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Sun Dec 16, 2012, 08:45 PM

HOLY SHIT! OBAMA IS GOING THERE

He is calling them out! It takes a Village Theme!

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Reply HOLY SHIT! OBAMA IS GOING THERE (Original post)
rufus dog Dec 2012 OP
still_one Dec 2012 #1
Iggy Dec 2012 #70
still_one Dec 2012 #75
Iggy Dec 2012 #78
daybranch Dec 2012 #93
loudsue Dec 2012 #156
Iggy Dec 2012 #162
brush Dec 2012 #143
Maraya1969 Dec 2012 #151
Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2012 #92
R. Daneel Olivaw Dec 2012 #140
lunatica Dec 2012 #148
Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2012 #157
Ineeda Dec 2012 #145
magical thyme Dec 2012 #160
Hissyspit Dec 2012 #89
BucChic Dec 2012 #2
The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2012 #3
malaise Dec 2012 #4
rbrnmw Dec 2012 #5
banned from Kos Dec 2012 #6
cynatnite Dec 2012 #12
The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2012 #13
backscatter712 Dec 2012 #76
ReRe Dec 2012 #108
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still_one Dec 2012 #15
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msanthrope Dec 2012 #22
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morningfog Dec 2012 #31
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R. Daneel Olivaw Dec 2012 #142
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Response to rufus dog (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 08:46 PM

1. yes, he is going to be head on against the weapons

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Response to still_one (Reply #1)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:17 PM

70. And... So What??

 

Again, the POTUS doesn't craft and fund legislation.

That would be the job of the deadbeats in Congress.

Not long ago, it took them what? 15 months just to pass a transportation bill which a few years ago took 4-5 weeks?

Please wake up to the fact Congress is a huge problem; they are more or less worthless.

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Response to Iggy (Reply #70)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:20 PM

75. I know it takes congress, but this is the first time in a long that a president is backing it. It

Starts somewhere

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Response to still_one (Reply #75)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:23 PM

78. And These Things Have a Way of

 

ending prematurely as well.. because congress does not care.

Congress has to be MADE to care again-- and that's going to take a helluva lot of work.

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Response to Iggy (Reply #78)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:40 PM

93. make them more accountable to us not to big money

by getting rid of gerrymandering.

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Response to daybranch (Reply #93)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 12:14 PM

156. That is the whole key, daybranch. Actually, getting the corporate & foreign money out of elections

is the place to start, then gerrymandering will start to turn itself around some.

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Response to loudsue (Reply #156)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 07:50 PM

162. Unfortunately that horse left the barn long ago

 

The SCOTUS has already ruled on this; campaign contributions are "free speech", remember?

we're not getting the money out of elections-- forget it.

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Response to still_one (Reply #75)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 12:32 AM

143. Defining moment

Last edited Mon Dec 17, 2012, 08:34 AM - Edit history (1)

This could be even more of a "big fucking deal", as Joe Biden would say, if the President is able to get effective gun control legislation passed, even more than the Affordable Care Act. Let's back him up all the way. The country needs this.

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Response to brush (Reply #143)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 08:25 AM

151. That's right. Aren't there laws on the books that aren't being implemented? Maybe

he can just issue an official order that certain laws must take effect.

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Response to Iggy (Reply #70)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:40 PM

92. Actually, the President CAN craft a Bill....

However it will take a rampage at a yacht club before Republicans give a shit.

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Response to Spitfire of ATJ (Reply #92)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 12:19 AM

140. If you replace yacht club with House of Representatives


then the Republicans will truly give a shit.

And, I in no way am advocating violence against any persons living or dead.

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Response to R. Daneel Olivaw (Reply #140)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 07:08 AM

148. Government buildings in Washington DC have the best security there is

Funny how the people who can pass legislation to make our schools safer won't even though they themselves are probably the most protected people on the planet while they're at work.

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Response to R. Daneel Olivaw (Reply #140)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 01:31 PM

157. I really expect some Tea Party jerk wanting to pack heat on the House Floor.

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Response to Spitfire of ATJ (Reply #92)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 06:28 AM

145. Or at a maternity clinic where only

the fetuses are killed. Everyone else dying is just fine and dandy. BTW, I try very hard in my life not to hate anyone, never mind an entire group. I'm failing when it come to those assholes.

