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Sat Dec 8, 2012, 10:06 PM

‘Famous’ Wolf Is Killed Outside Yellowstone

Yellowstone National Park’s best-known wolf, beloved by many tourists and valued by scientists who tracked its movements, was shot and killed on Thursday outside the park’s boundaries, Wyoming wildlife officials reported.

The wolf, known as 832F to researchers, was the alpha female of the park’s highly visible Lamar Canyon pack and had become so well known that some wildlife watchers referred to her as a “rock star.” The animal had been a tourist favorite for most of the past six years.

The wolf was fitted with a $4,000 collar with GPS tracking technology, which is being returned, said Daniel Stahler, a project director for Yellowstone’s wolf program. Based on data from the wolf’s collar, researchers knew that her pack rarely ventured outside the park, and then only for brief periods, Dr. Stahler said.

This year’s hunting season in the northern Rockies has been especially controversial because of the high numbers of popular wolves and wolves fitted with research collars that have been killed just outside Yellowstone in Idaho, Montana and Wyoming.

full: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/09/science/earth/famous-wolf-is-killed-outside-yellowstone.html

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Reply ‘Famous’ Wolf Is Killed Outside Yellowstone (Original post)
alp227 Dec 2012 OP
niyad Dec 2012 #1
femmocrat Dec 2012 #2
CaliforniaPeggy Dec 2012 #3
sasha031 Dec 2012 #16
CaliforniaPeggy Dec 2012 #22
CanonRay Dec 2012 #39
Tumbulu Dec 2012 #4
CaliforniaPeggy Dec 2012 #6
defacto7 Dec 2012 #24
CaliforniaPeggy Dec 2012 #25
AnneD Dec 2012 #34
dangin Dec 2012 #8
AldoLeopold Dec 2012 #12
Tumbulu Dec 2012 #47
arikara Dec 2012 #11
creeksneakers2 Dec 2012 #23
arikara Dec 2012 #32
Hayabusa Dec 2012 #58
leftyladyfrommo Dec 2012 #37
Tumbulu Dec 2012 #46
ZM90 Dec 2012 #5
Earth_First Dec 2012 #7
MFM008 Dec 2012 #36
rhett o rick Dec 2012 #9
Marinedem Dec 2012 #48
rhett o rick Dec 2012 #55
AldoLeopold Dec 2012 #10
Odin2005 Dec 2012 #13
sasha031 Dec 2012 #14
pscot Dec 2012 #15
2naSalit Dec 2012 #28
Live and Learn Dec 2012 #38
Esse Quam Videri Dec 2012 #40
Marinedem Dec 2012 #49
flvegan Dec 2012 #17
former-republican Dec 2012 #18
kickysnana Dec 2012 #19
2naSalit Dec 2012 #29
apocalypsehow Dec 2012 #20
sasha031 Dec 2012 #21
2naSalit Dec 2012 #30
Mojorabbit Dec 2012 #35
2naSalit Dec 2012 #42
apocalypsehow Dec 2012 #45
Mojorabbit Dec 2012 #56
apocalypsehow Dec 2012 #57
love_katz Dec 2012 #26
Marinedem Dec 2012 #50
Tumbulu Dec 2012 #52
love_katz Dec 2012 #27
Tumbulu Dec 2012 #53
Mojorabbit Dec 2012 #60
glinda Dec 2012 #31
life long demo Dec 2012 #33
Esse Quam Videri Dec 2012 #41
2naSalit Dec 2012 #43
Omaha Steve Dec 2012 #44
liberal N proud Dec 2012 #51
RKP5637 Dec 2012 #54
Tyrs WolfDaemon Dec 2012 #59

Response to alp227 (Original post)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 10:11 PM

1. absolutely sickening

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 10:12 PM

2. That is heart-breaking.

I'm sure there are many wolf-lovers who are saddened at this news.

When the wolves were first introduced, I "adopted" one. She too was killed.

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 10:18 PM

3. Wolf-killers are barbarians, plain and simple.

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Response to CaliforniaPeggy (Reply #3)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 11:41 PM

16. wildlife advocates post the pictures of the slaughter regularly on facebook

the hunters are barbarians, wolves should of never been taken off the endangered species list.....

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Response to sasha031 (Reply #16)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 12:02 AM

22. The wolves were removed because their numbers had recovered enough to ensure their survivability.

I do agree with you. They should have remained on the list.

