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Fri Dec 14, 2012, 03:32 PM

Stop thinking these tragic shootings are only done by people with mental health issues

I know when these incidents happen. The profile is a person who has a history of mental health issues.Sometimes the shooter is just pure evil.

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Reply Stop thinking these tragic shootings are only done by people with mental health issues (Original post)
SummerSnow Dec 2012 OP
Trunk Monkey Dec 2012 #1
SummerSnow Dec 2012 #28
Trunk Monkey Dec 2012 #30
Dark n Stormy Knight Dec 2012 #2
kestrel91316 Dec 2012 #12
Dark n Stormy Knight Dec 2012 #16
SummerSnow Dec 2012 #21
hifiguy Dec 2012 #3
1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #6
hifiguy Dec 2012 #9
1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #17
Wait Wut Dec 2012 #4
Live and Learn Dec 2012 #19
RobinA Dec 2012 #29
onehandle Dec 2012 #5
immoderate Dec 2012 #7
nolabear Dec 2012 #8
Dark n Stormy Knight Dec 2012 #18
Brickbat Dec 2012 #20
Robb Dec 2012 #22
SummerSnow Dec 2012 #24
frylock Dec 2012 #10
SummerSnow Dec 2012 #25
kestrel91316 Dec 2012 #11
Fumesucker Dec 2012 #14
kestrel91316 Dec 2012 #26
Fumesucker Dec 2012 #32
backscatter712 Dec 2012 #13
dionysus Dec 2012 #15
SummerSnow Dec 2012 #27
dionysus Dec 2012 #31
FarCenter Dec 2012 #23

Response to SummerSnow (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 03:33 PM

1. Wouldn't ANYONE who do that, by definition, have mental health issues? NT

 

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Response to Trunk Monkey (Reply #1)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 04:33 PM

28. you can't ..

Have one without the other..the act is both mental and evil.that's what I meant

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Response to SummerSnow (Reply #28)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 04:34 PM

30. OK NT

 

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Response to SummerSnow (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 03:34 PM

2. Evil is a mental health issue.

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Response to Dark n Stormy Knight (Reply #2)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 03:57 PM

12. I dunno. I've known a few people who clearly just choose to be assholes.

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Response to kestrel91316 (Reply #12)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 04:08 PM

16. I guess my thought is that anyone who does that is mentally ill. Why would a well-adjusted, mentally

stable person choose to act that way. I think maybe they would not.

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Response to Dark n Stormy Knight (Reply #2)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 04:13 PM

21. yes and no

Yes evil will affect your thoughts and you do stupid reckless tragic things as a result.but evil and hate lurks in your heart.IMO.and u commit tragic things

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Response to SummerSnow (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 03:35 PM

3. There are plenty of people who are just mean

and "crazy" without being mentally ill.

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Response to hifiguy (Reply #3)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 03:40 PM

6. Possibly ...

but, arguably, when that "just mean" and "crazy", presents itself in the form of a mass shooting, I think we can accurately say that "just mean" and "crazy" person is mentally ill.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #6)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 03:45 PM

9. I wish I knew the answer.

There are people out there who have enormous inchoate anger. I don't know whether they qualify as "mentally ill" or not, and I have a lot of experience with the mental health system. I've been in outpatient programs a couple of times and I've seen a lot of depression - the problem I have battled - but I've never seen anything like the seething anger that drives many of the gun nuts.

The baffling thing is why, even if we assume for the purposes of argument that this guy was a paranoid schizophrenic, would he shoot up a kindergarten? That is chilling and horrifying at a level well beyond even the other massacres of the last few years.

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Response to hifiguy (Reply #9)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 04:09 PM

17. Honestly ...

with a recognition that every human state lines on a continium, so does mental illness. As I would place internalized anxiety that affects one's life at one end of the continium, I would place violent acts stemming from that anxiety at the other extreme.

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Response to SummerSnow (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 03:35 PM

4. If you want to believe in evil, that's your choice.

I'll continue to believe in medical science and believe that these tragic shootings are always committed by people with mental illness.