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Response to Iggy (Reply #70)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 06:08 PM

160. He had a list of actions taken that could be implemented by executive order

but chose not to do them due to the upcoming election campaign.

Nothing that I know of can stophim from dusting them off and executing the orders.

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Response to rufus dog (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 08:47 PM

2. My thoughts exactly

GOOD FOR HIM!!!

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Response to rufus dog (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 08:48 PM

3. Looks like it.

"We can't tolerate this any more."

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Response to rufus dog (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 08:48 PM

4. The answer is no

We are not doing enough for our children.

The fourth time - an endless series of deadly shootings
We can't tolerate them anymore and to end them we must change.
Yes Obama !!!

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Response to rufus dog (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 08:48 PM

5. Tell it like it is

Mr President

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Response to rufus dog (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 08:48 PM

6. No way. (I am not watching by the way)

 

President Obama is way too smart to politicize a tragedy like this one.

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Response to banned from Kos (Reply #6)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 08:49 PM

12. He's talking about protecting our children and preventing more tragedies like this. n/t

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Response to banned from Kos (Reply #6)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 08:49 PM

13. It's about damn time it was "politicized."

Because politics is how it gets done.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #13)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:21 PM

76. Couldn't have said it better myself.

When people howl about "politization", they're talking about exploiting some event for selfish purposes.

But it's perfectly legitimate to get political, even right after a tragedy, to push for action to prevent future tragedies.

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Response to backscatter712 (Reply #76)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 10:16 PM

108. Yeah...that's a dead give-away...

...when they holler "politicization". Another good one is "class warfare." Or "how you gonna' pay for it?"(when Republicons' have never balanced a budget in their lives.)

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #13)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 10:53 PM

123. I was SO proud of him! SO PROUD!!! I was SO PROUD that he is my President.

He is OUR President. He may well go down in history as one of our greatest. His years have been marked by a lot of history-making. This was IMPRESSIVE!!!! And courageous as hell!

First thing I thought was - MAN did I get my money's worth out of that last election!

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Response to banned from Kos (Reply #6)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 08:49 PM

15. This is not politicizing, this is to stop the violence

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Response to banned from Kos (Reply #6)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 08:50 PM

20. It's about the violence

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Response to banned from Kos (Reply #6)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 08:50 PM

21. He's saying we can't keep letting people be killed senselessly

as a price of freedom. Good for him for standing strong. Because this endless killing is too much.

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Response to banned from Kos (Reply #6)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 08:51 PM

22. He's not politicizing it--he's telling us we must do better for our kids. nt

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Response to banned from Kos (Reply #6)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 08:51 PM

24. "Politicize???" I don't see saving lives with common sense gun control policies as political.

But that's just me.

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Response to banned from Kos (Reply #6)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 08:51 PM

26. It *is* already politicized. Duh. nt

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Response to banned from Kos (Reply #6)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 08:52 PM

29. Obama is correct to do this. He is a HERO to do this.

You and your gun nut friends can go suck an egg. Go sell your NRA talking points elsewhere.

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Response to banned from Kos (Reply #6)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 08:52 PM

30. He's not politicizing....

He's telling THE TRUTH in the most gentle, eloquent way imaginable. You can't just mourn and pray and have a moment of silence. You have to acknowledge our mistakes, what we have learned and what we are going to do different. If that involves politics...oh well...

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Response to RichGirl (Reply #30)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 08:55 PM

34. Very well done, Mr. President. I am very proud of you tonight.

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Response to banned from Kos (Reply #6)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 08:53 PM

31. This is a supremely political event.

Damn all who want to ignore it.

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Response to morningfog (Reply #31)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:03 PM

49. All that God talk might soften

up some right wingers like my dad.

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Response to morningfog (Reply #31)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:06 PM

57. Yes I agree

Political posturing by the right wing who want to claim that everything is part of some Obama conspiracy to come after you or have the government come after you and take all your freedom away...

That politicizing is all I see.