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Response to sasha031 (Reply #16)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 07:38 AM

39. They should post the pictures of the hunters

Payback is a bitch.

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 10:30 PM

4. How sad!!!!!!

I have lost almost 50 sheep this year to a very intelligent and beautiful (gosh darn it!!!!) coyote and his/her family. All of my bottle fed lambs and one ewe's side was completely removed by one who took her lamb- I spent 3+ months cleaning and treating the wound for the skin to grow back.

I feel for ranchers, but guardian dogs are the answer, not killing the predators.

I rescued a livestock guardian dog this summer who is outside right now barking and barking at them. The coyotes have moved farther away. It is down to 2-3 kills/month vs 2-3 kills per week. I need more dogs, but each takes time to settle in. Dogs protecting the livestock is the way to go. The next one is coming in a few weeks and I am trying to get everything ready for her.

A lot of organizations paid to purchase these dogs for the ranchers in that area. How sad that they have choses to go this route.

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Response to Tumbulu (Reply #4)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 10:49 PM

6. Good for you, finding the intelligent way to combat those losses.

I firmly believe, however, that the idiots killing the wolves do it because they hate the wolves. It is a shame.

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Response to CaliforniaPeggy (Reply #6)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 12:34 AM

24. Actually Peggy, I think they kill

because they like to kill. It's their adrenalin rush. If it's a collared animal, that's just another notch up on their megalomaniacal feeding. If they could get away with it, they'd kill anything.

I think for us to think that hunters have a business interest at stake is short sighted; that is the reasoning used to get away with it. It's part of the human sickness from thousands of years killing, and it is imperative that we evolve toward understanding and cherishing all life we share this planet with.

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Response to defacto7 (Reply #24)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 12:38 AM

25. There is much truth in what you say...

I agree too with what needs to be done over the long haul, but what do we do now?

It breaks my heart to see these magnificent animals with their superb social structure being murdered by "humans."


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Response to defacto7 (Reply #24)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 05:01 AM

34. My brother...

Has a coyote problem. He accepts a certain loss but he is training some pit/heelers now. He has some local farmers ready to buy the pups. Good work dogs are a blessing.

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Response to Tumbulu (Reply #4)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 11:03 PM

8. Wolves and coyotes

I applaud your methods but wolves and coyotes are quite different.

However, we have rampant deer kills by snipers in our area of eastern Kansas each year now because otherwise the deer will both destroy our vegetation and still starve.

We don't have wolves but we have cougars and coyotes.

Are the deer pops not overly large up there? If they are then this shooting was criminal since domesticated livestock losses would be both minimal and insurable if deer and elk are overly plentiful. If deer aren't overrun there like they are here, why not? Is the predator prey ratio in balance? I truly don't know.

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Response to dangin (Reply #8)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 11:27 PM

12. Of course the predator prey ratio isn't in balance

There's no way that it can be unless you count humans and by my reckoning wildlife management rarely gets it right in the numbers. Good that you know the term though. In fact, you seem to be quite educated on this subject.

Perhaps the state should file a civil suit in federal court claiming an inbalance caused by Wyoming.

Tell me, do the deer eat your crops?

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Response to dangin (Reply #8)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 04:36 PM

47. This year the coyotes in the west are really something

I heard it was because there was some sort of rodent explosion. A neighbor lost 3 calves- and they have never lost one in 60 years- to coyotes. Others, like me, lost their season's lambs.

My problem is that I have the sheep because I love animals in general, I love that these sheep are helping make topsoil and bringing health to all of my soils. I love their wool. I love watching them. I learn something from them every day, it seems.

But this coyote is a magnificent animal, too. Way larger than most and very bold. When the guardian dog first chased him out of the pasture he was on the other side of the fence yiping at us as we walked up to our side of the fence. It was though as he was saying to me "who is this huge dog taking away my sheep?" Now , since my first dog makes life uncomfortable for them around here, they have moved their families farther away. There really are plenty of rodents and I am grateful that the coyotes catch so many of them. I just want them to leave my sheep alone!



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Response to Tumbulu (Reply #4)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 11:25 PM

11. I know someone who uses a big llama

to keep the wolves and other predators away from the livestock. I've seen it standing guard over the sheep, it takes its job seriously.

