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pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
Fri Dec 21, 2012, 03:29 PM Dec 2012

Armed guards at schools? Columbine High had one -- on duty.

The idea that a single armed guard would have prevented Sandy Hook is just wishful thinking, with no historical basis.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2012/12/21/security-guards-in-school-scared-students-unclear-effect-on-crime/

"It’s worth noting that Columbine High School had an armed “community resource officer” on duty the day that two students shot 12 of their peers and one teacher. So armed security guards can’t stop every tragedy."


Edit to Add: TheOther95Percent just gave some important links. In the Columbine tragedy, they were investigating whether the on-campus deputy had accidentally killed one of the students.


http://extras.denverpost.com/news/col1123b.htm

The Jefferson County sheriff's deputy who traded gunshots with Eric Harris in the opening moments of the Columbine massacre was not wearing his prescription eyeglasses, according to records unsealed this week.



http://m.rockymountainnews.com/news/2001/nov/10/deputy-fired-into-columbine-library/

Among hundreds of pages of Columbine documents released in recent months were ballistics reports that may spark new questions in a pending lawsuit and may be used to challenge statements made by the first deputy on the scene of the April 20, 1999, tragedy.

At issue are documents showing that Neil Gardner, the Jefferson County sheriff's deputy assigned to Columbine High in 1999, fired three shots into the school's library from his position next to a Chevrolet Blazer in the student parking lot.

The findings contradict both Gardner's statement to investigators and the official report on the Columbine killings. And they are being examined by the family of Daniel Rohrbough, who contend that an as-yet-unnamed deputy -- not gunmen Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold -- killed the boy.

"There's no question that his firing into the library and then telling a different story is very disturbing," said Brian Rohrbough, the boy's father. "I believe the sheriff's department has been running a cover-up since the day the shootings happened, and I don't believe there's any accident or mistake in the amount of misinformation that they've stated in their report."

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Armed guards at schools? Columbine High had one -- on duty. (Original Post) pnwmom Dec 2012 OP
Remember the guy who shot up the Capitol, that same year? Recursion Dec 2012 #1
WHOAH! Really? tblue Dec 2012 #2
I just posted a thread similar to yours..... Maine-ah Dec 2012 #3
I haven't heard about the armed guard before. ZombieHorde Dec 2012 #4
Here's CNN story... progressoid Dec 2012 #5
Thanks for the link! nt ZombieHorde Dec 2012 #6
I'm picturing my Catholic grade school principal packing heat. TheOther95Percent Dec 2012 #7
Wow. This should open people's eyes. pnwmom Dec 2012 #9
You're very welcome. TheOther95Percent Dec 2012 #12
"...can't stop every tragedy." RedCappedBandit Dec 2012 #8
It would probably be more accurate to say: "has never stopped any school tragedy." pnwmom Dec 2012 #11
Then that's what should be said RedCappedBandit Dec 2012 #13
armed guards are for prisons not schools n/t kydo Dec 2012 #10

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
1. Remember the guy who shot up the Capitol, that same year?
Fri Dec 21, 2012, 03:33 PM
Dec 2012

Armed guards and metal detectors were in both places. There's unfortunately little that security can do to stop a single, given, determined person.

tblue

(16,350 posts)
2. WHOAH! Really?
Fri Dec 21, 2012, 03:34 PM
Dec 2012

I teach K-2 and I don't want my coworkers packing heat. We are all human and students can be provocative as well as extremely clever. If an armed guard was there, I wonder what could guarantee they are to be trusted day in and day out. Gives me the creeps. We all suffer trauma and stress in our lifetimes. I hadn't heard this little fact about Columbine. Thanks for sharing!

Maine-ah

(9,902 posts)
3. I just posted a thread similar to yours.....
Fri Dec 21, 2012, 03:37 PM
Dec 2012

and self deleted - didn't want to clog up DU more than it is already.


The only upside to the NRA's "news conference" is that they may have actually shot themselves in the foot.

ZombieHorde

(29,047 posts)
4. I haven't heard about the armed guard before.
Fri Dec 21, 2012, 03:47 PM
Dec 2012

I wonder what he did during the attack. I may have to look into that.

TheOther95Percent

(1,035 posts)
7. I'm picturing my Catholic grade school principal packing heat.
Fri Dec 21, 2012, 04:47 PM
Dec 2012

Sister Mary Rambo. It's not a pretty picture.

Back to the topic, I believe the deputy traded shots with one of the Columbine killers. Missed him. But he may have killed one of the students.

http://extras.denverpost.com/news/col1123b.htm

The Jefferson County sheriff's deputy who traded gunshots with Eric Harris in the opening moments of the Columbine massacre was not wearing his prescription eyeglasses, according to records unsealed this week.



http://m.rockymountainnews.com/news/2001/nov/10/deputy-fired-into-columbine-library/

Among hundreds of pages of Columbine documents released in recent months were ballistics reports that may spark new questions in a pending lawsuit and may be used to challenge statements made by the first deputy on the scene of the April 20, 1999, tragedy.

At issue are documents showing that Neil Gardner, the Jefferson County sheriff's deputy assigned to Columbine High in 1999, fired three shots into the school's library from his position next to a Chevrolet Blazer in the student parking lot.

The findings contradict both Gardner's statement to investigators and the official report on the Columbine killings. And they are being examined by the family of Daniel Rohrbough, who contend that an as-yet-unnamed deputy -- not gunmen Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold -- killed the boy.

"There's no question that his firing into the library and then telling a different story is very disturbing," said Brian Rohrbough, the boy's father. "I believe the sheriff's department has been running a cover-up since the day the shootings happened, and I don't believe there's any accident or mistake in the amount of misinformation that they've stated in their report."

RedCappedBandit

(5,514 posts)
8. "...can't stop every tragedy."
Fri Dec 21, 2012, 04:51 PM
Dec 2012

I don't care what point a person is trying to argue. When you use lines like this, you lose credibility.

Frustrates me when gun-nuts point out that greater regulation won't prevent *all* crime as if that's a valid argument, and it frustrates me here too.

That said, armed guards in every school? Please, we can't even pay for fucking text books.

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
11. It would probably be more accurate to say: "has never stopped any school tragedy."
Fri Dec 21, 2012, 05:22 PM
Dec 2012

Can you find an instance where an armed security person saved lives in a school? About a third of schools have them now.

RedCappedBandit

(5,514 posts)
13. Then that's what should be said
Fri Dec 21, 2012, 09:56 PM
Dec 2012

My point is that saying things like 'such and such wont work 100% of the time' is a meaningless argument.

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