed in one of two ways: Either the victim was asleep and unable to refuse consent, or she was unaware of what she was doing because the perpetrator "concealed information from her."

There is such a crime under California law. But the appeals court said it's defined narrowly, to cover situations in which the perpetrator misleads the victim into believing they're married, and doesn't apply if she believes she's having sex with her lover.




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