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Response to arikara (Reply #11)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 12:05 AM

23. I was skeptical

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Response to creeksneakers2 (Reply #23)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 02:46 AM

32. Here...

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Response to creeksneakers2 (Reply #23)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 08:17 PM

58. My uncle

used to own a farm and had a couples herds of sheep and cattle. Towards the latter quarter of his farming career, he had a llama as a guard against coyotes (as there were no wolves in Missouri at the time).

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Response to Tumbulu (Reply #4)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 06:12 AM

37. Guardian dogs work.

I had a friend who was losing lambs - coyotes would come clear up in his yard. Got a guard dog and he quit losing lambs.

But just one dog won't work against wolves. You have to have several so they can really defend themselves. Otherwise the guard dog will get killed by the wolves.

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Response to leftyladyfrommo (Reply #37)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 04:26 PM

46. That's right , everyone says 3-5

but it is taking me time to get them settled in.

And people say you have to protect your dog with these terribly scary looking collars.

I tried llama, but they would jump my fences and stand in the highway......

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 10:45 PM

5. :(

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 10:52 PM

7. There is no doubt in my mind that the individual who shot this wolf knew who he was shooting...

If these wolves share the 'celebrity status' that the article claims, than there is little doubt in my mind that this individual knew.

It's too bad that shooting a wolf with a research collar isn't an illegal offense.

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Response to Earth_First (Reply #7)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 05:39 AM

36. of course, you can see that collar

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 11:09 PM

9. I bet this has the gun nuts drooling. Probaby discussing what kind of bullet was used and

how much tissue damage was done. Maybe it was run down with a helicopter until it was exhausted and then killed by someone that thinks that makes them a real man.

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #9)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 05:01 PM

48. Drooling? No.

 

I doubt doubt that the type of round used and the effects of the terminal ballistics is being discussed though, as such knowledge is important to ensure that the animal didn't suffer further undue pain. Greater damage/spread of round = less suffering.

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Response to Marinedem (Reply #48)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 06:31 PM

55. Best way to reduce the suffering if that's what is wanted..........dont shoot the beautiful animal.

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 11:22 PM

10. Don't read this, its profane

Because I'm about to get profane

FUCKFUCKFUCKFUCKFUCKFUCKFUCKFUCKMOTHERFUCKINGPIECEOFSHITHUMANFUCKINGASSHOLES.

FUCK

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 11:31 PM

13. This is sickening!

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 11:36 PM

14. so heartbreaking

Why were these beautiful creatures taken off the endangered species list in the 1st place.
This country has gave the green light to hunters, they can now kill anything in sight.

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 11:37 PM

15. Maybe someone will publish the killer's

name and address.

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Response to pscot (Reply #15)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 01:21 AM

28. Well folks...

First, I am glad that this news has come to DU. It's important that the general public be apprised of what is happening in the northern Rockies and the upper Great Lakes regarding wolves and predators in general. This is just the archery and gun huntin' season... trapping has just begun. If you think the gun killing part is gruesome, check out what's going on the trapping scene. For one, a number of dogs have been maimed by traps illegally set too close to areas used by the general public already. Some states are also considering the use of dogs to hunt wolves, this is foolish as the dogs are more likely to get killed than not.

The wolf in the article is actually the seventh or ninth wolf that inhabits YNP to be killed in this year's hunt. A whole pack being studied was taken last time there was a hunt. What these brave hunters have been doing is sitting on the park border with calls that mimic wolves or other animals in distress and the wolves go to check it out, they are curious animals and if it might be a wolf, they are darn sure to go see what's up as they have strong family ties.

Now wolf advocates argued for buffer zones around the national parks to avoid this but the F$G patsies were too beholden to the ranching and hunting interests and declined to write such an option into the hunting rules, and they have allowed trapping this year too. Wyoming is the worst as there is a "shoot on sight" year round policy for about 70- or 80% of the state and around the park it's call "trophy hunting" where there is a long but specific season. One of the main arguments for these hunts was to let the wolf haters blow off some steam by letting them kill some... wrong. It only rewards them. ID and WY want to reduce the wolf populations down to about 100 per state, which would be massive killing and much of the damage has already been done. Wyoming is allowed to count the park wolves as part of the overall population in the state... so they want all their wolves to stay in the parks.

