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appleannie1

(5,074 posts)
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 07:01 PM Nov 2012

White Man Shoots And Kills Black Student In Florida After Argument Over Loud Music

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Less than nine months after Trayvon Martin was shot and killed in central Florida, another black teenage student was killed under suspicious circumstances.
Michael David Dunn, a 45-year-old vice president of Dunn & Dunn Data Systems in Vero Beach, was in Jacksonville this past weekend for his son’s wedding. The Orlando Sentinel details what happened on Friday when Dunn, a gun collector, encountered Jordan Russell Davis, a student at nearby magnet school Samuel W. Wolfson High:
Jordan Russell Davis, 17, and several other teenagers were sitting in a sport utility vehicle in the parking lot when Dunn pulled up next to them in a car and asked them to turn down their music, [Jacksonville sheriff's Lt. Rob] Schoonover said.
Jordan and Dunn exchanged words, and Dunn pulled a gun and shot eight or nine times, striking Jordan twice, Schoonover said. Jordan was sitting in the back seat. No one else was hurt.Dunn’s attorney Monday said her client acted responsibly and in self-defense. She did not elaborate.
Schoonover also said that “there were words exchanged” between the two, and Dunn claims to have felt “threatened” before opening fire.
According to his father Ron Davis, the teenager died in the arms of his friend in the car. Ron said his son was unarmed.

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/11/27/1244411/jordan-russell-davis/

This defense crap has caused open season on unarmed black people. Hopefully sanity prevails and that angry bigot spends the rest of his life looking at cement blocks and steel bars.

