Trump is fucked now. Right? Right?!

[Mr.WeRP]

I mean, jurors were caught smirking at the defense’s attempt to impeach Cohen’s credibility. And from most former prosecution and defense attorneys on actual news media that are not former Trump attorneys are saying that conviction is likely at this point unless there is a hung jury (and no, I don’t agree with those here who think there is a Trumper in the jury). The evidence is overwhelming and Trump is tied to the crime with first hand witness testimony.

The only real defense left is for Trump to take the stand and deny everything Cohen said. And we all know how that would go.

The remaining question at this point is if Trump will serve time, and if so how much?

[Ocelot II]

1. It ain't over til it's over. Trials are always a crapshoot.

[peppertree]

15. And worst of all, it's not affecting Needy Amin's poll numbers

Once convicted, that might change - but probably not by much.

Ultimately, of course, the economy will be the deciding factor - and there's no shortage of miscreants who are in a position to sabotage that in some way.

Putin (will he go nuclear?); Bibi (will he stage a false flag in some embassy?); Big Awl (will they push up gas prices for no reason, like they did in 2000?); Wall Street (will they go short - knowing that could derail Biden, while making a bundle anyway?).

[lees1975]

19. It is drastically affecting his poll numbers, no one is letting you see that, though.

There's no media circus if his conviction is a slam dunk, and if they can't convince Americans that half of us are raving, stupid lunatics who will stick by the devil regardless. That's a load of crap, we all know it.

[peppertree]

21. I hope you're right

I look forward to nothing more than seeing pollsters eat their words in November - with a big, rancid plate of egg on their face.

Orange, of course.

[LiberalFighter]

27. Yes! Saying half are raving, stupid lunatics is crazy.

100% of those eligible to vote are not registered to vote. Even those registered to vote don't all vote

They just throw numbers out there.

And everyone in a group like the Republican Party are not all crazy.

[Iwasthere]

40. TRUE. His poll numbers are total BS, they are not true

The media is complicit, again. The nation is being played, by the likes of Katy turd, etc...

[ArkansasDemocrat1]

36. Love the nick Needy Amin lolol n/t

[peppertree]

39. Why, thank you

That's one of my favorite things about DU: the great puns.

Back when His Flatulence was still in office, I once called him Orange Amin - when someone replied with that one: a 'Needy Amin'.

Classic.

[Prairie Gates]

2. I think it's a coin toss that he gets acquitted

[NoRethugFriends]

12. No it isn't. He does not get acquitted. Hung jury is his best possibility

[whopis01]

23. A hung jury would be a massive victory for him.

The spin, both from him and the media, would be that this is proof that there are no crimes and all the indictments are purely political.

[NoRethugFriends]

32. That is definitely true

[Prairie Gates]

37. I guess we'll see

[LiberalFighter]

31. He won't get acquitted.

There might be a hung jury but I think the prosecutors have a solid case to convict.

[jimfields33]

3. The defense hasn't even started yet.

Let’s wait to see how that goes.

[unblock]

8. They might do themselves a favor and proceed straight to closing arguments

Not sure who they call in his defense, but I think odds are good they can only do themselves more damage.

[jimfields33]

9. Probably. Then it's best for the prosecutor to encourage they do the witnesses and process.

Anything to add to the jury finding guilt is a positive.

[AZ8theist]

22. No, no, no....take your time!

The longer he stays in court the less we see his imbecilic speeches.

And the more chances he'll be jailed for violating the gag order.

[unblock]

35. Well they might come up with something just to drag it out

They may figure the longer the trial, the more stuff in it to provide a pretense for an appeal....

[Happy Hoosier]

10. Based on their performance so far, I think they have nuthin'

There is always a chance of a hung jury. I think chances of acquital are near 0.

[Raven123]

4. I hope the prosecution's closing is strong, clear, concise and simple

[berksdem]

5. I am not...

holding my breath honestly.