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Response to morningfog (Reply #31)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 10:03 PM

99. I'm not ignoring the fact that it's political....

I agree! And the only thing is, the Republicons' won't dare vote against a bill that addresses this situation. And if they do, it's "Bye-Bye" Republicons' in 2014!
Bring it on, Feinstein and PO!

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Response to banned from Kos (Reply #6)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:01 PM

47. He's way smarter than you

He's going to do exactly what is needed: seize the opportunity to address a public health crisis created by the gun manufacturers and their sucker flunkies: he's going to destroy the gun culture that has visited so many senseless massacres upon us, and there's not a damn thing you can do about it.

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Response to alcibiades_mystery (Reply #47)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:31 PM

85. a positive use of the shock doctrine principle

if ya think about it

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Response to alcibiades_mystery (Reply #47)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:33 PM

87. Wow. And how is he going to do all this?

 

Single-handedly, he is going to destroy gun-culture, which is as deeply ingrained in America as anything can possibly be?

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Response to UndahCovah (Reply #87)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 10:09 PM

103. Huh? Destroy the gun culture?

He's "UnAmerican", is he?

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Response to ReRe (Reply #103)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 10:15 PM

107. I was responding to post #47

 

The poster of #47 says that Obama is going to destroy gun-culture in America. I don't see that as being very likely...One man, four years, destroying a culture that has existed since before American independence?

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Response to UndahCovah (Reply #107)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 10:35 PM

117. Pardonome, por favor

Seriously, I'm sorry I got the wrong guy. It's helps to address your reply to the right person, huh? Again, sorry...

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Response to UndahCovah (Reply #87)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 11:29 PM

136. It will take generations, like it did with cigarette smoking.

Each gun-owning American that can be convinced, not by scorn and ridicule but by logic and reason, to give up their high capacity magazines and to secure their weapons will be a victory.

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Response to banned from Kos (Reply #6)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:04 PM

53. it's the NRA who politicized guns

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Response to banned from Kos (Reply #6)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:06 PM

55. Hopefully in the near future you'll be "banned from DU"... n/t

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Response to banned from Kos (Reply #6)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:06 PM

56. That has to be your best post yet.

What a work.

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Response to banned from Kos (Reply #6)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:12 PM

64. What? Do you think politics is a sport?

These things are what it's for.

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Response to banned from Kos (Reply #6)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:18 PM

73. What a bizarro thing to say. nt

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Response to banned from Kos (Reply #6)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:27 PM

83. Oh, mah smellin' salts!

We can't have POLITICs that relate to mass child slaughter now, can we? Ahh mean, whad would the naaaybahs say?

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Response to banned from Kos (Reply #6)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:28 PM

84. Politicize?

No, how you have responded is politicization.

How he has responded is common sense.

Daily Kos is calling you.

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Response to banned from Kos (Reply #6)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:31 PM

86. So what do you think should be done about gun violence in the USA?

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Response to banned from Kos (Reply #6)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:52 PM

96. /facepalm n/t

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Response to banned from Kos (Reply #6)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 10:38 PM

119. He didn't politicize it

He made the problems clear and stated that he will take power to take action.

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Response to banned from Kos (Reply #6)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 11:00 PM

129. Nobody is politicizing the tragedy

 

Except repigs & NRA parrots.

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Response to banned from Kos (Reply #6)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 11:06 PM

132. Lovely NRA talking point.

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Response to banned from Kos (Reply #6)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 12:24 AM

141. Could you explain that statement a little more in depth?


I watched the President's speech, and what was clear was that he as the leader of this nation was responding to this tragedy instead of hiding from it: apparently like some posters on DU.

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Response to banned from Kos (Reply #6)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 08:48 AM

153. The NRA thanks you for repeating their talking points

After all, why would a politician use politics?

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Response to banned from Kos (Reply #6)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 09:01 AM

154. You should have watched before you commented

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Response to banned from Kos (Reply #6)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 06:14 PM

161. thank you for that nonsense red herring RW talking point

They wasted no time politicizing this event -- and all its predecessor events -- by accusing the other side of trying to politicize it.

Gun control is about preventing violence. Acts of violence are the entire reason gun control exists. Therefore, when acts of violence occur, the discussion comes to the fore.

And politics is how Congress decides what action is appropriate in response to a societal need or crisis.

