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woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
Wed Dec 5, 2012, 02:49 PM Dec 2012

Purposely aiming bombs at children: "It kind of opens our aperture."

Ignoring it does not make it go away. That the President is a Democrat does not make it morally conscionable:


http://www.thenation.com/blog/171582/us-military-approves-bombing-children

...But a Marine official here raised questions about whether the children were “innocent.” Before calling for the M142 High Mobility Artillery Rocket System mission in mid-October, Marines observed the children digging a hole in a dirt road in Nawa district, the official said, and the Taliban may have recruited the children to carry out the mission.

Shockingly, the article quotes a senior officer saying that the military isn’t just out to bomb “military age males,” anymore, but kids, too:

“It kind of opens our aperture,” said Army Lt. Col. Marion “Ced” Carrington, whose unit, 1st Battalion, 508th Parachute Infantry Regiment, was assisting the Afghan police. “In addition to looking for military-age males, it’s looking for children with potential hostile intent.”

“Opens our aperture,” indeed.
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Purposely aiming bombs at children: "It kind of opens our aperture." (Original Post) woo me with science Dec 2012 OP
Good God leftstreet Dec 2012 #1
WTF. I hope he can live with this on his conscience because I would have to kill roguevalley Dec 2012 #35
Kids, don't play in the road, and don't bury your pet turtle. Don't. leveymg Dec 2012 #2
Don't go outside. woo me with science Dec 2012 #3
This is just madness. The longer we stay, the more death we bring. leveymg Dec 2012 #6
Where did you get that crazy idea? UnrepentantLiberal Dec 2012 #21
I recall that photo was taken during the dying months of the Vietnam War. leveymg Dec 2012 #27
Thankfully she survived. UnrepentantLiberal Dec 2012 #29
Thank you for that. leveymg Dec 2012 #37
All are suspect. Bombs away. Luminous Animal Dec 2012 #4
They hate us for our freedoms. WinkyDink Dec 2012 #5
Even the little ones, apparently. woo me with science Dec 2012 #8
It is beyond words. And the ease with what they admit compared to ten years ago when sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #7
Excellent point. Under Bush people would be screaming leftstreet Dec 2012 #11
Think of what they don't hide now Hydra Dec 2012 #19
This: CrispyQ Dec 2012 #44
Holy fuck I hate to hear things like this. I hate that these things are happening. Whovian Dec 2012 #9
Have we had enough yet? nt woo me with science Dec 2012 #10
This is horrifying. No words. Melinda Dec 2012 #12
And yet if you say anything slightly critical of the U.S. military, even here on DU, Arugula Latte Dec 2012 #13
What has happened to America? nm rhett o rick Dec 2012 #14
This is not new. We've always bombed kids, even purposely. Fantastic Anarchist Dec 2012 #18
I think it's getting a lot more blatant. nm rhett o rick Dec 2012 #31
We used to have the grace to be ashamed of it. Jackpine Radical Dec 2012 #51
It's sick 6spokewheels Dec 2012 #38
I am guessing that the big corporations in Japan conspired to have the bombs dropped on civilians nm rhett o rick Dec 2012 #40
Oh my god. MynameisBlarney Dec 2012 #15
Only a sick fuck nation whatchamacallit Dec 2012 #16
Thank god we killed them before some evil terrorist got to them Orrex Dec 2012 #17
This day on DU is continuing to go down the drain ReRe Dec 2012 #20
Criticize the Politicians Sending Our Troops to War mckara Dec 2012 #22
I don't live in their reality and I never will because I refuse to participate in this slaughter Downtown Hound Dec 2012 #25
That's my feeling too. truedelphi Dec 2012 #28
Absolutely zipplewrath Dec 2012 #26
No, let's criticize everybody involved in murdering children. I repeat: MURDERING CHILDREN. LeftyMom Dec 2012 #34
Thank you. woo me with science Dec 2012 #46
k/r Solly Mack Dec 2012 #23
According to the Marines they saw three children digging... actslikeacarrot Dec 2012 #24
And those same troops often come back home to be police officers dealing with OUR loved ones. DaniDubois Dec 2012 #30
Those guys no longer see Afghani's as human beings Marrah_G Dec 2012 #32
From the article: "ages 8 to 12" woo me with science Dec 2012 #33
Afghani average age is 18 years old. Child soldiers are a fact of life in EVERY war. riderinthestorm Dec 2012 #36
I'd like to close that bastard's aperture. nt Bonobo Dec 2012 #39
Oh c'mon. progressoid Dec 2012 #41
du rec. nt xchrom Dec 2012 #42
Jesus God.... Cherchez la Femme Dec 2012 #43
Kick. Ignoring it does not make it go away. woo me with science Dec 2012 #45
Yes, the silence from the 'left' has been deafening. I also wonder what happened sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #48
Kick. Ignoring it does not make it go away. woo me with science Dec 2012 #47
Kick. Ignoring it does not make it go away. woo me with science Dec 2012 #49
Wow. nt ZombieHorde Dec 2012 #50
Ok, this is now my new euphemism for doing terrible things jollyreaper2112 Dec 2012 #52
I think I will do that, too. woo me with science Jan 2013 #54
k&r - Just came across this searching for something else. nt bananas Jan 2013 #53

