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Wed Dec 5, 2012, 01:49 PM

Purposely aiming bombs at children: "It kind of opens our aperture."

Ignoring it does not make it go away. That the President is a Democrat does not make it morally conscionable:


http://www.thenation.com/blog/171582/us-military-approves-bombing-children

...But a Marine official here raised questions about whether the children were “innocent.” Before calling for the M142 High Mobility Artillery Rocket System mission in mid-October, Marines observed the children digging a hole in a dirt road in Nawa district, the official said, and the Taliban may have recruited the children to carry out the mission.

Shockingly, the article quotes a senior officer saying that the military isn’t just out to bomb “military age males,” anymore, but kids, too:

“It kind of opens our aperture,” said Army Lt. Col. Marion “Ced” Carrington, whose unit, 1st Battalion, 508th Parachute Infantry Regiment, was assisting the Afghan police. “In addition to looking for military-age males, it’s looking for children with potential hostile intent.”

“Opens our aperture,” indeed.

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Reply Purposely aiming bombs at children: "It kind of opens our aperture." (Original post)
woo me with science Dec 2012 OP
leftstreet Dec 2012 #1
roguevalley Dec 2012 #35
leveymg Dec 2012 #2
woo me with science Dec 2012 #3
leveymg Dec 2012 #6
UnrepentantLiberal Dec 2012 #21
leveymg Dec 2012 #27
UnrepentantLiberal Dec 2012 #29
leveymg Dec 2012 #37
Luminous Animal Dec 2012 #4
WinkyDink Dec 2012 #5
woo me with science Dec 2012 #8
sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #7
leftstreet Dec 2012 #11
Hydra Dec 2012 #19
CrispyQ Dec 2012 #44
Whovian Dec 2012 #9
woo me with science Dec 2012 #10
Melinda Dec 2012 #12
Arugula Latte Dec 2012 #13
rhett o rick Dec 2012 #14
Fantastic Anarchist Dec 2012 #18
rhett o rick Dec 2012 #31
Jackpine Radical Dec 2012 #51
6spokewheels Dec 2012 #38
rhett o rick Dec 2012 #40
MynameisBlarney Dec 2012 #15
whatchamacallit Dec 2012 #16
Orrex Dec 2012 #17
ReRe Dec 2012 #20
mckara Dec 2012 #22
Downtown Hound Dec 2012 #25
truedelphi Dec 2012 #28
zipplewrath Dec 2012 #26
LeftyMom Dec 2012 #34
woo me with science Dec 2012 #46
Solly Mack Dec 2012 #23
actslikeacarrot Dec 2012 #24
DaniDubois Dec 2012 #30
Marrah_G Dec 2012 #32
woo me with science Dec 2012 #33
riderinthestorm Dec 2012 #36
Bonobo Dec 2012 #39
progressoid Dec 2012 #41
xchrom Dec 2012 #42
Cherchez la Femme Dec 2012 #43
woo me with science Dec 2012 #45
sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #48
woo me with science Dec 2012 #47
woo me with science Dec 2012 #49
ZombieHorde Dec 2012 #50
jollyreaper2112 Dec 2012 #52
woo me with science Jan 2013 #54
bananas Jan 2013 #53

Response to woo me with science (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 01:52 PM

1. Good God

Unbelievable

As if the 'aperture' that sucks $700+ billion through the DOD hole wasn't bad enough

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Response to leftstreet (Reply #1)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 09:32 PM

35. WTF. I hope he can live with this on his conscience because I would have to kill

myself.

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Response to woo me with science (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 02:01 PM

2. Kids, don't play in the road, and don't bury your pet turtle. Don't.

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Response to leveymg (Reply #2)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 02:05 PM

3. Don't go outside.

In fact, don't live here.

Now we are getting Third Way threads attempting to justify AIMING bombs at children.

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Response to woo me with science (Reply #3)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 02:10 PM

6. This is just madness. The longer we stay, the more death we bring.

I used to believe somehow that Americans had values, even in war. So much for my last remaining illusions of national exception.

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Response to leveymg (Reply #6)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 04:25 PM

21. Where did you get that crazy idea?

 

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Response to UnrepentantLiberal (Reply #21)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 04:36 PM

27. I recall that photo was taken during the dying months of the Vietnam War.

Won the Pulitzer Prize in, what was it, 1974? Also remember reading somewhere the little girl died of the napalm burns. What a waste. We haven't really learned anything about becoming human in my lifetime.