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White Man Shoots And Kills Black Student In Florida After Argument Over Loud Music (Original Post) appleannie1 Nov 2012 OP
defending himself against loud music ? the fucker was looking to kill someone JI7 Nov 2012 #1
I agree. AverageJoe90 Nov 2012 #2
No ... Let's be fair ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2012 #36
Yeah, Florida's definitely gone way downhill. n/t AverageJoe90 Nov 2012 #38
I am keeping my black ass out of the state and I am not even black. zonkers Nov 2012 #78
Well, as long as he felt threatened... ananda Nov 2012 #3
and after all- they WERE black. BlueMan Votes Nov 2012 #5
How sad it seems like it is open season on black youths. I will never step foot in FL. southernyankeebelle Nov 2012 #30
They were probably "talking black" at him too ProudToBeBlueInRhody Nov 2012 #37
Holy CRAP gollygee Nov 2012 #4
Another cause for the racist wing nuts BainsBane Nov 2012 #6
Does he have a donation website up yet? ForgoTheConsequence Nov 2012 #7
Let's wait for the facts. beemer27 Nov 2012 #8
By all means, lets... Blue_Tires Nov 2012 #14
Right? markpkessinger Nov 2012 #16
I'm just playing with him...He knows the game by now... Blue_Tires Nov 2012 #28
13 posts since Apr 9, 2009. UnrepentantLiberal Nov 2012 #97
I thought that I did read that he's in custody gollygee Nov 2012 #17
Welcome to DU, for however long you stick around here. nt geek tragedy Nov 2012 #22
He's been here since '09. Iggo Nov 2012 #88
Probably Trayvon Martin... n/t vaberella Nov 2012 #100
Yeah.. right... 99Forever Nov 2012 #26
EEK! Maybe the dead kid tested + for THC. Jackpine Radical Nov 2012 #81
Uh huh ProudToBeBlueInRhody Nov 2012 #35
Not sure what you are asking. You dont want us to discuss this until a point in the future when rhett o rick Nov 2012 #41
in your opinion, what would justify shooting 9 rounds.. frylock Nov 2012 #52
Guy's jailed sans bail on murder and attempted charges struggle4progress Nov 2012 #80
The kid died inside the car in his friends arms. Are you shitting me. vaberella Nov 2012 #99
Ah, come on. Not that crud again - wait hell, facts are clear. Hoyt Nov 2012 #106
I'm amused that Dunn was arrogant enough to approach four strangers about loud music... Blue_Tires Nov 2012 #9
Maybe not. jackbenimble Nov 2012 #31
And did you shoot the guy ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2012 #42
He didn't say anything like that. jackbenimble Nov 2012 #48
OK, turn the question around Blue_Tires Nov 2012 #77
I haven't the slightest idea why. jackbenimble Nov 2012 #111
When some ass wheels in front of my house at 3AM DollarBillHines Nov 2012 #64
I don't particularly appreciate those with loud mufflers at 3am Major Nikon Nov 2012 #82
I'm not even sure why it would matter... Blue_Tires Nov 2012 #49
I think we don't know jackbenimble Nov 2012 #59
We'll see, but Blue_Tires Nov 2012 #65
I absolutely hate those liberalhistorian Nov 2012 #72
Where I come from sulphurdunn Nov 2012 #95
I guess where I come from that isn't the norm. jackbenimble Nov 2012 #107
Unfortunately for your house of cards, Dunn actually shot the teenager dead, so it looks like Dunn yardwork Nov 2012 #109
Bingo! cadaverdog Nov 2012 #68
I guess anytime an armed white man is scared he's justified to shoot someone MrScorpio Nov 2012 #10
It Will be Interesting, Ma'am, To See What Rises From the RKBA Fever-Swamps To Bite At This.... The Magistrate Nov 2012 #11
I'm on their shit list. Thank you for saying this. Whovian Nov 2012 #29
Already in the thread, Sir. yardwork Nov 2012 #110
Using lethal force to defend self is not about "feeling threatened" aikoaiko Nov 2012 #12
Murder in the first degree. Panasonic Nov 2012 #13
He'll probably plead it down to manslaughter Blue_Tires Nov 2012 #18
Do more than wish. Join and support the Brady Campaign or the VPC. oneshooter Nov 2012 #21
I don't know how to interpret your "impotently, your money". nt jody Nov 2012 #43
Yeah. I'm "impotent"... Hmmm Panasonic Nov 2012 #54
Wow, your smart aleck answer caused me to click on the links Kingofalldems Nov 2012 #66
Murder in the first degree oberle Nov 2012 #33
Are the races of the parties involved relevant? oberliner Nov 2012 #15
Huh? gollygee Nov 2012 #20
Probably not, its just that the white on white shootings don't get sensationalized. Pacafishmate Nov 2012 #24
Or Black on Black former-republican Nov 2012 #34
Unless there's an attractive white woman involved somehow, you mean... Blue_Tires Nov 2012 #51
Simple... White shooter Black victim are a great sensational headline. Glassunion Nov 2012 #23
So a well-heeled exec gunning down a carful of teens over loud music isn't news...got it... Blue_Tires Nov 2012 #55
Your right. I'm not saying that it is not news at all. Glassunion Nov 2012 #75
Without knowing much about the shooter, I'll hazard a guess Blue_Tires Nov 2012 #53
We shall see. Glassunion Nov 2012 #19
TY for the information. This could have been averted at several points. He chose not to do that. freshwest Nov 2012 #74
From a Florida paper appleannie1 Nov 2012 #25
what he heard was a detailed description and his license plate read on the tv.. frylock Nov 2012 #60
Translation: They fled, hid out in a hotel and hoped nobody caught their plate number... Blue_Tires Nov 2012 #61
Oh for the love of God... sheshe2 Nov 2012 #94
NRA teaches you to keep shooting until the threat is "neutralized," or some such crud. Hoyt Nov 2012 #108
More - Liberal_in_LA Nov 2012 #27
He's going to jail unless a weapon is produced from inside that car former-republican Nov 2012 #32
There nothing suspicious about it ProudToBeBlueInRhody Nov 2012 #39
Argument over loud music led to teen's fatal shooting, cops say struggle4progress Nov 2012 #40
WTF Skittles Nov 2012 #44
it was a gas station/convenience store... Blue_Tires Nov 2012 #79
but still....he could just...drive away? Skittles Nov 2012 #96
This post has a negative view of guns so therefore should be moved to the gungeon. Whovian Nov 2012 #45
Best laugh of the week. +10000000000000000 Hoyt Nov 2012 #57
Running and hiding Red Mountain Nov 2012 #46
If I were on a jury, I'd consider this premeditated murder. RomneyLies Nov 2012 #47
I'd think a white CEO that killed a black teen safeinOhio Nov 2012 #92
The kid that died was probably wearing a hoodie. toddwv Nov 2012 #50
Another example of law-abiding gun carrier, NRA and bigotry producing a tragedy. Hoyt Nov 2012 #56
They all claim to be law abiding gun owners.... secondvariety Nov 2012 #89
Exactly. It is really hard to understand. Hoyt Nov 2012 #91
Another lynching in America of a black person. graham4anything Nov 2012 #58
I'll be interested to know... Sophiegirl Nov 2012 #62
He was well prepared AZ Lib Nov 2012 #63
He couldn't have just driven away? dbackjon Nov 2012 #67
Oh, of course not.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Nov 2012 #73
"This defense crap has caused open season on unarmed black people." Some of us....... socialist_n_TN Nov 2012 #69
No room for debate. It's murder. AAO Nov 2012 #70
I dont get it Arcanetrance Nov 2012 #71
Yes, but was he wearing a hoodie? tclambert Nov 2012 #76
Murder plain and simple n/t malaise Nov 2012 #83
I'm sure the usual suspects will be along soon to explain how it's the black kid's fault. LeftyMom Nov 2012 #84
Probably searching the web for his juvie and school disciplinary records right now... Blue_Tires Nov 2012 #90
If nothing comes up there's always photoshop. You know those magnet school kids, pure trouble. LeftyMom Nov 2012 #93
WTF is going on down there??? x2 vancouverite Nov 2012 #85
Some more reports on this incident: happyslug Nov 2012 #86
. chknltl Nov 2012 #87
I don't care who you are....there is absolutely NO WAY this is self defense. vaberella Nov 2012 #98
This guy will be a hero billh58 Nov 2012 #101
quoth Dunn Jr. catrose Nov 2012 #102
I shouldn't laugh, but so true. HiPointDem Nov 2012 #104
Kicking for the night crew (n/t) stranger81 Nov 2012 #103
LOUD ? dellcophill Nov 2012 #105
WTF Florida? n/t Agschmid Nov 2012 #112
Locking REP Nov 2012 #113