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
3. Don't go outside.
Wed Dec 5, 2012, 03:05 PM
Dec 2012

In fact, don't live here.

Now we are getting Third Way threads attempting to justify AIMING bombs at children.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
6. This is just madness. The longer we stay, the more death we bring.
Wed Dec 5, 2012, 03:10 PM
Dec 2012

I used to believe somehow that Americans had values, even in war. So much for my last remaining illusions of national exception.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
27. I recall that photo was taken during the dying months of the Vietnam War.
Wed Dec 5, 2012, 05:36 PM
Dec 2012

Won the Pulitzer Prize in, what was it, 1974? Also remember reading somewhere the little girl died of the napalm burns. What a waste. We haven't really learned anything about becoming human in my lifetime.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
7. It is beyond words. And the ease with what they admit compared to ten years ago when
Wed Dec 5, 2012, 03:11 PM
Dec 2012

at least they tried to hide these things.

Well, there is no one left in this country to speak out against these horrors done in our name. At least when Bush was president the Left was loudly opposed to all of it.

leftstreet

(36,108 posts)
11. Excellent point. Under Bush people would be screaming
Wed Dec 5, 2012, 03:46 PM
Dec 2012

The antiwar movement = on vacation for 8 years apparently

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
19. Think of what they don't hide now
Wed Dec 5, 2012, 05:11 PM
Dec 2012

Torture, Drone Assassination, Billions in embezzlement, Spying on us everywhere...and now killing children so we can eventually wipe them all out. AKA: Genocide.

We have me the enemy, and they are running our Gov't.

 

Whovian

(2,866 posts)
9. Holy fuck I hate to hear things like this. I hate that these things are happening.
Wed Dec 5, 2012, 03:39 PM
Dec 2012

Under any presidency. Xan we just get the fuck out of there already????

 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
13. And yet if you say anything slightly critical of the U.S. military, even here on DU,
Wed Dec 5, 2012, 04:19 PM
Dec 2012

you will get piled on and told that you are a disgrace.

Fantastic Anarchist

(7,309 posts)
18. This is not new. We've always bombed kids, even purposely.
Wed Dec 5, 2012, 05:08 PM
Dec 2012

I harbor no illusions that this is just something that happened recently.

 

6spokewheels

(11 posts)
38. It's sick
Thu Dec 6, 2012, 01:52 AM
Dec 2012

We chose to drop the H-bomb on every man, woman, child and creature in Hiroshima. And we've come up with some duzies, to explain it away. Cold-blooded murder, in the name of payback for an unfortunate targeted attack to a military installment.

Chickenhawks?...no, sometimes more like chickenshithawks.

