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Sounds like a pretty good idea. Better than going to a back alley or side street. And keeps the women safer.
Zurich to open drive-in sex boxes
The Swiss city of Zurich is to open drive-in sex boxes in an attempt to rid the town of street prostitution.
Zurich council has approved a plan to build the boxes, which will, it hopes, provide a discreet location for prostitutes and their clients to conduct business when they open in August next year.
Located in an industrial area of the city, the row of garage-like boxes will have roofs and walls for privacy, and easy access for cars. The council estimates that around 30 prostitutes will meet clients at the site of the boxes, and use the drive-in slots on a first-come-first-served basis.
"The big difference is that until now prostitution has been in the public space," Michael Herzig, from Zurich's social welfare department, told Swiss Radio. "Now we are going to change this, move it from the street to a private space in an old industrial area, which belongs to the city.
This gives us the possibility to define the rules of prostitution in this area."
The opening of the sex boxes will coincide with a major reform of prostitution laws in the Swiss city. Prostitution will be outlawed in certain areas of Zurich where it has taken grip, and led to local complaints about women being harassed on the streets and the activities of pimps.
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/switzerland/9708726/Zurich-to-open-drive-in-sex-boxes.html
hedda_foil
(16,373 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Isn't that like putting the cart before the horse?
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UnrepentantLiberal
(11,700 posts)Tutonic
(2,522 posts)n/t
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)Maybe they can buy the name, Jiffy Lube?
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service with a smile
Democracyinkind
(4,015 posts)There's a stereotype about the german language... What was it again?
JI7
(89,248 posts)"Prostitution will be outlawed in certain areas of Zurich where it has taken grip, and led to local complaints about women being harassed on the streets and the activities of pimps."
how is this going to make things any better ?
Democracyinkind
(4,015 posts)First, and this is what the city (and presumably the voters, who said yes to this) is pushing: It is meant as a service to the prostitutes. They will be able to perform their work in a safe, controlled environment. It's easier to supervise and assist sex workers when they all work in a centralized location (condoms, psychological assistance, things like that. Also, the environment is more controlled on the John's side: Rapists and people who are out to hurt sex workers will simply not show up at such a place. Then there's also hygiene, and stuff like that.
Then again, the real reason for this is more straighforward: In Switzerland, we go by a "not visible, not troublesome philosophy". 20 years ago, this city had an open drug scene. Everyone was panicking. They clamped down on that and now the drug scene in Zurich is totally hidden, taking place in alleys ind dark corners that just don't seem to rile up the good people of Zurich anymore (except when it's your dark alley that theyre using to shoot up). Don't get me wrong here, there was much more to Zurich's drug policy than simply making the addicts invisible, but that was a big part of it too.
I really think that, aside from useful arguments about working safety for sex workers, this is a typically Swiss example of "we only care if we have to see it" or better yet "if we don't see it, we just don't have to deal with it"...
On the other hand, this solution, in practical terms, means better working conditions for alot of women that currently are exposed to very nasty working conditions.
So I'm not sure what to think of this. I voted yes though. But I can't lose the feeling that the majority of people that voted like me weren't really thinking about bettering the sex workers lives but rather had a "clean up the (inner) city" attittude.
tama
(9,137 posts)BTW my girlfriend is half Swiss and doesn't have that mania.
And congrats on direct participative democracy making another practical and sensible decision. Free heroin for hopeless addicts was also practical and sensible policy with good results.
Democracyinkind
(4,015 posts)Manual labor, after dropping out of school.
Everyday, after work, Max, my boss, would drive to this place and shoot up his methadone. Go home to his wife, kids. Pay taxes. Being loved. Educating his kids. Stuff people do.
7 years before that, he was a foul-smelling junkie, breaking in to houses in order to finance his addiction.
And although this is a ridiculously ideal outcome that can't be replicated for everyone, it goes a long way in proving that there is merit in second chances.
My biography alone forced me to seriously appreciate what it means to get a second chance (Would I hold a PhD today, living in any other place, after simply walking away from school for almost 2 years?..). But it was Max's example, more than any other personal experience, that taught me that believing in and offering second chances, even in the most hopeless situations, may be the right thing for a society to do. Sometimes reality beats fiction even in beautiful things.
Then again, and this I would want to emphasize... Not all is ideal here (where is it, anyway..)... There's still allot to do right, allot to strive for, allot to achieve. Considering how cartoonishly nice the living standards are in Switzerland it is easy to forget those who live in the shadows of it. And it's also way too easy to simply ignore all the dark and evil stuff that takes place within this shining city on the hill. There's always more to struggle for, and that's what I'm trying to do as best as I can.
Well anyway.. Say hi to your gf from a fellow Swiss-American (Tacitly mention to her that she's eligible to vote here, too, and that we're often in lack of reasonable voters?.. )
tama
(9,137 posts)She's actually Swiss-Finn with double citizenship, and I'm full Finn. She has lived in zillion places in Switzerland (including in bordel), mostly in various communes. She has never voted there but has been in many demonstrations. She's one of the models in this picture:
http://www.hotsquat.ch/
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)i stayed there a few days about 30 years ago & have only two specific memories of it -- one was the most comfortable bed i ever slept in in some inn (because of some kind of eiderdown mattress & coverlet arrangement) & the other is how spotless & picture-perfect everything seemed.