JI7

(89,285 posts)
1. defending himself against loud music ? the fucker was looking to kill someone
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 07:04 PM
Nov 2012

lets see who tries to defend this

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
2. I agree.
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 07:04 PM
Nov 2012

This was inexcusable. A 17-year-old kid SHOT, just for having loud music in the car? It's like Florida's gone back to the Thirties, or something.

R.I.P. Jordan Davis. You won't be forgotten.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
36. No ... Let's be fair ...
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 08:02 PM
Nov 2012

A 17-year-old kid SHOT, was not shot just for having loud music in the car ... He was shot because he was a 17-year-old kid, sitting in the backseat of a car playing loud music and someone, in the car said something threatening to the white guy that felt it his duty to tell them to turn their music down!

I can only imagine how threatened this white man felt when told by one of these Black teens, "Kiss my ass!"

The REAL victim here is the white guy ... He had to endure listening to that horrid loud music because he could just drive off, grumbling to himself about how uncouth and inconsiderate those savages were ... Oh, wait ...

In Florida, words are now a threat warranting deadly force? I'ma keep my Black a$$ out of that state!

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
38. Yeah, Florida's definitely gone way downhill. n/t
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 08:04 PM
Nov 2012
 

zonkers

(5,865 posts)
78. I am keeping my black ass out of the state and I am not even black.
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 09:20 PM
Nov 2012

I hope this is the tipping point. I hope this cat gets twenty-five years. What kind of sick lunatic does this? Florida is blue. time to start making some changes.

ananda

(28,893 posts)
3. Well, as long as he felt threatened...
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 07:05 PM
Nov 2012

...

...

 

BlueMan Votes

(903 posts)
5. and after all- they WERE black.
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 07:08 PM
Nov 2012

so 'feeling threatened' goes without saying.

 

southernyankeebelle

(11,304 posts)
30. How sad it seems like it is open season on black youths. I will never step foot in FL.
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 07:51 PM
Nov 2012

ProudToBeBlueInRhody

(16,399 posts)
37. They were probably "talking black" at him too
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 08:03 PM
Nov 2012

What's the problem here, officer?

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
4. Holy CRAP
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 07:07 PM
Nov 2012

No Way.

Not liking someone's music, and someone not bowing to your request/demand, doesn't mean you get to shoot them.

BainsBane

(53,112 posts)
6. Another cause for the racist wing nuts
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 07:09 PM
Nov 2012

Who see George Zimmerman as a hero. They will raise a ton of money for this guy as well.

ForgoTheConsequence

(4,869 posts)
7. Does he have a donation website up yet?
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 07:12 PM
Nov 2012

He'll probably make a fortune off this like that asshole Zimmerman.

beemer27

(463 posts)
8. Let's wait for the facts.
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 07:18 PM
Nov 2012

The little bit that we have in these couple of paragraphs don't give us enough to make any kind of judgement on. If the man just pulled up and shot a kid for loud music, he would have been in cuffs as soon as the cops arrived. We are only hearing a few facts. Sometimes a reporter with an ax to grind will present a few tidbits to get people all worked up. Then when the truth comes out, they don't want to appear foolish, so they continue to defend the position that the reporter tricked them into. If this guy acted rashly, he will undoubtedly be charged, and we will have a months long trial to watch. If there were other facts that we don't know about, it would be better for us to wait for them.
Just my two cents. Do what you gotta do.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
14. By all means, lets...
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 07:26 PM
Nov 2012