[bucolic_frolic]

6. In a reasonable world your line of thinking is impeccable.

Jury is a civic duty, hard to imagine a strong case can be derailed by a biased juror though the likelihood is not zero. But evidence and logic trump outside news flow, background, partisanship.

[sarisataka]

11. *sigh* never fails...

[orangecrush]

14. Welcome to DU

You are new, so perhaps don't understand the racist prison rape reference.

[RandiFan1290]

24. Zombie account from 2017 nt

[Ms. Toad]

26. Rape is not something to joke about. n/t

[rzemanfl]

38. Right you are. Know any sock jokes? n/t

[sarisataka]

42. Knock, knock

"Who's there?"
"Heel."
"Heel who?"
"Heel be back, just going to find his other sock!"

[rzemanfl]

43. Thank you!

Much appreciated.

[Oneironaut]

44. Not trying to pile on the poster further, but, it's amazing how normalized jokes about rape still are.

People just say this shit without thinking, mostly because it isn’t taboo enough yet.

There’s no justification for doing so, and, this is also a wider cultural issue that we haven’t dealt with yet, imo.

[Ms. Toad]

45. Years ago a group I was with (WAVAW) did a slide show

Putting slides of advertisements that were using subtle rape imagery to sell products against nearly identical images of rape pornography. Sometimes it takes something that obvious as a wake-up call.

So it starts long before joking about rape - back in the acceptance of casual use of violence/subjucation of women to sell products (among other things).

[SoFlaBro]

29. Are you fucking around or just kinda casually encouraging sexual assault?

[orangecrush]

13. Trump isn't anything

Until after Joe Biden wins the election, imo.

Complacency is the enemy.

[Warpy]

16. With 2025% of his party casting protest votes in the primary

he can kiss a second term goodbye. Those people are disgusted enough to vote for a Democrat or sit the election out and he can't afford a single one of those.

The rest conirm our suspicion that the Republicans have devolved into follow the leader useless prats.

[70sEraVet]

28. I'm counting on many of his previous supporters to sit this election out

Which would be DEVASTATING for the Party as a whole! After all, who actually takes the trouble to go to the voting booth so they can vote for Ted Cruz or Matt Gaetz?

[Warpy]

41. True believers will want to vote down ticket

so I think RFK Jr is going to make a great showing. I just don't see how That Fucking Grifter is going to win with that much of his party in full rebellion. And with his lunatic DIL as co chair of the party, they're probably going to try to run Eric next time.

[Ms. Toad]

34. That is no more true for Trump, than it is for Biden.

The primary is an opportunity to send a message that you are not happy with a candidate - especially if the outcome of the primary is a foregone conclusion. It does not inherently mean that you are unhappy enough that you will not show up and vote for him in November.

I considered not voting in the presidential race in our Primary because I am extremely unhappy with his Mideast policy, and with my tax dollars going to buy weapons used in Gaza. I don't recall what I actually decided to do. But even if I did, there is no way I would have stayed home or voted for Trump, or a third party candidate in November.

I think voting against Trump in the primary has less chance of working than not voting for Biden in the primary (which seems to be impacting his Middle East policy). But assuming they won't ultimately vote for Trump is a dangerous assumption.

[TBF]

17. Most likely hung jury, but best case is probably probation

I'd love to see him carted off to prison, just have a hard time believing that will happen here.

[Emile]

18. Trump faces 34 felony counts of falsifying

business records to cover up a hush money payment to adult film actress Stormy Daniels.

Each count carries a maximum sentence of four years.

[Dave Bowman]

25. I wouldn't mind him getting a 136 years sentence.

For all the people who suffered because of that orange traitor it would be a bare minimum.

[Emile]

33. Definitely what he deserves!

[Joinfortmill]

20. Hope so. 2 jurors might be Trump supporters.

[Midnight Writer]

30. He won't go to prison over this. At worst, he will get a fine, which he will appeal ad infinitum.