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Fri Dec 14, 2012, 05:03 PM

This Is A Bushmaster .223, One Of The Guns The Sandy Hook Shooter Reportedly Had

The Bushmaster .223 rifle has a tragic legacy that looks to be growing if CNN reports are correct.

The Cable News Network reports that Adam Lanza used three weapons to commit the mass shooting in Connecticut, but the one confirmed assault rifle is a Bushmaster .223.


From CNN:

Three guns were found at the scene, CNN's Susan Candiotti reports. According to a law enforcement source, the third weapon found on the scene was a .223 Bushmaster. The other weapons, previously reported, are a Glock, and a Sig-Sauer. No word on the models of Glock or Sig-Sauer


The Bushmaster was also used in the 2003 Washington, D.C. sniper shootings where 10 people were killed and two people arrested.

That incident resulted in a lawsuit settlement that forced Bushmaster's Windham, Maine facility to close in 2010, but owner Dick Dyke started a new rifle manufacturing company called Windham Weaponry Inc. soon afterward.

http://www.businessinsider.com/cnn-the-connecticut-shooter-used-a-bushmaster-rifle-like-the-dc-snipers-2012-12

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Reply This Is A Bushmaster .223, One Of The Guns The Sandy Hook Shooter Reportedly Had (Original post)
Junkdrawer Dec 2012 OP
jody Dec 2012 #1
nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #8
tblue Dec 2012 #10
jody Dec 2012 #11
LiberalArkie Dec 2012 #13
jody Dec 2012 #15
GoneOffShore Dec 2012 #25
jody Dec 2012 #26
GoneOffShore Dec 2012 #40
jody Dec 2012 #43
GoneOffShore Dec 2012 #48
jody Dec 2012 #49
GoneOffShore Dec 2012 #53
bongbong Dec 2012 #12
Last Stand Dec 2012 #14
bongbong Dec 2012 #27
NeedleCast Dec 2012 #19
underpants Dec 2012 #23
bongbong Dec 2012 #28
LineLineLineLineLineLineReply +
underpants Dec 2012 #31
apocalypsehow Dec 2012 #38
jody Dec 2012 #41
apocalypsehow Dec 2012 #42
jody Dec 2012 #44
apocalypsehow Dec 2012 #45
jody Dec 2012 #46
apocalypsehow Dec 2012 #47
roguevalley Dec 2012 #52
TxVietVet Dec 2012 #2
nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #9
backscatter712 Dec 2012 #29
Robb Dec 2012 #3
Little Star Dec 2012 #4
Jersey Devil Dec 2012 #5
LeftInTX Dec 2012 #7
brentspeak Dec 2012 #18
Jersey Devil Dec 2012 #20
NickB79 Dec 2012 #34
obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #36
msongs Dec 2012 #6
Stinky The Clown Dec 2012 #16
Bucky Dec 2012 #21
Archae Dec 2012 #17
NightWatcher Dec 2012 #22
PoliticalBiker Dec 2012 #24
Zoeisright Dec 2012 #33
Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #37
PoliticalBiker Dec 2012 #39
Ghost in the Machine Dec 2012 #30
lpbk2713 Dec 2012 #32
obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #35
starroute Dec 2012 #50
Dangerman Dec 2012 #51

Response to Junkdrawer (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 05:06 PM

1. Bushmaster .223 rifle is not an assault rifle. It's a semi automatic rifle. nt

 

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Response to jody (Reply #1)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 05:10 PM

8. Semi auto is very accurate

Full auto, not so much.

Time to deal with THAT reality.

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Response to jody (Reply #1)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 05:12 PM

10. And so this is important why?

Just curious as to your point.

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Response to tblue (Reply #10)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 05:15 PM

11. Because assault rifles are tightly regulated under the National Firearms Act of 1934. nt

 

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Response to jody (Reply #11)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 05:23 PM

13. I guess that is why it is so very difficult to buy conversion kits

I searched in Google "bushmaster .223 full auto conversion" and the links went on and on


Bushmaster A3 AR 15 AR15 Full Auto Conversion | eBay
cgi.ebay.com › Buy50 items – Bushmaster A3 AR 15 AR15 Full Auto Conversion. ' Learn more about ... AR556 223 Bolt Extractor pack STAG,DMPS,COLT,RRA,BUSHMASTER,YHM ...