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Response to rufus dog (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 08:48 PM

7. In the first pages of...

Hillary Clinton's book "It take a Village" she says that having a child is like having your heart outside of yor body. I've quoted that many times.

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Response to RichGirl (Reply #7)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:38 PM

91. Here's to Hillary for giving him that...

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Response to rufus dog (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 08:49 PM

8. Yep - good for the President. Meaningful gun control is coming, NRA shills - get over it. n/t.

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Response to apocalypsehow (Reply #8)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 10:14 PM

106. What do you mean by meaningful? n/t

 

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Response to ComplimentarySwine (Reply #106)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 10:28 PM

115. Mandatory background checks for all, mandatory waiting periods for all...

banning the gun show loophole, banning the sale of assault weapons.

All reasonable, meaningful measures.

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Response to blogslut (Reply #115)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 10:48 PM

121. I'm not so sure about the assault weapons.

 

From what I remember during the last assault weapon ban, the guns being sold weren't much different than the guns that were banned. They didn't have a flash hider or bayonet lug, and they didn't have an adjustable stock, but other than that, they seemed pretty functionally identical.

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Response to ComplimentarySwine (Reply #121)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 10:57 PM

126. Well, I was writing extemporaneously.

I am not a gun person.

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Response to blogslut (Reply #115)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 11:32 PM

137. They're reasonable, but they would not have stopped this tragedy. We need to get all

high capacity magazines out of the hands of civilians. 5 rounds should be enough for hunting or home defense.

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Response to rufus dog (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 08:49 PM

9. "We can't tolerate this anymore. These tragedies must end. And to end them we must change." eom

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Response to rufus dog (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 08:49 PM

10. He is

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Response to rufus dog (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 08:49 PM

11. Well he should.

 

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Response to rufus dog (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 08:49 PM

14. He is! I'm so proud of my president. Such a good and humane man.

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Response to rufus dog (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 08:49 PM

16. thank god.

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Response to rufus dog (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 08:50 PM

17. He is going all out.

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Response to rufus dog (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 08:50 PM

18. We can't solve all violence, but we can take some steps.

(paraphrase)

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Response to rufus dog (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 08:50 PM

19. That is the man I voted for! nt

 

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Response to Comrade_McKenzie (Reply #19)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 08:56 PM

35. That is the man I voted for.

I love this man. Yes, he did go there and I am so proud of him.

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Response to rufus dog (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 08:51 PM

23. MORAL COURAGE AND CLARITY

Yes indeed.

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Response to rufus dog (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 08:51 PM

25. I was wondering if

He was gonna go there. He did, expect a rush on guns & ammo in the coming weeks.

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Response to Separation (Reply #25)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 08:54 PM

32. Oh FFS, it's a gun rush in the US 24/7/365 and HAS BEEN FOR DECADES.

Too bad. We the People are coming for your assault weapons and giant clips.

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Response to kestrel91316 (Reply #32)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 10:20 PM

111. That sounds dangerous

 

If only .01% of gun owners put up a fight, I imagine that there will be blood shed. BTW, I think you meant "magazines" instead of "clips". Don't worry, it's a common mistake to make. Most clips that I'm aware of only hold 8 or 10 rounds or so, as opposed to magazines which are commonly available to hold 30 rounds.

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Response to ComplimentarySwine (Reply #111)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 12:03 AM

139. Time for blood to be shed protecting citizens from gun nuts.

I'm tired of all of us cowering in fear of you people.

If we have to risk dying to end gun nuttery, count me in.

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Response to kestrel91316 (Reply #32)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 10:57 PM

125. Are you talking to me?

Your gonna be pretty disappointed when you come crashing through my door and don't find any.

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Response to Separation (Reply #25)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 08:54 PM

33. It already started, guns shops near me, were overflowed with customers...there were lines outside

the door

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Response to HipChick (Reply #33)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:14 PM

66. where are you

what state

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Response to riverbendviewgal (Reply #66)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 10:02 PM

98. all of them

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Response to JHB (Reply #98)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 10:45 PM

120. I am thankful I live in Canada

what you said scares the heck out of me.