 

mckara

(1,708 posts)
22. Criticize the Politicians Sending Our Troops to War
Wed Dec 5, 2012, 05:25 PM
Dec 2012

Not the commanders protecting their personnel at any cost. If you want mortality, send in the State Department, not the Defense Department. The military's tool is a hammer, not a silk glove. Criticize military leaders after you've lived a year in their reality.

Downtown Hound

(12,618 posts)
25. I don't live in their reality and I never will because I refuse to participate in this slaughter
Wed Dec 5, 2012, 05:33 PM
Dec 2012

If every American stood up and said that they wouldn't join the military and actually stuck to it, we'd be out of Iraq and Afghanistan before you could blink an eye.

Too many people out there willing to feed the machine in the name of country, honor, or just too much testosterone. We need to stop glorifying the military and war.

truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
28. That's my feeling too.
Wed Dec 5, 2012, 05:50 PM
Dec 2012

I hate war because the longer any nation is at war, the more likely that its service people start to become monsters. War is the most de-humanizing aspect of life on the planet. The best way to avoid being a nation of baby killers is not to have wars.

The last necessary war the people of the USA engaged in was WWII. The rest have all been wars for profit.

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
26. Absolutely
Wed Dec 5, 2012, 05:35 PM
Dec 2012

I've been appalled at our CIVILIAN leadership in the last 4 years. They keep choosing war, repeatedly. What this world needs is not more war, but more law enforcement. Take some folks to the Hague. Put people on trial in our courts, or any courts, for murder. Arrest people like Bin Laden, don't assassinate them.

Problem being of course is we might be asked to be judged by our own standards, and I'm not sure we'd survive that.

actslikeacarrot

(464 posts)
24. According to the Marines they saw three children digging...
Wed Dec 5, 2012, 05:30 PM
Dec 2012

...They couldn't send out Q.R.F to see what the hell was going on? Maybe followed the children home with a UAV and send a patrol there to ask some questions? Fuck escalation of force protocols I guess.

Marrah_G

(28,581 posts)
32. Those guys no longer see Afghani's as human beings
Wed Dec 5, 2012, 06:39 PM
Dec 2012

Those children are, in their minds, not real children like THEIR children.

sigh

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
33. From the article: "ages 8 to 12"
Wed Dec 5, 2012, 08:11 PM
Dec 2012

That's approximately how old Malia and Sasha were when Obama was elected.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
36. Afghani average age is 18 years old. Child soldiers are a fact of life in EVERY war.
Wed Dec 5, 2012, 11:04 PM
Dec 2012

Who do you think the Taliban (or any region in civil strife) are going to recruit? And we make for easy recruiting with our drone strikes and other despicable actions?

We needed to be out of Afghanistan years ago.

That we are still there is the crime

But statistics don't lie. Between the average Afghani age these days, and the FACT that child soldiers have ever been in "militaries" (sic) from since war began, then our best bet to be on the "right" side of this is to GET THE HELL OUT!

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
45. Kick. Ignoring it does not make it go away.
Thu Dec 6, 2012, 01:24 PM
Dec 2012

The fact that our President is a Democrat does not make it conscionable.

Our DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENT is allowing this.

We have a problem.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
48. Yes, the silence from the 'left' has been deafening. I also wonder what happened
Fri Dec 7, 2012, 01:36 AM
Dec 2012

to the Committees that were supposed to deal with torture and the restoration of Habeas Corpus and the firing of the US Attorneys, and Karl Rove's subpoenas?

What happened to Sen Leahy's Committees? It seems that as soon as we got them all elected in 2008, everything stopped. So, was it all just politics after all?

jollyreaper2112

(1,941 posts)
52. Ok, this is now my new euphemism for doing terrible things
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 05:17 PM
Dec 2012

To have one's aperture opened: to seriously contemplate the unthinkable.

Usage: "I never would have thought of having sex with a corpse but man, she was really hot and just lying there, still warm. Apertures opened, brah!"

"I'd never really considered harvesting organs from foreign orphans but then I realized nobody can tell the skin color of the person the organ came from. It kind of opened my aperture."

"I had real qualms about working for the Republicans but then they talked compensation. Opened my aperture like snorting wasabi."

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