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Response to LiberalArkie (Reply #13)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 05:24 PM

15. Conversion kits to full auto are also tightly controlled under the cited act. nt

 

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Response to jody (Reply #15)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 05:38 PM

25. Why am I not surprised at this post and the ones above?

Just keep doing the nit-pick and waffle.

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Response to GoneOffShore (Reply #25)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 05:44 PM

26. If facts disturb you then stick to your opinions and unsupported assertions. nt

 

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Response to jody (Reply #26)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 06:22 PM

40. Pick, pick, pick.

Justify, justify, justify.

Waffle, waffle, waffle.

It really gets old.

And sad.

But it seems to make you happy.

So, sail on and damn the torpedos - full speed ahead.

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Response to GoneOffShore (Reply #40)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 06:31 PM

43. Apparently you don't care the OP said "confirmed assault rifle" which would have been controlled by

 

the National Firearms Act of 1934.

Since it is not an assault rifle, then it is controlled by 18 USC Chapter 44 - FIREARMS.

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Response to jody (Reply #43)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 06:52 PM

48. Nope - I don't care - because even if the OP had said "confirmed bazooka"

Or "confirmed high powered slingshot" - those kids are dead.

And you continue to freak out over that.

Just goes to show what you're concerned about.

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Response to GoneOffShore (Reply #48)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 06:56 PM

49. I did not post the OP but I did correct a mistake which uninformed people often make. nt

 

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Response to jody (Reply #49)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 11:56 PM

53. Yada, yada.

If you stopped posting bullshit, you wouldn't post at all.

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Response to tblue (Reply #10)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 05:20 PM

12. Delicate Flowers' obsession with gun details

 

You have to understand that Delicate Flowers (gun-lovers) are very obsessive about their Precious.

Secondly, any anti-gun post that contains the SLIGHTEST technical error about their beloved guns "means" the entire anti-gun post is 100% invalid and can be ignored.

These are the kinds of mind games the Delicate Flowers play because they are so terrified of everyday life (the reason they need guns).

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Response to bongbong (Reply #12)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 05:23 PM

14. Keep your foot on THAT Pedal! nt

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Response to Last Stand (Reply #14)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 05:54 PM

27. Delicate Flowers keep their fingers on their triggers

 

I understand how Delicate Flowers are TERRIFIED of life without their Precious.

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Response to bongbong (Reply #12)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 05:26 PM

19. I Know A Lot About Guns

Yet I don't own any.

Do I qualify as a delicate flower?

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Response to bongbong (Reply #12)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 05:33 PM

23. I agree with LAST STAND keep on it

I love the "Delicate Flowers" name.

If you need support on a thread let me know. Love it.

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Response to underpants (Reply #23)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 05:56 PM

28. The flowers that are ever so delicate

 

Tom Tomorrow came up with that. It reflects the fact that no matter how obsequious a pro-gun-control person is when they mention guns to a gun-lover, said gun-lover will take umbrage with the tone.

In the crazy world of Delicate Flowers, guns are the solution to every problem. When a Delicate Flower looks in a mirror, he/she sees Rambo.

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Response to bongbong (Reply #28)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 06:00 PM

31. +



I don't worship guns but I understand some need for them I just don't WORSHIP them which, I think, is the problem with the Delicate Flowers.

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Response to jody (Reply #1)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 06:16 PM

38. You do realize that the "nullification" supported in your sig line was dreamed up by slave owners

to void laws impeding or restricting slavery in pre-Civil War America, don't you?

Not that I expect you really give a shit...

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Response to apocalypsehow (Reply #38)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 06:24 PM

41. Apparently you don't know that the two Resolutions attacked the Alien and Sedition Acts that

 

John Adams signed.

If the Sedition Act were still in force, many people who criticize our president and congress would be in prison.

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien_and_Sedition_Acts

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Response to jody (Reply #41)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 06:27 PM

42. Go right ahead supporting slave-owner tactics in the pre-Civil War South to keep slavery intact:

that's your problem, not mine.

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Response to apocalypsehow (Reply #42)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 06:34 PM

44. You really should study early American history because you have major omissions. You also ignore

 

the most recent acts of nullification by CO and WA that made legal using pot for recreational purposes.

