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[Ian62]

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[geek tragedy]

1. You realize that the payroll tax is what funds Social Security, right? nt

[Ian62]

6. payroll tax cut should expire

There should be an EQUIVALENT income tax cut for lower paid workers so that the poor and middle class don't get a huge tax hike.

[AZ Progressive]

12. BTW, know now that you will pay 15% for Social Security and Medicare taxes

Remember, your employer pays 7.5% (thats 7.5% less money that you would otherwise get), and you will now pay 7.5% directly from your paycheck, so the combined amount will now be 15% instead of 13%. This is a pretty steep additional tax and especially for many of us who will not see these benefits until 30+ years and that's if it even survives at all.

[jberryhill]

29. "thats 7.5% less money that you would otherwise get"

How do you figure that?

If employers have extra money lying around, they just give it to employees?

Bull.

[Recursion]

33. Bwah!

Remember, your employer pays 7.5% (thats 7.5% less money that you would otherwise get)



That's sweet, really.

I've got a bridge to sell you, if you believe that.

[OldDem2012]

2. Go away. nt.

[lonestarnot]

3. Knock knock. Anybody in there?

[patrice]

4. My bet: These are "Libertarians" forming up behind Jon Huntsman. nt

[graham4anything]

28. yup.

[patrice]

5. AMT is a Middle Class tax!! BBbwwaaaa . . . . oh! nevermind! nt

[Ian62]

9. It mostly affects those on

$50,000 or $60,000 who have tax deductibles.

Who do you call middle class?

AMT
http://www.dailyfinance.com/2012/12/17/fiscal-cliff-alternative-minimum-tax/

[patrice]

17. It looks like your assuming the usual AMT adjustment for the lower end of the range won't happen.

Whose fault would that be?

[JoePhilly]

7. Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor???

Hell no!!!

And it ain't over now!!!

[SidDithers]

30. Forget it. He's rolling...

Sid

[DJ13]

8. Actually, the people who will miss the 2% payroll tax break isnt the poor or lower middle class

It will be those who make close to the $110,000 limit on FICA withholding.

The poor/lower middle probably saw a few dollars per week.

That was one of the original criticisms of that tax break when it replaced the "Making Work Pay" credit, as a stimulus it was targeted at the wrong end of the scale due to it relying on the progressive nature of a payroll tax.

[Kaleva]

10. Keep us informed how your march on Washington turns out.

[Kaleva]

13. When are you going to Washington then?

[jberryhill]

14. About as well as these other items from the linked blog:

"Why only Ron Paul Can Beat Obama"

"Here's How to Have a Super RON PAUL Tuesday"

"Reasons to Vote Ron Paul"

[Ian62]

19. It seems you are on the side of the large Corporations and not on the side of the poor

or the middle classes - like Obama and unlike me.

[jberryhill]

23. "The Republican Party can beat Obama and will become favorites to do so, if they nominate Ron Paul"

"That's what freedom is all about, taking your own risks."

Enjoy your march.

Oh....

And fuck Ron Paul.

[pinboy3niner]

26. You forgot "MONKEY PANCAKES"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10174378

Oh, and fuck Ron Paul.

[loyalkydem]

36. Hey Ron Paul lost - vanishes

[AZ Progressive]

15. Who here believes that we are being continually played a "Good Cop, Bad Cop" game?

Obama and the Democrats pretend to be good cop but sell us out in the end. Who else believes this?

[patrice]

22. There ARE other cohorts at "the table", what do some people propose we do? Kill them all?

Assuming that we agree on taxing the rich, we should not lose sight of our budget priorities, but bitching about absolutely everything tends to get us nothing.

#1 CUT DEFENSE. Then I hope we invest in infrastructure and national health care, e.g. http://www.pnhp.org/ (HR 676 Expanded & Improved Medicare for All is linked on that frontpage, btw), and education.

[TakeALeftTurn]

27. I agree!

After Obama said he would close GITMO and bring the troops home only to expand the wars and now has created a kill list I've been extremely ticked off at him. Hoping he'll hold onto his promises this year.

[Floyd_Gondolli]

16. Please send your itinerary

Perhaps we can assist with travel expenses.

[alcibiades_mystery]

18. I'll watch on teevee

You'll get prime coverage for sure!

[Rex]

20. So you just realized we live in a plutocracy?

What were you doing since the 1980s? I mean seriously we've been talking about it forever. Funny seeing someone freak out when they connect all the dots for the first time!

Get in line...or go join in the OWS protests. Either way you are way, way late to the party.

Oh and that has been the status quo for decades now, do some catching up with current events.

I am a little embarrassed for you.

[Floyd_Gondolli]

21. He's also a brit

Perhaps he doesn't realize he lives in a country steeped in aristocracy.

[Rex]

25. Yes where was he when they decided to put

a camera on every street corner? I am skeptical about anything said poster has to post.

[Scurrilous]

24. March away!

[DevonRex]

31. interesting CT article about the Federal Reserve in your little blog.

The one to which you link ad nauseum. Nothing about the gold standard yet?