But so far none of this is in dispute:

1. Dunn pulls up to convenience store next to four teens in a truck playing loud music
2. Dunn approaches them and "asks" them to turn it down
3. Verbal altercation
4. Dunn fires 8-9 rounds in the truck and speeds off
5. Dunn is tracked and surrenders to police the following morning

And for the record, no respectable crime reporter at a major outlet operates that way -- I'm saying that as a former reporter... None of this shit is made up; it's lifted directly from the charging documents...

markpkessinger

(8,409 posts)
16. Right?
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 07:29 PM
Nov 2012

I mean, how much "context" do you really need here?

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
28. I'm just playing with him...He knows the game by now...
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 07:48 PM
Nov 2012

He's the one (or at least one of the ones) always pissing on the Martin-Zimmerman discussions...I think he's from some non-DU gun forum...

If he ever changed up his schtick or writing style, it might actually take me longer than 10 seconds to spot him; but he's still using the same dull boilerplate posts and bullshit talking points that he had back in March...I'll give this to him at least: He's been persistent -- I'll alert; he gets banned and moves on to the next sock account, and lurks until one of these discussions pops up again...I've lost count, but he's had at least 20 (probably closer to 30) sock accounts banned this year, and god knows how many more in reserve...

 

UnrepentantLiberal

(11,700 posts)
97. 13 posts since Apr 9, 2009.
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 09:57 PM
Nov 2012

It could conceivably be a sock. But let's wait until all the facts are in.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
17. I thought that I did read that he's in custody
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 07:30 PM
Nov 2012

so he was put in cuffs pretty soon.

At least he was taken into custody I guess. But the kid's parents are mourning just the same.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
22. Welcome to DU, for however long you stick around here. nt
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 07:36 PM
Nov 2012

Iggo

(47,587 posts)
88. He's been here since '09.
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 09:31 PM
Nov 2012

Wonder what his other twelve posts were about.

vaberella

(24,634 posts)
100. Probably Trayvon Martin... n/t
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 10:02 PM
Nov 2012

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
26. Yeah.. right...
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 07:44 PM
Nov 2012

... "other facts"....


Umm hmmm. But of course.


Maybe that unarmed teen has a Facebook "gangsta" persona and ....

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
81. EEK! Maybe the dead kid tested + for THC.
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 09:22 PM
Nov 2012

That should be enough to justify a shooting, shouldn't it?

Maybe he pulled a Twinkie on the white guy.

ProudToBeBlueInRhody

(16,399 posts)
35. Uh huh
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 08:01 PM
Nov 2012

Whatever you say, Annie Oakley.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
41. Not sure what you are asking. You dont want us to discuss this until a point in the future when
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 08:07 PM
Nov 2012

we have "the facts"? When will we know when that is? Will there be a signal of some sort.

"If the man just pulled up and shot a kid for loud music, he would have been in cuffs as soon as the cops arrived." Ahhh if it were only so. If a black man pulled up and shot a white kid for loud music, he'd been lucky to have ended up in cuffs and not shot dead on the spot.

I think the new mentality is that if a white man shoots an unarmed black kid, then he was just standing his ground.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
52. in your opinion, what would justify shooting 9 rounds..
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 08:29 PM
Nov 2012

into a parked vehicle full of unarmed people? i'm real fucking interested to get your take on this.

struggle4progress

(118,379 posts)
80. Guy's jailed sans bail on murder and attempted charges
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 09:22 PM
Nov 2012

vaberella

(24,634 posts)
99. The kid died inside the car in his friends arms. Are you shitting me.
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 10:01 PM
Nov 2012

Whatever...

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
106. Ah, come on. Not that crud again - wait hell, facts are clear.
Wed Nov 28, 2012, 12:51 AM
Nov 2012

The Gunner might walk, but the facts are clear enough for me, and most.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
9. I'm amused that Dunn was arrogant enough to approach four strangers about loud music...
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 07:18 PM
Nov 2012

Unless of course he was looking to start something from the first minute...

He probably would have ignored it completely if he wasn't carrying....

jackbenimble

(251 posts)
31. Maybe not.
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 07:53 PM
Nov 2012

I approached a young man at a gas station a while back and asked him to turn down his music. I was pumping gas and it was bothering me, really. The loud loud low base some people insist on forcing on the rest of us hurts my ears badly. So I had to walk over to get his attention and then asked him to turn it down. I had never thought about the fact that maybe he would react badly to my asking, but this story makes me think I should be more careful in the future.