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Response to jody (Reply #44)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 06:38 PM

45. Go right ahead supporting slave-owner tactics in the pre-Civil War South to keep slavery intact:

like Skinner says in the TOS, you take your chances.


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Response to apocalypsehow (Reply #45)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 06:43 PM

46. I see you are unable or unqualified to carry on a civil discussion. Pity you might have had

 

something of value to say.

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Response to jody (Reply #46)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 06:47 PM

47. I don't consider a slaveholder political tactic to maintain slavery to be the kind of thing that

should be "supported" in a DU sig line: it certainly has nothing to do with "civility," or even simple human decency for that matter. But as I said earlier, that's your problem, not mine.


Edit: revise & extended remarks.

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Response to jody (Reply #1)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 09:05 PM

52. it is an assault weapon today because it killed the 28 people it assaulted.

semantics are bs.

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Response to Junkdrawer (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 05:06 PM

2. ANOTHER Glock.

Why am I not surprised?

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Response to TxVietVet (Reply #2)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 05:11 PM

9. Hey they are good

And jam far less.

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Response to TxVietVet (Reply #2)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 05:57 PM

29. I used to own a Glock.

They unfortunately did exactly what they were designed to do today.

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Response to Junkdrawer (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 05:07 PM

3. Great. Let's stop allowing them, please.

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Response to Junkdrawer (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 05:07 PM

4. I read that he had 2 handguns in the school & a rifle in his car...

don't know if that's the rifle or not.

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Response to Junkdrawer (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 05:09 PM

5. I just read the Bushmaster was found in his car

If that story is accurate then he killed all those people with pistols. No, I did not save the link.

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Response to Jersey Devil (Reply #5)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 05:10 PM

7. I read that too.

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Response to brentspeak (Reply #18)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 05:28 PM

20. obviously it will take a while for the facts to be sorted out

All kinds of conflicting "facts" are currently being reported.

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Response to brentspeak (Reply #18)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 06:08 PM

34. I wonder if it's possible he had loose rifle shells in his pockets

And they fell out as he pulled out his handguns inside the school.

Unless he shot up the school with the rifle, went back to the parking lot, secured it in his car, and then went back inside to keep shooting and kill himself with a handgun, which seems much more weird.

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Response to brentspeak (Reply #18)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 06:09 PM

36. They just stated on TV two pistols

A Sig and a Glock. 9mm.

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Response to Junkdrawer (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 05:09 PM

6. gun porn for gun owners. nt

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Response to Junkdrawer (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 05:24 PM

16. GWhat is your point in posting this gun porn? How does this help?

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Response to Stinky The Clown (Reply #16)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 05:28 PM

21. It's information about a tragedy that many of us are trying to understand.

If they start really banning these things, it's good for the non-gun-minded among us to know what the terms of the debate will be like. It has something to do with having an informed citizenry playing their roles in a participatory democracy.

What is your point in favoring ignorance on this topic? How does that help?

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Response to Junkdrawer (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 05:24 PM

17. Fleet and Farm in our area, (Sheboygan county, WI) sells a similar gun.

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Response to Junkdrawer (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 05:30 PM

22. I've got the same gun, an AK47, a tactical 12 ga. shotgun, a Glock, 2 1911 .45's, a 38spl revolver..

I used to need them for work (personal/professional security), but I don't need them now.

You want em? outlaw them. For I belong to no well regulated militia, and you can come get em (hopefully I could get some kind of cash back for them, but whatever). I want me and my little one to be safe from nuts who get their hands on these weapons that are meant for nothing but to kill people. Sure, they are meant to kill "bad guys" be they the enemy in war, or the bad guy breaking in to your home to do you harm, but they are intended to kill people.

You want em, ban them, then let me drop mine off with everyone else who turns theirs in. I only doubt that everyone would turn them in if they were made illegal. That's a shame.