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Response to HipChick (Reply #33)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 10:58 PM

127. I saw a new story on TV, and the gun shops are doing a gang buster business the last few days.

 

Just great, if 300,000,000 guns for 311.6 million people won't stop the gun violence, what is a few hundred thousand more guns on the streets going to do? That's right, make the situation just that much worse. How stupid can people get? No need to answer that, the news story itself answered that question. "...the gun shops are doing a gang buster business the last few days."

Get ready for the "Obama s gonna take yer guns away campaign", brought to you by your NRA.

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Response to Separation (Reply #25)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 08:56 PM

38. It's already happening . . .

. . . Obama's gonna git yer guns, doncha know.

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Response to tilsammans (Reply #38)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:15 PM

68. So let's go spend lots of money on guns the govt. will confiscate . . .

Unless they're buried, beneath a secret rock, in the woods behind Russell's old room . . .

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Response to Separation (Reply #25)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:00 PM

44. If one believes that the government is gonna take their guns away....lol...

why buy more guns?

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Response to SammyWinstonJack (Reply #44)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 10:16 PM

109. Because it seems far more likely...

 

...that instead of confiscating them door to door (which I imagine will result in several little Wacos all around the country), they will probably try to prohibit manufacturing and sales.

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Response to Separation (Reply #25)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 10:54 PM

124. WHatever. There was a rush on guns and ammo after the election too.

See, the paranoid break from reality that connects every event with "must arm self" is the problem.

At least this time it hopefully will be warranted. Maybe it will be the LAST rush before sanity returns. However, I predict that despite gunloon howling at the moon what comes out will be common sense and will not needlessly abridge rights that don't deal with public safety.

But thanks for re-emphasizing that the real problem is the gun owners and their nonlinear reactions, not the guns themselves.

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Response to rufus dog (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 08:52 PM

27. He will need each and every one of us to back him. And I mean everywhere.

We cannot let darkness win. We cannot let violence, even our own, rule us.

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Response to nolabear (Reply #27)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 08:56 PM

37. +10000000000000

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Response to nolabear (Reply #27)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:00 PM

45. + zillions and zillions nt

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Response to nolabear (Reply #27)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:08 PM

59. I agree, perfect timing for a

March in D.C. to show solidarity and support for our President to end this violence once and for all...

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Response to humbled_opinion (Reply #59)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:36 PM

90. How about the weekend before the inauguration?

Not the 19th and 20th---too many "attendees" in town. But, the 12th and 13th would be close enough and would give the media enough time to editorialize about it.


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Response to nolabear (Reply #27)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:24 PM

79. Well said. I join you. n/t

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Response to nolabear (Reply #27)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 10:26 PM

114. +quadrillion of billions

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Response to rufus dog (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 08:52 PM

28. I am waiting.....

tap tap tap my foot, arms crossed.....

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Response to glinda (Reply #28)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 08:59 PM

43. What are you waiting for? It our move now. nt

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Response to Walk away (Reply #43)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:44 PM

94. How do you figure.

Unless something changes and the people voted in actually do something. You must remember that over 30-some States are against more gun control basically or interference with their 2nd amendment rights..

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Response to rufus dog (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 08:56 PM

36. Amazingly enough, I have no idea what you're talking about!

Would it hurt to provide some specifics?

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #36)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 08:58 PM

41. "we can't tolerate this anymore" n/t

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Response to rufus dog (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 08:58 PM

39. He did an outstanding job! OUTSTANDING!! Now we must do our part and support him and Congress

members like Dianne Feinstein who want to renew the ban on assault weapons, as well as, move to pass tougher gun control laws.

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Response to Liberal_Stalwart71 (Reply #39)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:04 PM

50. YES, he did!

OMG, I couldn't believe he went there.

I am sooooo incredibly proud of this man!

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Response to rufus dog (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 08:58 PM

40. That was a great speech.

I can't help but think how if Mitt Romney were elected how he would've handled this tragedy.

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Response to Initech (Reply #40)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:16 PM

69. Even if he won, he probably wouldn't have spoken tonight

Obama would still be president right now.

But I am very very glad that Obama will be president for another 4 years.

