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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsArmed guards at schools? Columbine High had one -- on duty.
The idea that a single armed guard would have prevented Sandy Hook is just wishful thinking, with no historical basis.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2012/12/21/security-guards-in-school-scared-students-unclear-effect-on-crime/
"Its worth noting that Columbine High School had an armed community resource officer on duty the day that two students shot 12 of their peers and one teacher. So armed security guards cant stop every tragedy."
Edit to Add: TheOther95Percent just gave some important links. In the Columbine tragedy, they were investigating whether the on-campus deputy had accidentally killed one of the students.
http://extras.denverpost.com/news/col1123b.htm
The Jefferson County sheriff's deputy who traded gunshots with Eric Harris in the opening moments of the Columbine massacre was not wearing his prescription eyeglasses, according to records unsealed this week.
http://m.rockymountainnews.com/news/2001/nov/10/deputy-fired-into-columbine-library/
Among hundreds of pages of Columbine documents released in recent months were ballistics reports that may spark new questions in a pending lawsuit and may be used to challenge statements made by the first deputy on the scene of the April 20, 1999, tragedy.
At issue are documents showing that Neil Gardner, the Jefferson County sheriff's deputy assigned to Columbine High in 1999, fired three shots into the school's library from his position next to a Chevrolet Blazer in the student parking lot.
The findings contradict both Gardner's statement to investigators and the official report on the Columbine killings. And they are being examined by the family of Daniel Rohrbough, who contend that an as-yet-unnamed deputy -- not gunmen Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold -- killed the boy.
"There's no question that his firing into the library and then telling a different story is very disturbing," said Brian Rohrbough, the boy's father. "I believe the sheriff's department has been running a cover-up since the day the shootings happened, and I don't believe there's any accident or mistake in the amount of misinformation that they've stated in their report."
Recursion
(56,582 posts)Armed guards and metal detectors were in both places. There's unfortunately little that security can do to stop a single, given, determined person.
tblue
(16,350 posts)I teach K-2 and I don't want my coworkers packing heat. We are all human and students can be provocative as well as extremely clever. If an armed guard was there, I wonder what could guarantee they are to be trusted day in and day out. Gives me the creeps. We all suffer trauma and stress in our lifetimes. I hadn't heard this little fact about Columbine. Thanks for sharing!
Maine-ah
(9,902 posts)and self deleted - didn't want to clog up DU more than it is already.
The only upside to the NRA's "news conference" is that they may have actually shot themselves in the foot.
ZombieHorde
(29,047 posts)I wonder what he did during the attack. I may have to look into that.
progressoid
(49,988 posts)ZombieHorde
(29,047 posts)TheOther95Percent
(1,035 posts)Sister Mary Rambo. It's not a pretty picture.
Back to the topic, I believe the deputy traded shots with one of the Columbine killers. Missed him. But he may have killed one of the students.
http://extras.denverpost.com/news/col1123b.htm
The Jefferson County sheriff's deputy who traded gunshots with Eric Harris in the opening moments of the Columbine massacre was not wearing his prescription eyeglasses, according to records unsealed this week.
http://m.rockymountainnews.com/news/2001/nov/10/deputy-fired-into-columbine-library/
Among hundreds of pages of Columbine documents released in recent months were ballistics reports that may spark new questions in a pending lawsuit and may be used to challenge statements made by the first deputy on the scene of the April 20, 1999, tragedy.
At issue are documents showing that Neil Gardner, the Jefferson County sheriff's deputy assigned to Columbine High in 1999, fired three shots into the school's library from his position next to a Chevrolet Blazer in the student parking lot.
The findings contradict both Gardner's statement to investigators and the official report on the Columbine killings. And they are being examined by the family of Daniel Rohrbough, who contend that an as-yet-unnamed deputy -- not gunmen Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold -- killed the boy.
"There's no question that his firing into the library and then telling a different story is very disturbing," said Brian Rohrbough, the boy's father. "I believe the sheriff's department has been running a cover-up since the day the shootings happened, and I don't believe there's any accident or mistake in the amount of misinformation that they've stated in their report."
pnwmom
(108,977 posts)I'm going to add this to my OP. Thanks, TheOther95Percent!
TheOther95Percent
(1,035 posts)RedCappedBandit
(5,514 posts)I don't care what point a person is trying to argue. When you use lines like this, you lose credibility.
Frustrates me when gun-nuts point out that greater regulation won't prevent *all* crime as if that's a valid argument, and it frustrates me here too.
That said, armed guards in every school? Please, we can't even pay for fucking text books.
pnwmom
(108,977 posts)Can you find an instance where an armed security person saved lives in a school? About a third of schools have them now.
RedCappedBandit
(5,514 posts)My point is that saying things like 'such and such wont work 100% of the time' is a meaningless argument.