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Response to Junkdrawer (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 05:36 PM

24. Bans aren't the answer

If guns are not obtained legally, they will be obtained illegally if someone wants them bad enough.
The idea isn't to ban the legal purchase, it is to stop the illegal purchase.
Reasonable precautions should be taken from a legal standpoint... background checks, ballistics verifications, waiting periods, etc. can go a long way in stopping whack-o's from going to the local gun shop or trade show and take one home same-day.
We need to find a way to stop the illegal avenues of getting guns. Universal regulations should be applied in all states with federal database verifications that apply in all businesses. Private owner-to-buyer transactions have to be subject to the same rules. Buyers must pass these checks... business or private.
The NRA could help craft these rules and their membership can help, but they don't. They are as much at fault in these nutcases getting guns as anyone or group is because of their abhorrance to any gun regulation.

The gun doesn't kill until the person weilding it pulls the trigger. The person weilding the gun is the guilty one, why punish the gun?

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Response to PoliticalBiker (Reply #24)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 06:07 PM

33. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHH!!!

Yeah, tell that to every other first world country that has bans and 1/10000000th the number of gun deaths we have.

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Response to Zoeisright (Reply #33)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 06:12 PM

37. Those bans didn't occur...

...in societies that already had almost one firearm for every person. They occurred in societies in which it was already uncommon for civilians to be armed, restrictions dating back to the middle ages in many cases. There are no relatively modern historical precedents to our situation. That is, there has never been a large-scale modern society with our level of weapon possession by members of the non-military, non-ruling class.

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Response to Zoeisright (Reply #33)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 06:21 PM

39. Re:

Yer mouth laughs pretty good, do you kickstart your brain before engaging it?

I know the statistics. But we are America. We can own guns and be smart about it. We just have to have to balls to do it and the brains to do it right. Bans mean only those intent on doing harm will own guns. Better to stop those people from getting guns in the first place. China has nuts that slaughter kids with knives. Is the answer there to ban knives? Obviously not. More people are killed in cars in this country than get killed with guns. Shouldn't we ban cars to stop it? In this country... in America, smart regulations can allow gun ownership of the responsible while denying access to guns for the irresponsible. We just have to use our brains and find the right solution... not based on knee-jerk reactionary rules that address the symptom while leaving the problem to fester.

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Response to Junkdrawer (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 05:59 PM

30. These can be bought at your local Wal-Mat now, too! n/t

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Response to Junkdrawer (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 06:01 PM

32. I thought I'd seen something like that somewhere before.







But the half governor seems to prefer the military version.


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Response to Junkdrawer (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 06:08 PM

35. The semi rifle was not used in the shooting

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Response to Junkdrawer (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 07:42 PM

50. Brought to you courtesy of Cerberus Capital Management

It seems like the version of the story quoted in the OP isn't exactly accurate. Dyke sold Bushmaster to Cerberus in 2006, and the DC sniper incident was no impediment. Cerberus has since been buying up other small arms manufacturers for its "Freedom Group" like there's no tomorrow.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/27/business/how-freedom-group-became-the-gun-industrys-giant.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

Cerberus representatives who arrived here in 2005 clearly saw potential. Inside, several dozen gunsmiths, working by hand, were fitting together 6,000 to 7,000 weapons a month. At the time, Bushmaster was thriving, though it had been stung by bad publicity stemming from the Beltway sniper shootings. (In a 2004 settlement with victims of the shootings and their families, Bull’s Eye Shooter Supply, the store where the gun was acquired, agreed to pay $2 million, and Bushmaster agreed to pay $568,000, but they did not admit liability.)

Richard Dyke, then the principal owner and chairman of Bushmaster, welcomed the visitors from New York. A blunt-spoken Korean War veteran and Republican fund-raiser, he had made a fortune himself by buying companies in trouble, including one that made poker chips. In 1976, he bought a bankrupt gun maker in Bangor, Me., for $241,000, moved it to Windham and later changed its name to Bushmaster.

The company that Mr. Dyke bought had patents on semiautomatic weapons designed for the military and police. But he was drawn to the nascent market in military-style firearms for civilians. He saw as his customers precision target shooters, including current and former military personnel, police officers and, well, military wannabes, he says. . . .

Bushmaster was among the first to sell ordinary people on weapons that look and feel like the ones carried by soldiers. Today many gun makers have embraced military-style weapons, a major but controversial source of growth for the commercial gun market, says Tom Diaz, a senior policy analyst at the Violence Policy Center, a research group that backs gun control.

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Response to Junkdrawer (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 07:44 PM

51. Nuts.

That's what you get George W. Bush for letting the Assault Weapons Ban expire.

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