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" or, proceeded when she finally "gave it up" after hours of saying "No"
and slapping hands ... her weeping and biting her lip"
If someone tried to rape me, the only thing I'd "give up" would be
my foot to his balls or my fist to his face. Somehow, it seems a
better strategy than "weeping", "slapping hands" or "biting" lips. 
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A robber or a murderer may not "care" if one is empowered either.
Isn't that why we have this thing called a CriminaL Justice System?
The level of caring in all violent criminals tends to rise when their victim's
"empowerment" comes at the point of a gun, knife, or something else
that can hurt him as much as he's trying to hurt her.
Just a thought. 
I'm not clever enough to be smart ass... however, I am clever enough to see the point- as I imagine you are too.
that you are attempting to make sound like this to me:
Violence is the best answer to the problem since men can't be taught to engage in socially acceptable behavior, after all they spend their early years planted in front of a screen that subliminally indoctrinates them to the general culture of violence as the norm. Video games, TeeVee, movies and advertising all promote the concept that women are objects and vessels of male satisfaction. From clothing ads to the whores wandering the streets in video games that are predominantly glorification vectors for violence, all teach young men and justify the ideals of misguided older men that women are to be raped, all they want is sex and to be violated because men write the ads and programming and scripts that present that sort of idealism. And then there's the sick fashion industry that is designed to convince women that they are something less than a full human if they aren't buying in to the hype that sexy is all they should aspire to be, and look at the styles that are promoted...
If males are going to attend college with the pretense of becoming educated, there is an absolute, undeniable need for guidelines and protocols on appropriate behavior with regard to women and their rights to be included in that education, period. Unless you have been educated about these factors, and you're male, you don't have a clue.
Real men aren't afraid of real knowledge.
and Thank You.
It's what happens when you've seen too many excuses for bad behavior... along with a degree in cultural anthropology. It just sort of came out after I read a number of stupid comments from that rape apologist that, I'm guessing, was censured at about the same time as I wrote that.
I just don't do well with ignorance by choice.
Just Wow! 
You should come with a warning sign because you clearly DON'T GIVE A SHIT whether or not it's consensual. Making rape "jokes" on DU. Now I truly have seen it all on this board.
Even with a lot of evidence.
WELCOME TO DU!! 
Instead of beating myself up for using poor judgment, I try to channel those feelings into educating people of all ages about gender issues and hidden biases. I have a long way to go in my own personal growth, but I hope I am moving in the right direction. 
or if they do get "the talk", they don't believe their parents. It's a tough issue, because for many girls/young women who go away to college or move out from the familial home, their first foray into independence often includes stepping across many lines..some of them potentially dangerous.
I do think that the recent "crops" of young people are more savvy than those of my era (freshman in college in 1968). Things seemed more mysterious then, and the urge to experiment was overpowering to many..
I am 63 and most of my friends throughout the years have had experiences of date-rape...near date-rape, and for many of us, downright "unfriendly" plain ole rape.
Drinking & drugs often present the "opportunity", and sometimes that's all it takes 
And as such, I won't rec it. I'm not anti-Feminism by any means, but...
"How to Avoid Getting Raped" could mean anything from horrible ("Don't wear slutty clothing, ya sluts!"
to actually useful ("Take a cab if you've had a few drinks; know your route home ahead of time, etc." The former category is undeniably offensive, and I think everyone here knows it. But if you're on you're own in a large city for the first time in your young life, the latter category is simply being smart and safe--my girlfriend wasn't at all insulted when she moved to Brooklyn and her roommate told her which empty, warehouse-lined streets to avoid late at night, regardless of her attire. But again, we don't know the details.
As for the starkly worded "Don't Rape," it's illegal and most people smart enough to be at college know it's illegal. If you're 18 years old and you don't understand that yet, why would a lecture from your freshman college orientation change your mind? If someone set 18-year-old me down in a room with other guys and told me "You know, you really shouldn't be thinking about raping people," I'd be insulted as hell. But again, we don't know the details.
Now, if she means "no means no" education, she has a point, I guess--although that isn't strictly a safety issue and thus really doesn't fall under the responsibility of freshman orientation, which (last time I went through it) was mostly about getting you through the next four years in one piece. It's more in the realm of High School Health, which I remember covered sexual assault pretty thoroughly. Should they cover this issue just in case young men didn't receive this education? And then go on to cover other issues like drugs and suicide and gun violence and...this is ORIENTATION. Usually organized by student volunteers. Their responsibility for the decisions legally-adult students choose to make over the last 4 years is LIMITED at best. BUT. ONCE AGAIN. WE DON'T KNOW THE DETAILS of this college and this young woman.
I'm anti-rape and pro-woman, but I dislike hollow context-free self-righteousness for its own sake. And I'm bored at work, which explains why this went on so long.
(Sorry, I've been reading too much Fire & Ice books lately.)
...and the conversation that ensued was just as obnoxious.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021898292
It's frightening, yet illuminating.
they are just right? there are even "cutsey" little sayings men have made up for it. how many times in the many many times a boy sees this, does another man say.... fuck no, that would be rape?
ya, tell me how there is NOTHING to learn.
how about yale university, young men walking thru freshman pod with a cutsey little chant, no means yes.
For good measure they also reportedly chanted "Fucking sluts." The Yale Daily News reports that they also yelled stuff like, "My name is Jack, I’m a necrophiliac, I fuck dead women." Our future CEO's of America in action! Of course, the DKE president has apologized for "the serious lapse in judgment" and declared that the fraternity does not condone sexual violence. But The Women’s Center at Yale isn't placated, and calls the incident “hate speech” and “an active call for sexual violence.”
And Good Feed reports that Broad Recognition, a Yale feminist publication, is demanding administrative action against DKE. "Yale women are not new to fraternity misogyny, nor are we a stranger to our administration sitting on their hands and doing absolutely nothing about it," Hannah Zeavin wrote in an editorial.
http://gothamist.com/2010/10/15/video_yale_frat_boys_chant_no_means.php
how about amherst university our young men making up a tshirt of a near naked girl, roasting on a spit over a fire, with visible bruises.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/18/amherst-sexual-assault-tshirt-rape-sexual-violence_n_1982159.html
nah, our guys absolutely need no education. they got it down.