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Response to rufus dog (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 08:59 PM

42. Oh good good good. Thank you for telling us. I couldn't watch.

I didn't want my son to be afraid. Thanks for watching for me.

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Response to rufus dog (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:00 PM

46. he not only went there

he kicked in the door
and slapped the NRA in the face

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Response to rufus dog (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:01 PM

48. I was holding my breath...

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Response to rufus dog (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:04 PM

51. K&R nt

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Response to rufus dog (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:04 PM

52. What did he say?

I was on the phone and missed it! Can someone fill me in?

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Response to democrattotheend (Reply #52)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:08 PM

58. Go online and watch it, or turn on CNN

I was shocked!

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Response to democrattotheend (Reply #52)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:36 PM

88. here`s part of it

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Response to rufus dog (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:05 PM

54. He said....

A society is judged by how it treats it's children.

Wow....I guess we have to stop saying WE ARE THE BEST COUNTRY IN THE WHOLE UNIVERSE. We aren't...not even close. And if we have to put armed guards in schools...as some suggest...we are truly pathetic.

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Response to RichGirl (Reply #54)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 10:24 PM

112. What would be truly pathetic about armed guards for our children?

 

The president gets to have armed guards for his children. If only those children in Connecticut were able to have even a fraction of that level of protection, I imagine that many, if not all, of them would still be with us today.

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Response to ComplimentarySwine (Reply #112)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 11:01 PM

130. 'The president gets to have armed guards for his children'

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Response to ComplimentarySwine (Reply #112)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 06:47 AM

146. Do you have some medical or mental condition

we should be aware of? Your posts are vile. You obviously care more about your Precious than a room flooded with a river of blood and the body parts of babies, AGES SIX AND SEVEN, for god's sake

Edit for typo.

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Response to rufus dog (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:08 PM

60. I LOVE second term Obama!

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Response to Vanje (Reply #60)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:10 PM

61. New and improved.

That's for damned sure.

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Response to Vanje (Reply #60)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:20 PM

74. Oh Yeah. He's the Honey Badger. He no longer has to give a shit.

He also said "we have bigger fish to fry than recreational pot smokers".

Hopefully dealing with the easy availability of these crazy assault weapons will be one of those fish.

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Response to Vanje (Reply #60)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 12:27 AM

142. This is still first term Obama.

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Response to R. Daneel Olivaw (Reply #142)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 12:52 AM

144. Oh. Yes. Sure.

But I think he is warming up for a great 2nd term.

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Response to rufus dog (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:10 PM

62. Obama has isolated the NRA and left them hanging

Their talking points are empty and hollow when set next to this speech

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Response to Teamster Jeff (Reply #62)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:12 PM

63. Wonder if they'll reactivate their Facebook or twitter accounts to respond?

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Response to rufus dog (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:14 PM

65. You could see his grief and anger


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Response to rufus dog (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:15 PM

67. yes! it is time!

- time to get assault weapons off the streets and out of people's homes - and out of the hands of felons, persons with mental instabilities and awaaaay from children. and this is only the beginning to addressing the issues of violence in our communities.

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Response to hopemountain (Reply #67)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 08:19 PM

163. Welcome to DU, hopemountain!

Glad you're here! It is indeed time. Call them what they are - weapons of mass destruction. Call their use domestic terrorism. I mean - how does it make you feel, to think about how many people in any given group - might be packing heat? I think about that every time my kid's band goes out on the road. In any average show, in any average crowd, maybe one in ten, on average, might be carrying a gun into that venue? What happens when something suddenly spins out of control?

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Response to rufus dog (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:17 PM

71. It was also obvious

from the look on his face that this had better not happen again, and that he never wants to be speaking at another event like this. He shed a tear or two and was visibly upset by the end of it all, especially when he read aloud the names of 20 children at the end.

And recall that he receives multiple death threats each and every day from the RW violence-mongers... it's not like he doesn't have a clue. He looks ten years older than he did four years ago and that would be one of the primary reasons why.

We need to back him, he has just put the ball back in our court. What we need to do is lean on our more localized alleged representatives and insist they vote in favor of the assault weapons ban and whatever else is appropriate and don't take any placating BS from them either. Be polite but stand your ground... pun intended.

