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Tell this PINT-SIZE weasel to GFH! Their TRUE agenda is starting to bleed through.
Sen. Tom Coburn (R-OK) is encouraging Democrats to cut Social Security and Medicare benefits because the programs are things we dont absolutely need. Speaking to ABCs George Stephanopolous on Sunday about the so-called fiscal cliff, Coburn said that he would be willing to accept tax hikes for the top 2 percent of earners if Democrats and President Barack Obama agreed to reform Social Security and Medicare.
The ABC host pointed out that Obamas health care reform law had already achieved about $716 billion in Medicare savings and many Republicans including former Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney ran against those cuts.
The $700 billion in savings doesnt save the government a penny because what it does is takes that $700 billion and spends it on other people, Coburn insisted. Weve seen the president demand that were going to solve 7 percent of this problem [with tax hikes on the rich] but hes totally inflexible on the other 93 percent.
It doesnt really matter what happens at the end of this year because ultimately the numbers and the bond holders throughout the world will determine what well spend and what we wont. So, we can play the political game that is being played out in Washington right now or we can be absolutely honest with the American people and say, Medicare is going bankrupt, Social Security disability will be bankrupt in two years, Social Security trust fund will be bankrupt in five years, Social Security total will be bankrupt in 16,17 years.
The fact is we are spending money we dont have on things we dont absolutely need, he concluded. And theres no grownups in Washington that will say, Timeout, stop the politics, lets have a compromise rather than play the game through the press and hurt the country. Were already going to get another debt downgrade just from whats happening now because nobody in positions of power are willing to do whats important and necessary for our country.
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/12/09/coburn-medicare-and-social-security-are-things-we-dont-absolutely-need/
niyad
(113,731 posts)Segami
(14,923 posts)FEAR,....the great motivator!
plethoro
(594 posts)one of the worst.
lbrtbell
(2,389 posts)After all, WE don't need it.
These guys are marking themselves for being primaried when their time comes around.
kelliekat44
(7,759 posts)Rich people simply are out of touch with what the average working family has to go through to survive. They live in their own sheltered worlds. Even when disaster strikes their beach homes and yachts they don't get a sense of what it is like to be poor or average because they have enough money to move elsewhere and leave the rubble behind. But i bet they are the first in line for insurance, government help, law suits.
burnsei sensei
(1,820 posts)say, to 22,000 dollars a year.
The figure is significant because it is the annual income of the average older American.
The bastards really don't need it!
City Lights
(25,171 posts)patrice
(47,992 posts)HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)soviets.
Segami
(14,923 posts)newfie11
(8,159 posts)socialindependocrat
(1,372 posts)LeftInTX
(25,705 posts)Tax subsidies for oil and gas...the list goes on.
Warpy
(111,412 posts)That five sided black hole in Arlington is the one thing that needs the cuts, steep ones.
The shrieking from the far right will be nearly deafening, but this has to be done and soon.
Ghost of Tom Joad
(1,356 posts)they all talk about shared sacrifice so a salary and benefit cut would be appropriate
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)Segami
(14,923 posts)SammyWinstonJack
(44,130 posts)Trying to take away something we paid for to justify continued tax cuts for the obscenely wealthy, isn't going play well with the 47% or the 99%.
plethoro
(594 posts)dddddddd
eShirl
(18,506 posts)Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(108,385 posts)We've paid into these all our lives. Why don't you take a pay cut you douchebag?
ErikJ
(6,335 posts)Someday the infantile, selfish Baby Boomer generation will relearn what the Greatest Generation learned 80 years ago. TAX THE RICH!
Lady Freedom Returns
(14,120 posts)eShirl
(18,506 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)told that blatant lie that SS is going bankrupt. They should be stopped, and their mike taken away if they lie to the American people like that. But they do this all the time and the media just ignores them and moves on.
What an outrage that our government is run by these liars. Greedy, opportunists that in any other profession would be called what they are, 'Conmen'.
I blame Democrats who are not out there educating people so they recognize the lies when they hear them.
And he has the gall to say 'we are spending money we don't have'. Yes and you stole it from the SS fund to give tax breaks to your buddies and to fund your wars for profit.
I wish we had some real journalists in this country. Without that as a check on these liars, there is nothing we can do.
Lady Freedom Returns
(14,120 posts)It is a big problem, huge! The journalist can't be a journalist when his/her hand are tied by outside sources.
The Wielding Truth
(11,415 posts)Third Doctor
(1,574 posts)Plus I bet this guy is rich and can pay for healthcare out of his pocket.
Segami
(14,923 posts)burnsei sensei
(1,820 posts)Hippocratic Oath.
Which, in light of medicine for profit, means little or nothing.
"Do no harm," was replaced with "profit massively."
"Social Security and Medicare...are things we don't absolutely need."