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Response to leveymg (Reply #27)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 04:59 PM

29. Thankfully she survived.

 

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Response to UnrepentantLiberal (Reply #29)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 11:50 PM

37. Thank you for that.

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Response to woo me with science (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 02:07 PM

4. All are suspect. Bombs away.

We are monsters.

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Response to woo me with science (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 02:07 PM

5. They hate us for our freedoms.

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Response to WinkyDink (Reply #5)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 02:32 PM

8. Even the little ones, apparently.

They are smaller targets, but they can't run as fast.

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Response to woo me with science (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 02:11 PM

7. It is beyond words. And the ease with what they admit compared to ten years ago when

at least they tried to hide these things.

Well, there is no one left in this country to speak out against these horrors done in our name. At least when Bush was president the Left was loudly opposed to all of it.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #7)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 02:46 PM

11. Excellent point. Under Bush people would be screaming

The antiwar movement = on vacation for 8 years apparently

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #7)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 04:11 PM

19. Think of what they don't hide now

Torture, Drone Assassination, Billions in embezzlement, Spying on us everywhere...and now killing children so we can eventually wipe them all out. AKA: Genocide.

We have me the enemy, and they are running our Gov't.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #7)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 10:36 AM

44. This:

"At least when Bush was president the Left was loudly opposed to all of it."

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Response to woo me with science (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 02:39 PM

9. Holy fuck I hate to hear things like this. I hate that these things are happening.

 

Under any presidency. Xan we just get the fuck out of there already????

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Response to woo me with science (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 02:42 PM

10. Have we had enough yet? nt

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Response to woo me with science (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 02:56 PM

12. This is horrifying. No words.

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Response to woo me with science (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 03:19 PM

13. And yet if you say anything slightly critical of the U.S. military, even here on DU,

you will get piled on and told that you are a disgrace.

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Response to woo me with science (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 03:28 PM

14. What has happened to America? nm

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #14)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 04:08 PM

18. This is not new. We've always bombed kids, even purposely.

I harbor no illusions that this is just something that happened recently.

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Response to Fantastic Anarchist (Reply #18)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 05:37 PM

31. I think it's getting a lot more blatant. nm

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Response to Fantastic Anarchist (Reply #18)

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 04:15 PM

51. We used to have the grace to be ashamed of it.

Some days I just want to slink away somewhere and hide.

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #14)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 12:52 AM

38. It's sick

 

We chose to drop the H-bomb on every man, woman, child and creature in Hiroshima. And we've come up with some duzies, to explain it away. Cold-blooded murder, in the name of payback for an unfortunate targeted attack to a military installment.

Chickenhawks?...no, sometimes more like chickenshithawks.

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Response to 6spokewheels (Reply #38)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 12:58 AM

40. I am guessing that the big corporations in Japan conspired to have the bombs dropped on civilians nm

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Response to woo me with science (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 03:44 PM

15. Oh my god.

This is horrible.
We MUST get out of there NOW!

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Response to woo me with science (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 03:44 PM

16. Only a sick fuck nation

would allow this in it's name.

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Response to woo me with science (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 03:54 PM

17. Thank god we killed them before some evil terrorist got to them

They might have gotten hurt!

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Response to woo me with science (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 04:14 PM

20. This day on DU is continuing to go down the drain

Too much bad news......

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Response to woo me with science (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 04:25 PM

22. Criticize the Politicians Sending Our Troops to War

Not the commanders protecting their personnel at any cost. If you want mortality, send in the State Department, not the Defense Department. The military's tool is a hammer, not a silk glove. Criticize military leaders after you've lived a year in their reality.

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Response to mckara (Reply #22)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 04:33 PM

25. I don't live in their reality and I never will because I refuse to participate in this slaughter

If every American stood up and said that they wouldn't join the military and actually stuck to it, we'd be out of Iraq and Afghanistan before you could blink an eye.

Too many people out there willing to feed the machine in the name of country, honor, or just too much testosterone. We need to stop glorifying the military and war.

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Response to Downtown Hound (Reply #25)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 04:50 PM

28. That's my feeling too.

I hate war because the longer any nation is at war, the more likely that its service people start to become monsters. War is the most de-humanizing aspect of life on the planet. The best way to avoid being a nation of baby killers is not to have wars.