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Response to rufus dog (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:17 PM

72. We've got a President that "Gets it"

I will never regret voting for this man!! Never!!

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Response to rufus dog (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:22 PM

77. Yes he did and I think he means it from the bottom of his heart!

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Response to rufus dog (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:24 PM

80. The bankers and the people who do their bidding? He will save millions of lives!!! n/t

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Response to rufus dog (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:25 PM

81. The look in his eyes before he even stated to speak told me that!n/t

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Response to rufus dog (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:27 PM

82. i think the american people have had enough...

to many men ,women,and children have been killed in this country by weapons in the wrong hands, background checks are a joke. anyone can buy any amount of weapons at gun shows with the right amount of cash. weapons are sold to gangs across the country by people who make a living selling death on the streets across the country.

thank god for the american people who voted for a president that feels for the children in this country.

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Response to rufus dog (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:50 PM

95. The NRA needs to join the KKK. The hoods are off...Every Gun Registered !!

Yes, we can. Deal with it.

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Response to libdem4life (Reply #95)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 10:04 PM

100. funny you should mentioned the KKK and guns....

My husband told me that one of his friends at poker recently went to a gun show...this guy is liberal...kind of a hippie... and is not an obnoxious gun owner, just has a few because he lives on a farm. Anyhow, right after he purchased a gun at the gun show, a man came up to him and asked if he wanted some KKK literature. He said he just looked at the man and did not know how to respond, so he said something like "uh, no, how do I know you aren't FBI?" Kind of scary...I am sure he didn't want to piss the guy off in cade he followed him into the parking lot, but how he held back from saying what he really wanted to say is beyond me!

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Response to ceejdre82 (Reply #100)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 10:10 PM

104. KKK/Nazi memorabilia is fairly prolific at gun shows

It's not usually in your face, but it's always there, and anyone who says otherwise is either willfully stupid or an outright liar.

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Response to Nevernose (Reply #104)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 10:26 PM

113. Some of us of a certain age and distant memories of the South, remember when George Wallace was

still strutting around. He was kind of the epitome of the shit-kickin' good ol' boys and as I recall, most of them nice folk during the day. It really went underground then. I remember the old grainy black-and-white versions. They say he changed his mind, and I'm willing to grant that perhaps sitting in a wheelchair all those years gave him time to reflect, and perhaps repent.

Shining the light of day more fully on the cultural remnants ... the Preppers and such, will continue to put it away.

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Response to libdem4life (Reply #95)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 10:20 PM

110. Ten years to get a complete "Gun DNA System" up and running

Every single gun produced and sold in this country will have to have a barrel "fingerprint" on file, and be registered. Its course will be traced from manufacture to destruction, just as we do with cars. Scannable (bar code) GINs (Gun identification numbers) on the weapon, and the profile for any bullet fired through it on file in a CODIS-like database controlled by the FBI. Tampering with the barrel to change the profile will be a (federal) felony with mandatory minimums, since the only reason to tamper with the barrel would be to commit a murder - like owning or making a silencer. Nobody gets into a target firing facility without scanning their weapons. Violator facilities subject to immediate shutdown. No grandfathering of currently existing weapons: any entrance to a target firing facility will require a scan; current guns can be registered and given a scannable GIN - at the owner's expense. Owners of current weapons are free not to have them receive a scan, but they will not be able to use those weapons in target firing facilities unless they receive a GIN.

Not a single gun leaves the shopfloor without contributing its barrel markers to the database - and the gun manufacturers are responsible for paying for that system's development. You sell the gun? You transfer the registration, scan the bar code, and it goes in the federal database. Your privacy concerns are irrelevant: fuck you...it's a matter of public health. Every single sale requires background check and waiting period. Any gun can be tracked to its current owner in seconds on nationally connected computers. The gun manufacturers pay for the system to be developed and implemented. Additional taxes on every gun sale pays for maintenance.

And all that is only for the guns allowed to be sold. Many of today's guns will be prohibited.

That's at a minimum.

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Response to alcibiades_mystery (Reply #110)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 10:32 PM

116. This is awesome. No time like the present to start.

The journey of 10,000 miles begins with the first step. Now, about the penalties???

