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Scuba

(53,475 posts)
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:00 AM Dec 2012

In Public ‘Conversation’ on Guns, a Rhetorical Shift


http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/12/14/in-public-conversation-on-guns-a-rhetorical-shift/


If the news coverage is any guide, there has been a change of tone in recent years in the public conversation about guns. The two-word phrase “gun control” is being used considerably less often than it was 10 or 20 years ago. But the phrase “gun rights” is being used more often. And the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution is being invoked more frequently in the discussion.

In the chart below, I’ve tracked the number of news articles that used the terms “gun control,” “gun rights,” “gun violence” and “Second Amendment” in American newspapers, according to the database NewsLibrary.com. (Because the number of articles in the database changes over time, the figures are normalized to reflect the overall volume of database coverage in any given year, with the numbers representing how often the gun-related phrases were used per 1,000 articles on any subject.)

The usage of all four phrases, but particularly the term “gun control,” has been subject to sharp but temporary shifts based on news events.





In 1993 and 1994, when Congress was debating a ban on assault weapons, the phrase “gun control” was used about three times per 1,000 news articles. Use of the term was even higher after the mass shootings in Columbine, Colo., peaking at 3.7 instances per 1,000 articles in 1999. It reached a low point in 2010, when the term “gun control” was used 0.3 times per 1,000 articles — less than one-tenth as often as in the year after the Columbine shootings.

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In Public ‘Conversation’ on Guns, a Rhetorical Shift (Original Post) Scuba Dec 2012 OP
That's very interesting. K&R myrna minx Dec 2012 #1
Sadly Another Issue Where Minds Are Set Hard... KharmaTrain Dec 2012 #2
That There Is No Middle Ground Is Immaterial - Someone Will Lose Something cantbeserious Dec 2012 #3
"No Middle Ground" and capitalized at that! Care to expound on why there is "No Middle Ground"? Scuba Dec 2012 #4
Articulated In The Body Of The Last Reply cantbeserious Dec 2012 #5
That doesn't describe "No Middle Ground" as it does not imply that all gun owners lose their guns. Scuba Dec 2012 #7
Well Then Let Me Be Clear - All Gun Owners Lose Their Guns - Is That Clear Enough? cantbeserious Dec 2012 #8
So a middle ground would include bans on certain weapons and denial of rights for certain citizens? Scuba Dec 2012 #9
In My World The 2nd Amendment Is Repealed - No Rights Abridged - No Middle Ground cantbeserious Dec 2012 #10
I would prefer the repeal of 2A to our current situation, but ... Scuba Dec 2012 #11
This Liberal Has Had Enough - If You Want To Label My Position As Right Wing Then That Is Your Label cantbeserious Dec 2012 #12
All Cenk says is do something, now. We both agree with that. Scuba Dec 2012 #13
And As I Said - I Would Go Much Farther - Ban All Guns - Repeal The 2nd Amendment cantbeserious Dec 2012 #14
Thanks for clarifying. Scuba Dec 2012 #15
Yes It Is... KharmaTrain Dec 2012 #19
the 'public conversation' is what the media chose to focus on. HiPointDem Dec 2012 #6
"We" are quite literally swimming (drowning?) in a sea of guns and ammunition. GreenEyedLefty Dec 2012 #16
"There's nothing we can do" is a pathetic argument. Scuba Dec 2012 #17
If something is actually done, you are more than welcome to say you told me so. GreenEyedLefty Dec 2012 #18

KharmaTrain

(31,706 posts)
2. Sadly Another Issue Where Minds Are Set Hard...
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:20 AM
Dec 2012

I've avoided the gun debates here as the raw emotions of the events are still playing out, many key facts in this case remain to be addressed and there needs to be time to mourn for those who have suffered from yet another senseless act of violence. While my own personal opinions are with those who favor gun control, the realist and cynic in me knows that finding any common ground on this issue is nearly impossible...even after this incredibly traumatic massacre. Those who want their guns will justify...hide behind a conveluted interpretation of the second ammendment and use the "bad apples" theory. Truth is this country is awash with guns and more people will die...more massacres will happen and the sniping between those who are pro and anti gun will continue as well. Politicians have no backbone to touch this issue or face the wrath of the NRA and in the era of Citizens United...where money speak loudly...the gun lobby is sure to be heard...especially for any attempts to propose even the slightest legislation.

That's the sad and frustrating aspect of this story...and thus I've vented...

cantbeserious

(13,039 posts)
3. That There Is No Middle Ground Is Immaterial - Someone Will Lose Something
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:32 AM
Dec 2012

Either the Gun Owners Will Lose Their Guns or

Society Will Lose More Children.

It truly is that Black and White.

cantbeserious

(13,039 posts)
5. Articulated In The Body Of The Last Reply
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:43 AM
Dec 2012

Either the gun owners lose their guns or

Society loses more children.

It really is that that simple and that stark.

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
7. That doesn't describe "No Middle Ground" as it does not imply that all gun owners lose their guns.
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:47 AM
Dec 2012
 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
9. So a middle ground would include bans on certain weapons and denial of rights for certain citizens?
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 10:14 AM
Dec 2012

Many of us would argue there is a wide middle ground available, and that "No Middle Ground" - especially capitalized - sounds very much like a right-wing argument.

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
11. I would prefer the repeal of 2A to our current situation, but ...
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 10:23 AM
Dec 2012

... don't see that happening. Reasonable limits on firepower and ownership, yes, and without abridging rights.

Your "No Middle Ground" argument still sounds right-wing; most Democrats/liberals/progressives favor negotiation and compromise, not ultimatums.

cantbeserious

(13,039 posts)
12. This Liberal Has Had Enough - If You Want To Label My Position As Right Wing Then That Is Your Label
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 10:29 AM
Dec 2012

Cenk captures my position well and I would go farther than he suggests in the following video.

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KharmaTrain

(31,706 posts)
19. Yes It Is...
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 06:37 PM
Dec 2012

...and the children have always been the losers. If not directly involved in gun violence...then losing a parent or loved one because of one. Sadly, the gun owners can't, won't...and the politicians don't have the "stones" to pass any serious gun control legislation. While the answer is black and white, the solution isn't...

GreenEyedLefty

(2,073 posts)
16. "We" are quite literally swimming (drowning?) in a sea of guns and ammunition.
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 10:53 AM
Dec 2012

Enough to kill all of the world's children many times over.

Alas, it is too late for meaningful gun control legislation. There are just too many weapons, and too many people addicted to them for whom giving them up is unthinkable.

I do not have hard statistics, but I would bet any amount of money that the sales of weapons and ammo went way up in the wake of Friday's disaster. This country has gone mad... not just over guns, but consumption of violence. We are addicted to it. The technological advances of the last 20 years or so have only added to it.

This proliferation of weapons means we must learn to accept the fact that our babies and other innocents will continue to be slaughtered at the altar of "freedom" and the "2nd Amendment." Meanwhile, the 24 hour news orgs are literally falling all over themselves to report on these stories. No doubt they are waiting with bated breath for the next one.

I have three children, one in college, two of whom are school-age. When they ask me if they will be safe at school, the mall or at the movies, I can no longer answer in the affirmative. It's now, "I don't know."

I so, so wish I could suggest an easy answer. We are so sick.

GreenEyedLefty

(2,073 posts)
18. If something is actually done, you are more than welcome to say you told me so.
Sun Dec 16, 2012, 12:04 PM
Dec 2012

I stand by my opinion. The onus for change is on gun owners... until there is a shift in their views on guns and gun ownership, there is nothing we can do.

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