There are two lawsuits filed at present against the state of Wyoming but Idaho is about the same in it's level of hatred toward wolves and Montana isn't much better. I'm not so sure about the particulars on the hunts in the Great Lakes states but I do know that suddenly authorities are concerned about hikers, their dogs and others getting shot, pierced by arrows or caught in traps after they have allowed the hunt to proceed, and they're arguing about dogs involved in hunting.

I urge everyone who cares about this to educate yourself and start screaming. This is a keystone species and they are vital to a healthy ecosystem and biosphere, if we wipe them out again, we have only ourselves to blame when the fecal matter hits the fan.

The human species is looking particularly ugly lately in these parts.

If you really want to get the lowdown on a lot of this, a good source is:

http://www.thewildlifenews.com/

which has a searchable history and news updates offered by participating bloggers. I highly recommend checking in to that site from time to time or often if you like since it has a great reputation as a news source on wildlife and issues surrounding them. If you participate, there are moderators since the topics can be controversial and conversations can get a little dicey at times... cussing isn't acceptable. But do check it out, there's a lot to learn and a lot of the info and leads can be found there.

And I laud the sheep rancher, above for the input about guard dogs, thank you for posting that! There are a number of techniques and tools available to keep wolves and other predators away from your livestock, guard dogs is but one of those.

The reason that there are so many elk and deer is because the F$G depts. "manage" for over abundance so the hunters have a reason to hunt so the depts. can make money and one reason they kill the natural predators of the "game" animals.


Folks need to pay attention, this is the new range war of the 21st century.

On edit... posting hunter's names isn't a good idea, it's happened before and it became a big fight about legality and distracted from the main argument about hunting wolves v letting them be... many death threats were issued. Redneck jihadis if you will. It's not a good thing to initiate, if you lived in the region, you'd know why. Now if a person posts gory stuff on a personal website themselves, then they are fair game.

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Response to 2naSalit (Reply #28)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 06:17 AM

38. +1 nt

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Response to 2naSalit (Reply #28)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 09:30 AM

40. +1 rec for this post

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Response to pscot (Reply #15)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 05:01 PM

49. For what?

 

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 11:44 PM

17. "hunters" LOL! Shitwads with guns in this case.

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 11:46 PM

18. "Oh" you mean to stop the wolves from being wolves

 

"Many ranchers and hunters say the wolf hunts are a reasonable way to reduce attacks on livestock and protect big game populations"

That doesn't make any sense , that's what wolves do , they hunt they eat.
Or do they want people to go out and hand feed them....

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 11:47 PM

19. Are hungers they using tracking devices to find these wolves? n/t

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Response to kickysnana (Reply #19)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 01:29 AM

29. Some probably are

radio telemetry isn't hard to come by, some hunters use the devices for their hunting dogs and finding a frequency for a wolf isn't hard to guess if you have a decent receiver. They also get to use "calls" so that helps to lure a wolf out of a safe zone. Trapping season has just started so that will be even uglier.

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 11:49 PM

20. Though I find this to be terrible, I wish some of my fellow DU'ers who are repulsed by

this story would weigh in occasionally with those few of us who routinely take on DU's NRA-squad, the so-called "pro gun progressives." They truly make this site suck.

Folks, this is gun culture. It's not hunting for food or sports shooting: the same right-wing culture that says shooting a wolf for sport is good fun is that same culture that insists we can do nothing about the human victims of the far-too easy availability of handguns and assault rifles on our city streets. It's all of a piece.

Thanks for your patience; sorry for the rant.

Back to the OP: it is awful. Wolves shouldn't be off the endangered species list.

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Response to apocalypsehow (Reply #20)

Sat Dec 8, 2012, 11:58 PM

21. I hate the gun culture in this country too apocalypsehow Thanks for your rant

"DU's NRA-squad" makes me more than ill. I can't tell you the number of times that I'd accidentally respond to a post, coming from a gun control perspective. Then find myself in arguments with the progun nuts.
I don't know why man has this need to kill everything, to me it is so wrong.
Life is sacred and we should respect & cherish everything on this planet.

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Response to apocalypsehow (Reply #20)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 01:31 AM

30. Not hunting for food

aka, fetishism and a sick sense of payback toward the gubbamint who put them varmints out there... feeding on hatred.