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Response to libdem4life (Reply #95)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 10:52 PM

122. I wonder how many RW nutters belong to both organizations.

I suspect the answer is scary.

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Response to Brigid (Reply #122)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 11:15 PM

133. Probably, but I sense a significant shift with the President's Bully Pulpit Speech

May be it's just my hope, but this speech will go down in history.

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Response to libdem4life (Reply #133)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 11:25 PM

135. I hope so too.

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Response to libdem4life (Reply #95)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 11:38 PM

138. How would registration have prevented this massacre?

I'm not against registration, but any bold action has to have the effect of making these mass killings much more difficult. Registration is actually completely ineffective in stopping crimes, because the police are almost always able to identify the weapons used in crimes.

I would support an immediate ban on the manufacture and possession of any magazine for any weapon with greater than 5 round capacity, and only 2 such magazines may be possessed for any particular weapon.

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Response to rufus dog (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:55 PM

97. I was like whoa - PBO totally and completely went there

and he's not backing down and I have his back. I will do whatever he nees his 23 million strong tweeters to do.

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Response to underthematrix (Reply #97)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 10:13 PM

105. He probably wanted to meet the victims first

To see how they felt before making the service a call to action.

I am with you - if he makes a push for gun control, which I don't see how he can not after tonight, I've got his back too.

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Response to rufus dog (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 10:08 PM

102. a warning

i read it clear as a bell. I believe this was the straw .

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Response to MFM008 (Reply #102)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 10:37 PM

118. I have to believe that this was the straw.....

for millions of Americans. I want to believe that it was the "straw" for the majority of Americans.

I will do whatever this 63-year old woman can possibly do because MY PRESIDENT asked me to.

I am so proud of my two votes for this man. He is the definition of a true man.

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Response to rufus dog (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 10:59 PM

128. Not to be cynical, but no matter what he does, to some, it will never be enough.

I think he's one helluva POTUS, myself.

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Response to MADem (Reply #128)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 07:01 AM

147. And to many, it will be too much.

And I agree -- helluva POTUS, helluva man, helluva human being.

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Response to rufus dog (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 11:04 PM

131. What a great speech.

I was very proud of our president tonight.

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Response to rufus dog (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 11:19 PM

134. Yes, yes he did

Thank you Mr. President.

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Response to rufus dog (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 07:57 AM

149. But don't forget CA senator Diane Feinstein...

who has vowed to revive the Federal assault weapons ban. She's got his back!

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Response to rufus dog (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 08:15 AM

150. He needs to go further:

This weekend should have been an epiphany that indeed we ARE failing our children. On every level.
Health care, safety, education, nutrition, housing, clothing, environmentally .... this should be POTUS' "a ha!" moment to tell the GOP to take their austerity and shove it up their fiscal cliff. He should go all LBJ "Great Society" on them - for all children, not just the white suburban ones - and refuse to back down.

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Response to rufus dog (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 08:30 AM

152. No, *WE* need to go further.... read all about...

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No, WE need to go further....

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Response to rufus dog (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 11:40 AM

155. Now's the time to write to your senators & rep about gun control legislation.

We have to make it more difficult for mentally disturbed people to get guns. If that means it's more difficult for everyone to get guns, then so be it.

Gun advocates argue that 'guns don't kill people, people kill people,' as a defense to keep from strengthening gun laws. However, these same people don't object to being tested to get a drivers licence & having to renew that license periodically. Why don't they argue that cars don't kill people, people kill people? Cars & guns are both are just tools used by people, but both can also be powerful instruments of destruction.

It shouldn't be easier to get & keep a gun than it is to get & keep a drivers license.

Write, email or call TODAY!

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Response to rufus dog (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 01:50 PM

158. Perhaps the politicians in the nation should set better examples? Like stop bombing unarmed people

 

Stop ignoring international law.

Stop acting like bullies around the globe in our war of error.

Stop mindlessly killing innocents wherever we please with drones?

It does take a village, and the rest of humanity is waiting for US to catch up.

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Response to No Compromise (Reply #158)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 04:36 PM

159. If violence is wrong in America, violence is wrong abroad.. Malcolm X

MTE No Compromise. How many children have been killed by drones?

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