[phleshdef]

32. That will be an awful lonely one man march.

[DevonRex]

34. Ooh, a pro-Ron Paul, anti-Obama, favorable to Republicans blog entry here:

Thanks to Son of Gob for finding this gem!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1240198930#post15

15. Here's another blog entry from the Paul troll.

http://ian56.blogspot.co.uk/2012/09/blaming-ron-paul-people-for-romneys.html

Blaming Ron Paul people for Romney's massive defeat Updated 12/22

The Primaries started out with the war cry "Anyone but Romney".
So why did you (and unfortunately me) end up with him?
You got screwed.
You got screwed by Reince Priebus, Fox News, RNC, GOP establishment, John McCain, Karl Rove, Bill Kristol, Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, Dick Cheney, Rupert Murdoch and the rest of the neocons.
And anyone else in the Republican Establishment that endorsed Romney.
They picked Romney.
Blame the Republican Establishment and Fox News.

You got screwed by yourselves because you didn't bother to find out about Romney and didn't campaign against him.
Ordinary GOP voters, activists and lower level office holders should wake up and be more informed.
It is your extreme ignorance that caused Romney to be nominated.
It is your extreme ignorance about the carnage that Romney would bring to America, that is the problem.

Blame your apathy.
For heavens sake, you didn't even force Romney to disclose his tax returns prior to 2010 - how stupid was that?
Blame yourselves.

Obama is an extremely weak candidate.
Unemployment is currently at levels where historically an incumbent wouldn't stand a chance.
But Romney is getting slaughtered - currently around 4 to 5% down in swing states.
Because Romney is an even worse candidate with an even worse track record than Obama and nobody likes him.

It will get worse for Romney before November 6th, very little has so far been aired about him, when it is - Independent voters will switch off in droves.
Republicans should have picked someone else.
Almost anyone else would have done better than Romney.

Election Prediction
Obama 347 Romney 191
Romney to get 40 to 41% of the popular vote. Update 12/22 I got this one wrong, but not a lot else. I didn't take account that Obama didn't want to win too big, so that he could still blame Republicans for his failed policies after his win. When Obama got too far ahead in the polls, he deliberately threw the first debate. Obama never used the best ammunition he had on Romney so that he didn't win too big. U6 unemployment is at 15%, the 2012 election should have been a slam dunk win for the Republicans - that is what everybody was expecting in 2011. It would of been if they had nominated a half decent candidate - they would of taken Obama's abysmal record apart.
It is increasingly likely that Republicans will lose control of the House.
Democrats WILL control the Senate.


Get angry at them for screwing you.
Get angry at yourselves for not being more informed.
Get ANGRY that Obama will be re-elected and will be able to pass legislation that we don't want.

Learn from it, so WE don't get screwed again next time.

It is no good trying to blame Ron Paul people, most of them only joined the Republican Party in order to be able to vote for Ron Paul.
Most were Independents or not interested in politics, before they became interested in Ron Paul.
They were never going to vote for Mitt Romney in a MILLION years.
Become more informed about Ron Paul supporters, here's a quick 1 page guide.
http://ian56.blogspot.co.uk/2012/05/wake-up-call-to-republican-party.html

In fact you should be APOLOGIZING to Ron Paul supporters.
Ron Paul supporters did do extensive research on Romney.
I know of one Newt supporter that did also.
And that was about it, I don't know anyone that did ANY other research on Romney.
N.B. Romney was not vetted at all in the primaries by the other candidate campaigns.
He could get away with this because he had at least three times as much cash as anyone else, total Fox News bias for him and the GOP Establishment on his side.
He bullied the other candidates into not attacking him in any meaningful way, otherwise he would put out multiple slanders and "ruin them".
E.G. Newt Gringrich SuperPac produced a very powerful ad about Damon Corp (owned by Bain) and massive medicare fraud.
But this only ran for about the 3 days before the Florida vote.
And then was mysteriously withdrawn.
Carl Cameron (of Fox News) knew about the ad, but tweeted "powerful ad out by Newt could spell trouble" and "we are trying to suppress the story until after the vote".
It was a stupid thing to tweet - I have a screen shot of the second one (Carl Cameron deleted his stupid tweets shortly after he posted them).

Not only did Ron Paul supporters research Mitt Romney and how bad a candidate he would turn out to be, we warned you about him, but you didn't listen.
http://ian56.blogspot.co.uk/2012/05/message-to-gop-incumbents-and.html
http://ian56.blogspot.co.uk/2012/09/the-case-against-mitt-romney.html

You should be APOLOGIZING to Ron Paul supporters for the massive Republican defeat and BLAMING YOURSELVES.


Obama WANTED Romney to be nominated, he had been preparing for Romney for over a year, he KNEW he could easily beat him.
Obama didn't put out any meaningful Romney attack ads prior to Tampa.
He didn't want to stop the Republicans from nominating Romney.



If you think I am being crazy by saying that Ron Paul WOULD definitely have beaten Obama, as you no doubt will.
You should read these two articles.
http://ian56.blogspot.co.uk/2012/02/ron-pauls-case-for-nominee.html
http://ian56.blogspot.co.uk/2012/02/why-only-ron-paul-can-beat-obama.html








Update 12/22
Remember this post when 2016 comes around. Independent voters don't like reckless spending warmongering neocons. George Bush went out with a 34% approval rating. 70% of Romneys advisers were ex Bush staffers. If the Republican party put up another reckless spending neocon in 2016 they will lose again. A reckless spending neocon cannot accuse a Democrat of being a reckless spender with any credibility. Don't get conned again, when the Republican Establishment try to nominate another neocon, as they surely will.

[Warren DeMontague]

35. Ron Paul is a bat-shit loonbag asshat.

Fuck Ron Paul.