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Response to Wait Wut (Reply #4)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 04:11 PM

19. +1 nt

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Response to Wait Wut (Reply #4)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 04:33 PM

29. Couldn't Agree More

I hate this "just evil" voodoo. It's a great way to avoid discussing and understanding issues. "It's a FORCE, come down from the sky..."

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Response to SummerSnow (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 03:37 PM

5. Sometimes it's a crime of opportunity. Fueled by readily available guns. nt

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Response to SummerSnow (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 03:41 PM

7. Word games. Unprovoked mass murder is a sign of mental illness.

How can killing numbers of people represent evidence of being normal? Being coherent does not mean you're sane.

--imm

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Response to SummerSnow (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 03:43 PM

8. I'm a mental health professional. This is aberrant, abnormal behavior and you'd better be glad.

"Evil" offers no understanding and no solutions.

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Response to nolabear (Reply #8)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 04:10 PM

18. + 100000000!

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Response to nolabear (Reply #8)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 04:13 PM

20. This.

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Response to nolabear (Reply #8)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 04:14 PM

22. Nailed it.

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Response to nolabear (Reply #8)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 04:19 PM

24. so are you saying that when people..

Commit acts like this and if caught alive.sometimes they say they did it out of hate and the hate is a diagnosed mental illness? I'm just asking cause I do believe that hate and evil and being mental is intertwined and not just exclusively just mentally ill or just evil

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Response to SummerSnow (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 03:46 PM

10. can you provide a medical definition of "evil?"

fucking stupid post. really.

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Response to frylock (Reply #10)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 04:25 PM

25. i think evil

Is a personality condition and part of your figurative heart.there are people who are mean evil and wicked. They are of course "mental".but I don't believe that all mentally sick people can commit acts of mass murder or are mean wicked or evil its just not apart of their Psyche..but mean wicked evil people can do this.

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Response to SummerSnow (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 03:56 PM

11. ANY behavioral problems, ANY mental health problems..............both should be

lifetime disqualifiers from even TOUCHING a gun again.

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Response to kestrel91316 (Reply #11)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 04:00 PM

14. That right there will stop a lot of people from seeking help even if they could afford it n/t

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #14)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 04:27 PM

26. I no longer care. We can make a law that says if people refuse a psych exam they cannot purchase or

possess a gun of any kind, and if caught, make it LWOP.

No skin off my back, so I don't care. I DO care that we get serious about keeping guns out of the hands of loose cannons.

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Response to kestrel91316 (Reply #26)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 04:41 PM

32. The only way to do what you wish is to get rid of the guns, period

Personally I wouldn't have much of a problem with that but I'm not one that has to be convinced.

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Response to SummerSnow (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 04:00 PM

13. Here's some recommended reading:

The Science of Evil: On Empathy and the Origins of Cruelty
by Simon Baron-Cohen

http://www.amazon.com/dp/0465031420

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Response to SummerSnow (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 04:00 PM

15. being evil enough to guns down dozens of people IS a mental health issue. nt

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Response to dionysus (Reply #15)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 04:30 PM

27. yes it is..

A mental health issue.but not all people with mental health issues are murderers.I feel no one with mental health issues should have a gun.but you can't seperate that not only the act was mental it was evil too.

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Response to SummerSnow (Reply #27)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 04:36 PM

31. i don't think you'll find a single person saying that everyone with a mental health issue

is a murdering psycopath.

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Response to SummerSnow (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 04:16 PM

23. He killed his father, someone at his mother's home, then his mother and her class -- sounds mental

He must have had some deep seated issues with his parents. It appears that he was living with his mother and father in the not too distant past in Sandy Hook, since online white pages list them all at one address. He attended Quinnipiac College, so mental health records there will be of interest.

He apparently killed his father in NJ. Then he drove to his mother's house and killed someone there, possibly a sibling or mother's new significant other, then he went to her school and killed adminstrative staff, searched out his mother's room, and killed her and her students.

Most likely the kindergartners were part of his revenge against his mother.

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The above is wrong, because it was based on Ryan Lanza. The shooter was his younger brother Adam. However, Adam did kill someone at his mother's house, then drove to the school, etc.

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