ICJ: Egypt backs South Africa's genocide case against Israel

[David__77]

EGYPT has officially backed South Africa’s genocide case against Israel at the International Court of Justice (ICJ).

The country’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs highlighted that Egypt’s move to intervene in the legal proceedings in motivated by the intensifying gravity and extent of Israeli assaults targeting Palestinian civilians in the Gaza Strip.

“These attacks include deliberate targeting of civilians, infrastructure destruction, forced displacement, and creating unbearable living conditions, leading to an unprecedented humanitarian crisis in Gaza,” the statement said.

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Explaining what the impact of Egypt's move could be, Professor Alison Phipps said: "This is very serious. Egypt's move is important. It removes Egypt from possibility of acting as a 'neutral mediator'.

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https://www.thenational.scot/news/24314608.icj-egypt-backs-south-africas-genocide-case-israel/

[malaise]

1. So do I

For what it’s worth

Rec

[Mountainguy]

2. So Egypt thinks there is a genocide....

in a place that they could literally open a gate and allow those people to escape from?

So....why don't they?

[David__77]

3. They don't wish to abet ethnic cleansing. Gazas people are already in their homeland.

[thucythucy]

4. So countries opening their borders to Jews trying to escape from the Holocaust

would have been abetting "ethnic cleansing?"

Does this mean you would have supported nations like the US refusing entrance to Jewish refugees from 1933 to 1945?

By contrast, India opened its borders to Bengali refugees during the atrocities in what was then "East Pakistan."

You think this was a bad move?

It seems to me that by far the most important thing in any such situation is to save as many lives as possible, and ideological or political considerations be damned. Once those lives are saved, then work out the rest.

You disagree?

[David__77]

5. I relayed their stated rationale. No air quotes needed on ethnic cleansing.

[thucythucy]

6. That may be the stated rationale of the Egyptian government,

but I asked for your position on this.

Do you think Egypt closing its border to Palestinian refugees is the moral thing to do, especially given that it maintains what is happening in Gaza is genocide?

If I thought Canada was carrying out a genocide against the Quebecois, I'd be appalled if the US closed its borders to people trying to flee. I think it was a shameful chapter in the history of the world that most nations, including the US, refused safe haven to Jews trying to flee the Holocaust.

Do you not agree?

[sarisataka]

7. If they don't want to abet ethnic cleansing

And watch Palestinians be killed, are they not then abetting genocide, if they believe that is happening?

[David__77]

8. They certainly are collaborating with Israel.

[sarisataka]

9. So Egypt is collaborating with Israel

In a genocide of Gazans. At the same time they are intervening in the ICJ case South Africa has brought against Israel.

Normally I would say that makes no sense however, because of the uniqueness of the situation, the doublethink is not at all surprising.

[David__77]

11. The main mechanism of collaboration is the peace treaty.

[sarisataka]

14. Collaborating on a peace treaty

With a country they are accusing of genocide. A genocide they won't help people escape because that would be abetting ethnic cleansing...

Stop digging

[David__77]

15. I understand that many people think that the mass removal of Gaza people isn't ethnic cleansing.

Some even think that the people of Gaza aren’t already in their own homeland.

[sarisataka]

16. You would have to go find those people

Since I still advocate the two state solution; my position has never changed.

It seems to me at least, Egypt not allowing Gazans to escape a genocide would be akin to the turning away the S.S.St Louis. If Egypt truly believes genocide is happening.

[thucythucy]

17. You seem to be avoiding the issue.

I'll ask again: do think it is morally right or wrong to refuse safe haven to people you believe are victims of genocide?

You posted an OP to share the position of the Egyptian government viz a viz Gaza, and thus started this discussion. Certainly the actions of that government raise these sorts of questions.

I would point out that various European nations accepted roughly three quarters of a million refugees created by the Serb campaign of ethnic cleansing during the 1990s.

Was this the wrong thing to do? Should the various nations have instead closed their borders with Bosnia in order not to be complicit with Serb ethnic cleansing?

[thucythucy]

19. And I understand that some people believe Hamas to be "freedom fighters."

Some even believe that Jews have no right to exist.

And of course you still haven't answered the obvious questions posed by the story you felt it vital to share.

[Beastly Boy]

12. What exactly is Egypt collaborating with Israel on? Genocide, ethnic cleansing or both?

[Beastly Boy]

10. So Egypt's solution to not abetting ethnic cleansing is... abetting genocide.

And Israel's only alternative to genocide is... ethnic cleansing.

Am I getting this right? When I get to choose what words mean and what they don't, seems like a perfectly reasonable conclusion to me!

[LeftInTX]

13. Egypt is currently blocking aid into Gaza. Kinda hypocritical if you ask me.

Egypt refusing to coordinate with Israel on entry of aid in Rafah — state media

Egypt has refused to coordinate with Israel on the entry of aid into Gaza from the Rafah Crossing due to Israel’s “unacceptable escalation,” Egypt’s state-affiliated Alqahera News satellite TV reported on Saturday, citing a senior official.

The official also said that Egypt held Israel responsible for the deterioration of the situation in the Gaza Strip.

On May 7, Israeli forces seized the main border crossing at Rafah, closing a vital route for aid into the besieged enclave. Israel did so as it began operations against Hamas in the Rafah area, and as negotiations for a hostage deal and truce floundered.

Israeli sources told Channel 12 that Israel wants to bring in aid but cannot do so without Egyptian cooperation. Israel fears the Egyptian refusal to coordinate the entry of aid will bring intense international pressure on Israel and harm its ability to operate in Rafah.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/egypt-refusing-to-coordinate-with-israel-on-entry-of-aid-in-rafah-state-media/

Actions by Israel and Egypt Squeeze Gaza Aid Routes
Although Israel has reopened Kerem Shalom and some fuel has gone into Gaza from there, humanitarian aid like food and medicines has not been allowed through the crossing since last Sunday, according to Scott Anderson, a senior official at UNRWA, the main U.N. agency that aids Gaza.

One reason is that Egypt, where most of the aid for Gaza is collected and loaded, is resisting sending trucks toward Kerem Shalom, according to two U.S. officials and another Western official who are involved in the aid operation, as well as two Israeli officials. The American and Israeli officials believe that Egypt is trying to put pressure on Israel to pull back from the Rafah operation.

Another official familiar with the negotiations said U.S. officials — including William J. Burns, the C.I.A. director, who was in Cairo this week for Gaza cease-fire talks — have been trying to persuade Egypt to dispatch the trucks. But Egypt has rebuffed the pressure, saying it will not allow aid to flow to Kerem Shalom while Israel has closed the Rafah crossing, and casting the situation as a matter of sovereignty, a United Nations official said.

Egypt has grown increasingly nervous about Israel’s Rafah operation, in part over deep-seated fears it will push Palestinian refugees onto Egyptian soil — an outcome Egypt views as a national security threat. Israel’s presence on the Egypt-Gaza border, a border Egypt is supposed to control, has also drawn heavy domestic criticism.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/10/world/middleeast/gaza-aid-rafah-israel-egypt.html

[Cha]

18. Fucking hypocrites.