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Response to apocalypsehow (Reply #20)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 05:03 AM

35. That is baloney

I don't know a single hunter who sport hunts. Only those who hunt what they will eat. This is a crappy attack on fellow DUers. My husband hunts but like others on this site I had adopted a wolf also that was killed. I have been a member of Defenders of Wildlife and EarthJustice both who use the courts to try and stop these hunts for years and years. I have written countless letters to the last administration and to this one. Obama appointed that damn Salazar and things went downhill from there. It is not all of a piece.

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Response to Mojorabbit (Reply #35)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 09:32 AM

42. and there is a petition to

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Response to Mojorabbit (Reply #35)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 02:34 PM

45. It is not baloney: it is quite irrefutable fact. That you don't like facts isn't my problem. n/t.

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Response to apocalypsehow (Reply #45)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 07:08 PM

56. I am sorry but I do not believe it is a fact

I will be willing to change my mind if you can provide some peer reviewed scientific literature that backs your claim. I am a pro gun progressive and wolf supporter as I posted before. Only a sociopath would hunt wolves just for sport in my opinion.

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Response to Mojorabbit (Reply #56)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 07:46 PM

57. It is a fact, and whether you "change your mind" or not is a matter of indifference to me.

"I am a pro gun progressive"

Uh-huh.

"Only a sociopath would hunt wolves just for sport in my opinion"

And that's precisely what the sociopath with the gun in the OP's linked article did: hunt a wolf for sport.

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 01:01 AM

26. Murdered, is more like it.

The last time I checked, humans don't eat wolves.

The killer of the wolf is unlikely to make use of all of the wolf. And I highly doubt that the killer needed the wolf's pelt to keep warm this winter.

Obviously, the killer is incapable of "thinking like a mountain" (thanks to Aldo Leopold's book, A Sand County Almanac, for the concept).

I find this kind of slaughter to be sickening, disgusting, and heart wrenching.

Real hunters only take a creature's life to provide food. These days, most of us don't need to do that. And, if it is done, ALL parts of the creature need to be put to good use.

I think the killer of this wolf is such a low life that they would suck ditch water. No words can convey the depth of my disgust for such a creep.

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Response to love_katz (Reply #26)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 05:02 PM

50. Murder refers only to Human on Human.

 

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Response to Marinedem (Reply #50)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 05:19 PM

52. Not in my book

murder is killing anything for no reason.

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 01:05 AM

27. And people like Tumbulu, who posted upthread...

are an inspiration, providing an example of the way we need to go. Kudos to you, Tumbulu.

We need to find ways to work with Nature, not against the Earth. Like the Sioux, we need to learn to love and respect ALL of our relations, not just the human ones.

Murderers of wolves...be gone!

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Response to love_katz (Reply #27)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 05:21 PM

53. Thank you love_katz

we all do need to do this. We really do not have much time left for this type of behavior.

I second your: Murderers of wolves....be gone!

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Response to love_katz (Reply #27)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 01:01 AM

60. I so totally agree! nt

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 01:42 AM

31. We say this must stop but we need to actually make this stop.

The emotional and psychological issues of the people that have forced through the back door these hunts (who are a minority) is beyond the pale. There is anger and hostility in these murders. We must find the way to stop them all over the Country.

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 04:56 AM

33. The wolf killings has been breaking my heart since it started again

and it's only going to get worse. What can we average citizens do to stop this?

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 09:31 AM

41. I am absolutely sickened by this.

Fuck these asshole hunters just lying in wait for these beautiful animals to step foot outside the park.

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Response to Esse Quam Videri (Reply #41)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 09:34 AM

43. They lure them with "calls"

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 12:29 PM

44. K&R!

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 05:06 PM

51. Ranchers encroach on this wilderness sanctuary and then kill the wildlife.

This is a crime against nature.

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 05:21 PM

54. Too bad the wolves aren't armed with heat seeking rifles. I just have absolutely no respect for

individuals that do this. F'en fools. Yep, it takes a real man or woman with advanced weapons to take down a wolf.

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Response to alp227 (Original post)

Sun Dec 9, 2012, 08:24 PM

59. There are no words that can express my anger toward these hunters


I can only hope that Odin's wolves, Geri and Freki, haunt these peoples' dreams and afterlife.


May this wonderful wolf find her way across BriFrost to join our waiting family in the Wild Hunt.

Perhaps one day the Wild Hunt's prey will be these 'people' that insist that our brethren be hunted.

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