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Sat Dec 1, 2012, 05:37 PM

Do these folks on TV know their facts before they open their mouths?

Saw one of them today on MSNBC...said Ted Cruz was a possible GOP contender for the POTUS.

Uhhhh...except that he wasn't born here? DUH!

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Reply Do these folks on TV know their facts before they open their mouths? (Original post)
Horse with no Name Dec 2012 OP
jody Dec 2012 #1
Tx4obama Dec 2012 #2
Motown_Johnny Dec 2012 #3
dsc Dec 2012 #5
LineLineLineNew Reply .
Motown_Johnny Dec 2012 #6
treestar Dec 2012 #8
Motown_Johnny Dec 2012 #11
JHB Dec 2012 #4
Skidmore Dec 2012 #7
KharmaTrain Dec 2012 #9
Bandit Dec 2012 #10

Response to Horse with no Name (Original post)

Sat Dec 1, 2012, 05:44 PM

1. No more so than most people who post on the internet. nt

 

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Response to Horse with no Name (Original post)

Sat Dec 1, 2012, 06:07 PM

2. Ha! He was born in Calgary, Canada. I didn't know that!


-snip-

Cruz was born in Calgary, Alberta, Canada, where his parents, Eleanor Darragh and Rafael Cruz, were working in the petroleum business. His father was a Cuban immigrant during the Cuban Revolution to the United States. His mother, an American, was reared in Delaware, in a family of Irish and Italian descent.

Ted Cruz Bio: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Cruz

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Response to Horse with no Name (Original post)

Sat Dec 1, 2012, 06:15 PM

3. Neither was McCain. What is your point?

His mother was/is an American citizen.

Do you really think we would challenge his status as a "natural born citizen"?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural-born-citizen_clause


^snip^


Status as a natural-born citizen of the United States is one of the eligibility requirements established in the United States Constitution for election to the office of President or Vice President. This requirement was intended to protect the nation from foreign influence.
The Constitution does not define the phrase natural-born citizen, and various opinions have been offered over time regarding its precise meaning. A 2011 Congressional Research Service report stated

The weight of legal and historical authority indicates that the term "natural born" citizen would mean a person who is entitled to U.S. citizenship "by birth" or "at birth", either by being born "in" the United States and under its jurisdiction, even those born to alien parents; by being born abroad to U.S. citizen-parents; or by being born in other situations meeting legal requirements for U.S. citizenship "at birth". Such term, however, would not include a person who was not a U.S. citizen by birth or at birth, and who was thus born an "alien" required to go through the legal process of "naturalization" to become a U.S. citizen.

The natural-born-citizen clause has been mentioned in passing in several decisions of the United States Supreme Court and lower courts dealing with the question of eligibility for citizenship by birth, but the Supreme Court has never directly addressed the question of a specific presidential or vice-presidential candidate's eligibility as a natural-born citizen.

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Response to Motown_Johnny (Reply #3)

Sat Dec 1, 2012, 07:13 PM

5. Cruz's parents aren't US citizens

or at least weren't when he was born. McCain's case is different. His father was literally serving abroad when he was born.

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Response to dsc (Reply #5)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 09:50 AM

6. .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Cruz

^snip^


Cruz was born in Calgary, Alberta, Canada, where his parents, Eleanor Darragh and Rafael Cruz, were working in the petroleum business. His father was a Cuban immigrant during the Cuban Revolution to the United States. His mother, an American, was reared in Delaware, in a family of Irish and Italian descent.


Cruz was born and spent the first four years of his life in Calgary before his parents returned to Houston. His father was jailed and tortured by the Fulgencio Batista regime and fought for Fidel Castro in the Cuban Revolution but "didn't know Castro was a Communist" and later became a staunch critic of Castro when "the rebel leader took control and began seizing private property and suppressing dissent." Rafael Cruz moved to Austin in 1957 to study at the University of Texas. He spoke no English and had $100 sewn into his underwear. The elder Cruz worked his way through school as a dishwasher making 50 cents an hour. Cruz’s mother, who was from Delaware, was the first person in her family ever to attend college. She earned a degree in mathematics from Rice University in Houston in the 1950s, working summers at Foley’s and Shell. Cruz has said, "I'm Cuban, Irish, and Italian, and yet somehow I ended up Southern Baptist."

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Response to Motown_Johnny (Reply #6)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 09:56 AM

8. Still need to know the details of the law the year he was born

In order to confirm that his mother lived here during the required number of years at the required ages. Sounds like it though.

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Response to treestar (Reply #8)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 11:29 AM

11. I hate the fact that this looks like I am standing up for the guy

but I think you are splitting hairs here. The guy did not need to go through the naturalization process to become a citizen. I see no reasonable argument which can be made in which he is not a natural born U.S. Citizen.

Anyways....



http://www.statesman.com/news/news/state-regional-govt-politics/could-there-be-a-president-ted-cruz-1/nRNLB/

^snip^

Here are the Cruz facts: His mom was born in Delaware. His dad was born in Cuba, came to Austin in 1957 and was not yet a U.S citizen when Ted Cruz was born Dec. 22, 1970, in Calgary, where his parents had a business. The family moved back to Houston when Ted was about 4.

A 2011 Congressional Research Service report seems to address this kind of situation. The natural-born citizen requirement, the report says, stemmed from founders' "fears at that time about wealthy European aristocracy or royalty coming to America, gaining citizenship, and then buying and scheming their way to the presidency without long-standing loyalty to the nation."


The pertinent (in my non-expert eyes) section of the report says there are several ways to meet the "natural-born citizen" requirement, including "by being born abroad to U.S. citizen-parents." That — and 270 electoral votes — seems to get Cruz into the White House. And experts tell me having one parent who is a U.S. citizen when you're born out of the country meets the standard.

A president born in Canada to a dad born in Cuba? Yep, looks like it's legal. Just as Barack Obama, even if he were foreign-born, is eligible to be president because his mom was a U.S. citizen.



http://www.texastribune.org/texas-local-news/texplainer/texplainer-could-canadian-born-ted-cruz-be-preside/


^snip^

“He almost certainly was a citizen at birth. I think that he would be eligible for the presidency,” said Peter Spiro, a professor of constitutional law at Temple University.

Cruz’s mother, Eleanor Darragh, was born in Delaware and later moved to Houston. She graduated from Rice University in 1956. By virtue of being born in the United States, she is a citizen. Because she spent most of her life before Ted Cruz was born in the U.S., he also qualified as U.S. citizen at birth.

“Ted Cruz didn’t naturalize. He was natural at birth,” said Spiro, the Temple professor

Spiro said it’s possible that a person could challenge that the laws granting citizenship at birth do not define what it is to be a natural-born citizen. In fact, the phrase “natural-born citizen” is only used once in the U.S. Code — in Article 2 of the Constitution. Such a challenge would be unlikely to change the current definitions, however, he said.




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Response to Horse with no Name (Original post)

Sat Dec 1, 2012, 06:18 PM

4. No, they just play Serious Informed People on TV

Actually knowing facts is hard work, and they don't get paid for that.

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Response to Horse with no Name (Original post)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 09:53 AM

7. No, they don't and their hosts don't either or, if they do know the facts, never confront them

on their stupidity.

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Response to Horse with no Name (Original post)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 10:00 AM

9. My Late Father Called It Mental Masturbation...

...making shit up for the sake of having something to say. It's rampant on the cables...especially over on Bullshit Mountain...

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Response to Horse with no Name (Original post)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 10:53 AM

10. Facts, we don't need no stinkin' facts.........

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