The last necessary war the people of the USA engaged in was WWII. The rest have all been wars for profit.

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Response to mckara (Reply #22)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 04:35 PM

26. Absolutely

I've been appalled at our CIVILIAN leadership in the last 4 years. They keep choosing war, repeatedly. What this world needs is not more war, but more law enforcement. Take some folks to the Hague. Put people on trial in our courts, or any courts, for murder. Arrest people like Bin Laden, don't assassinate them.

Problem being of course is we might be asked to be judged by our own standards, and I'm not sure we'd survive that.

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Response to mckara (Reply #22)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 08:25 PM

34. No, let's criticize everybody involved in murdering children. I repeat: MURDERING CHILDREN.

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Response to LeftyMom (Reply #34)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 02:13 PM

46. Thank you.

Good god.

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Response to woo me with science (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 04:29 PM

23. k/r

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Response to woo me with science (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 04:30 PM

24. According to the Marines they saw three children digging...

...They couldn't send out Q.R.F to see what the hell was going on? Maybe followed the children home with a UAV and send a patrol there to ask some questions? Fuck escalation of force protocols I guess.

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Response to woo me with science (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 05:04 PM

30. And those same troops often come back home to be police officers dealing with OUR loved ones.

 

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Response to woo me with science (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 05:39 PM

32. Those guys no longer see Afghani's as human beings

Those children are, in their minds, not real children like THEIR children.

sigh

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Response to Marrah_G (Reply #32)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 07:11 PM

33. From the article: "ages 8 to 12"

That's approximately how old Malia and Sasha were when Obama was elected.

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Response to woo me with science (Original post)

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 10:04 PM

36. Afghani average age is 18 years old. Child soldiers are a fact of life in EVERY war.

Who do you think the Taliban (or any region in civil strife) are going to recruit? And we make for easy recruiting with our drone strikes and other despicable actions?

We needed to be out of Afghanistan years ago.

That we are still there is the crime

But statistics don't lie. Between the average Afghani age these days, and the FACT that child soldiers have ever been in "militaries" (sic) from since war began, then our best bet to be on the "right" side of this is to GET THE HELL OUT!

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Response to woo me with science (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 12:54 AM

39. I'd like to close that bastard's aperture. nt

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Response to woo me with science (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 07:20 AM

41. Oh c'mon.

Our President got a Nobel Peace Prize.

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Response to woo me with science (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 07:45 AM

42. du rec. nt

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Response to woo me with science (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 10:19 AM

43. Jesus God....

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Response to woo me with science (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 12:24 PM

45. Kick. Ignoring it does not make it go away.

The fact that our President is a Democrat does not make it conscionable.

Our DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENT is allowing this.

We have a problem.

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Response to woo me with science (Reply #45)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 12:36 AM

48. Yes, the silence from the 'left' has been deafening. I also wonder what happened

to the Committees that were supposed to deal with torture and the restoration of Habeas Corpus and the firing of the US Attorneys, and Karl Rove's subpoenas?

What happened to Sen Leahy's Committees? It seems that as soon as we got them all elected in 2008, everything stopped. So, was it all just politics after all?

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Response to woo me with science (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 05:45 PM

47. Kick. Ignoring it does not make it go away.

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Response to woo me with science (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 11:35 AM

49. Kick. Ignoring it does not make it go away.

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Response to woo me with science (Original post)

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 04:07 PM

50. Wow. nt

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Response to woo me with science (Original post)

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 04:17 PM

52. Ok, this is now my new euphemism for doing terrible things

To have one's aperture opened: to seriously contemplate the unthinkable.

Usage: "I never would have thought of having sex with a corpse but man, she was really hot and just lying there, still warm. Apertures opened, brah!"

"I'd never really considered harvesting organs from foreign orphans but then I realized nobody can tell the skin color of the person the organ came from. It kind of opened my aperture."

"I had real qualms about working for the Republicans but then they talked compensation. Opened my aperture like snorting wasabi."

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Response to jollyreaper2112 (Reply #52)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 04:27 PM

54. I think I will do that, too.

Thank you.

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Response to woo me with science (Original post)

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 12:48 AM

53. k&r - Just came across this searching for something else. nt

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