Democracyinkind
(4,015 posts)Not american dimensions, but it def. consists of two distinct parts - the city proper and the suburbs.
The open drug scene was located in a park next to the main train station. It started tamely in the 1980's, but by the early 90's you could find groups of hundreds roaming the parks, doing drugs, selling them, sharing needles, and all the criminal activity that comes with that. I know it's strange to think of Switzerland, Zurich especially, as having an open drug scene. I've seen it with my own eyes when I was a kid, yet sometimes it feels like something I saw in the movies, not something that actually happened.
But yes, Switzerland is all about being spotless and picture perfect, at least to tourist's superficial glances. There's misery enough to be found, even here, where all are rich and neat. Maybe it's only a question of degrees, or dimension, who knows.
One thing is for sure though: It must have been way cheaper to visit Zurich 30 years ago.
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)which was why we didn't stay long. the 'inn' was actually someone's house, kind of old-style farmhouse and we were up in a big attic with no windows. but the bed was heaven.
now that i think about it, we came by train -- in my memory, the station didn't seem that big -- not like you'd see in a major city. i wonder if we were actually *in* zurich at all.
it's all pretty much a blur to me now, & the ex got the pictures.
Democracyinkind
(4,015 posts)I'd be curious to find out where you were... And if you ever feel like coming again, do so, and don't worry about accomodations
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)legalization makes things worse.
Berlum
(7,044 posts)nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)of harm reduction.
name not needed
(11,660 posts)I'm not even touching that one.
CBGLuthier
(12,723 posts)Sorry in advance to everyone who will find offense in the "joke."
Jeff In Milwaukee
(13,992 posts)Uh...Super-Size Me?
Democracyinkind
(4,015 posts)We voted on this back in March... It was 52.6% yes to 47.4%. About 40% of eligible voters cast their ballots. This measure came before the people because our local version of the Republicans, the SVP, couldn't fathom that the city council was "openly promoting prostitution" (although it's a legal trade here).
Unsurprisingly, the people that actually live in the part of town where it will be built rejected the proposition (64% no, 36% yes).
The area were this is going to be implemented is right next to the train tracks, rather at the outskirts of Zurich.
This is not a definitive project. They're going to build something there, sooner or later. The project, as voted on, is meant to last for 10 years. Then the city will assess what effect it had and consider installing a long-term version somewhere else.
I couldn't find the cost of it all just now, but the City believes that it will be paying about 550'000 Swiss francs a year (exchange rate more or less 1:1 nowadays) to maintain it (counselors for the sex workers, security, repairs, clean up).
The whole measure was put on the ballot because on-street sex working has become rampant within 3 parts of the city due to our new arrangement with the EU (Switzerland is not a member), which allows any EU citizen to come to Switzerland to work. The women that sell themselves on the street are predominantly from eastern Europe (Romania and Hungary) and are almost exclusively gypsies (german: Roma, I don't know the PC word in english) in their ethnic makeup. The situation as it is now (pre-boxes) has the city in a furor, and that was the primary motivation to get this project running.
Cities in the Netherlands (Utrecht) and Germany ( Essen, Cologne) have been the pioneers of this, and that's where the idea came from.
Local sex-worker advocates are supportive of the whole measure, but they insist that these boxes are not ideal for every kind of sex worker and they have urged the police to not ramp up actions against those sex workers who want to (or have to) keep working the streets.
LeftyMom
(49,212 posts)Thanks for the explanation.
LadyHawkAZ
(6,199 posts)Thank you; the article didn't make that clear and that was my big concern.
It's better than nothing I suppose. I hope it works out well for all.
Poll_Blind
(23,864 posts)PB
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Democracyinkind
(4,015 posts)It's very telling when the LTE's in the local paper on this issue have more substance than what DU has to say about it.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)i expect no less.
LeftinOH
(5,354 posts)a dude outside taking money. This was in a grubby parking lot in Seville, Spain. Whether the location is a stationary box or a mobile unit, legal or not legal, it's still pretty damn skeezy.
I don't know how widespread this particular practice is, but the vans are called "follonetas" (which basically means "f*ck-mobiles" .
bongbong
(5,436 posts)Liars and swindlers like Flip-Flopper (Rmoney) and the rest of the reich-wing "God wants me to be rich, contrary to what my Bible says!" crowd have lots of dough stashed in Switzerland to avoid taxes (since they hate America).
Doesn't this violate their beliefs? Will they pull their "hard-earned" money out of Zurich?
LadyHawkAZ
(6,199 posts)"No, really, I need to check on the safe deposit box. I'll be back in a few days..."
undeterred
(34,658 posts)Just trying to get the Horse and the Cart in the right order here.