Realistically, seriously.... "..things we don't need"????? Does he know how absurd that sounds? Why don't the journalists ask him what he would put in their place? What would that kind of America look like, exactly? There's no way those programs can be privatized, as the people who use/need/ and paid for them already, wouldn't be able to pay the exorbitant charges that the private health and retirement industry would charge.
Really, if we have a social science fiction writer on DU, I wish you would write us a scenario or short story of what America would like if those programs disappeared? Oh, yeah, include the elimination/privatization of all other programs/agencies that they hate, like Dept of Ed, EPA, any/all regulations, etc., etc., etc.....
Segami
(14,923 posts)ReRe
(10,597 posts).... Do you think I should edit it? Sometimes my mind gets ahead of my fingers. Or the keyboard can't keep up with my fingers. ...
Segami
(14,923 posts)Response to Segami (Original post)
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AllyCat
(16,251 posts)Is food and water "optional"? Housing? Clothing? How about air?
A$$hole.
eShirl
(18,506 posts)Tax cuts for the rich!
RyanThomas
(23 posts)and used it to fund Obama-care? I love flip flops like this from them. They scream about the government trying to cut Medicare... falsely... during election year to curry favor with seniors, and then after the election they say we need to be "responsible" and end it. It's an almost painful reality flip flop that NOBODY CALLS THEM ON.
Bait and switch. Bait and switch. Flip flop. Flip flop. Bait and switch. Bait and switch. Flip flop. Flip flop. I have trouble keeping up with it all. What you said is so true. I just hadn't heard anyone say it yet...
Welcome to DU!
still_one
(92,490 posts)taken away. They should be treated like the citizens they are supposed to represent.
In fact I will go a step further, they should be treated like the poorest citizens are
Segami
(14,923 posts)aquart
(69,014 posts)Wherever he goes. Let it come with his morning paper and his coffee. Let it be in his French fries. Carve it on his tombstone.
aquart
(69,014 posts)ReRe
(10,597 posts)... you need to start an OP starting with "You know you're a BananaRepublican if you _________________________________________________________
fill in the blank.
Initech
(100,125 posts)Hmm... which one would I choose?
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)DallasNE
(7,404 posts)He is not dumb so did he misspeak or what when he said "the bond holders throughout the world will determine what well spend". No, what Congress authorizes in the appropriation process will determine what we'll spend. The bond holders will determine interest rates on the money we borrow but they will not determine what we'll spend.
He is also full of himself if he thinks he is the only one that knows "what's important and necessary for our country". Republicans lost the election and it doesn't seem as though it has sunk in with them yet. This windbag can't actually believe what he is saying so why is he saying this stupid crap.
ReRe
(10,597 posts)LarryNM
(493 posts)Are the types who would peacefully and obediently march to the gas chambers.
eShirl
(18,506 posts)Berlum
(7,044 posts)Republicans really know how to pick losers.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)If we can't afford to educate our children, care for our sick or tend to our elderly, just what is it the defense budget is defending?
RandiFan1290
(6,259 posts)better get use to hearing it
Panasonic
(2,921 posts)And the SS is finally corrected - as in REAL COLA (not some CPI # - but real life # YEARLY - mandatory 10% COLA increase PLUS city COLA adjustments)
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)Skidmore
(37,364 posts)receive their benefits from these programs. I really loathe doctors who literally blame their patients for not being wealthy like them but are all to happy to take money from the very funds they scorn.
Paladin
(28,281 posts)Short Version: Repub Fuckhead.
liberal N proud
(60,349 posts)Heywood J
(2,515 posts)Rustycup
(41 posts)99Forever
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niyad
(113,731 posts)getting mad enough to do anything about it.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)... they are correct.
Rustycup
(41 posts)
Medicare is going bankrupt, Social Security disability will be bankrupt in two years, Social Security trust fund will be bankrupt in five years, Social Security total will be bankrupt in 16,17 years.
Medicare is broke due to funding of the private Medicare Advantage plans and not being able to negotiate with drug companies. Social Security is not bankrupt....we need to raise the debt ceiling to accommodate for the baby boomer's retiring. They want a pig fest on the money in SS. Is this Senator going to demand corporate America not lay off anyone under 67? I am tired of these pigs. They are going around saying this stuff as they approved 300Billion military funding.
spanone
(135,919 posts)Panasonic
(2,921 posts)How do you like that, Coburn?
You'll need to beg from your usual sources to fund your ass.
McCamy Taylor
(19,240 posts)Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)Coburn is a liar and enormous homophobic bigot. Coburn is the psuedo pimp who negotiated the pay off deal for the adulterous partners of his fellow Christian Congressmen at C Street.
Obama's praise of Coburn has always been difficult to deal with, now it sounds like an endorsement of not just yet another bigoted idiot, but a greedy old liar.
scratcho
(42 posts)is who is the WE of which he speaks?
yellowcanine
(35,703 posts)LynneSin
(95,337 posts)Asshole - basically what he's talking about pretty much is a death panel. If you can't afford to be alive then just die.