It is possible that this man just wanted the music turned down and the persons he asked didn't take kindly to being asked or told to do so. There are a lot of people in this world who don't care if what they do bothers other people, so maybe it wasn't Dun who decided to start something.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
42. And did you shoot the guy ...
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 08:11 PM
Nov 2012

when he told you to Kiss his a$$?

Why do people, especially DUers, think that because something bothers them ... not threatens them ... not hurts them ... they have the right to impose their will on someone else? Especially, when it is just as easy to just suck it up and move along.

jackbenimble

(251 posts)
48. He didn't say anything like that.
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 08:25 PM
Nov 2012

In fact just the opposite. Apologized and turned it down. Seemed like a nice kid and I thanked him for being so. If he had reacted badly and threatened me or assaulted me I would have defended myself as best I could. Seeing as how I am not a gun dealer, or one who carries guns around with me I wouldn't have shot him, no. And BTW, it did hurt my ears and my head. Sounds can hurt. Not only that but I wasn't the one breaking the law.

Let's turn your question around and ask why some people think they have the right to impose their incredibly loud 'music' on everyone else when they could just suck it up and turn it down.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
77. OK, turn the question around
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 09:19 PM
Nov 2012
"Let's turn your question around and ask why some people think they have the right to impose their incredibly loud 'music' on everyone else when they could just suck it up and turn it down."

1. It's a public place...If the music was that window-shaking loud (and I seriously doubt it was, especially if he had a stock OEM sound system), then it's up to the manager of the gas station to take action...

2. The kid *might* have been inconsiderate to those around him, but Dunn still has zero fucking authority to do anything (it's clear he's used to giving orders to people)...He can make his request (and we still don't know yet if his request was polite and considerate), hope that it is honored, and move on...Of course if Dunn *really* wanted to be a dick he could have called the cops about noise pollution (and of course the cops would have given zero fucks about it)...


Now let me turn a question on to you: Why do some people think they have the right to introduce violence in the pettiest of arguments, and put bullets in anything or anyone who upsets them? Why do so many of the arguments ended by gunfire only involve ONE armed party?? What is it about carrying a gun that gives some people a carte blanche mentality to confront anybody about anything?

jackbenimble

(251 posts)
111. I haven't the slightest idea why.
Wed Nov 28, 2012, 01:20 AM
Nov 2012

I find myself asking the same thing every time I watch the news.

DollarBillHines

(1,922 posts)
64. When some ass wheels in front of my house at 3AM
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 08:49 PM
Nov 2012

and the bass shakes my walls, my thoughts often veer to violence.

Also, when we are doing some acoustic recording...

when you are playing blooz and in a groove, sometimes there is no second chance.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
82. I don't particularly appreciate those with loud mufflers at 3am
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 09:22 PM
Nov 2012

But I've never felt the urge to open fire on them. If they hang around, calling the cops seems like a reasonable alternative.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
49. I'm not even sure why it would matter...
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 08:26 PM
Nov 2012

Dunn has stopped at the gas station for ONE thing, in and out under three minutes, at the most...Absent of other details, I'll give the benefit of doubt and assume Dunn asked in a polite, respectful manner...Once he heard a negative answer (regardless of whether it was polite or not), why the hell wouldn't he ignore the music, get his wine and get out?

jackbenimble

(251 posts)
59. I think we don't know
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 08:40 PM
Nov 2012

what transpired after he asked. Maybe he didn't ask politely and the interaction escalated from there. Maybe he did ask politely and the response scared the living hell out of him. We just don't know yet. Hopefully the gas station has cameras that can paint a clear picture of what happened.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
65. We'll see, but
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 08:54 PM
Nov 2012

anything short of "Without warning, the victim jumped out of his truck with fists flying..." or something similar won't hold water...And just for fun, can you possibly imagine ANY possible verbal response that would "...scare the living hell out of him"?? because I sure can't...

There were at least FOUR witnesses (the shooter's wife and the other three teens) who will be able to tell their own stories, so we'll see how it plays out...

liberalhistorian

(20,822 posts)
72. I absolutely hate those
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 09:08 PM
Nov 2012

boombox cars with a pounding bass with a white-hot purple passion and, despite my hearing impairment, they also make my ears bleed (which should give you an idea of just how loud it is!). But I would never, ever even consider going up to a strange car and asking someone to turn it down. No. Way. You just don't ever know. I just suck it up and deal with it, especially if it's only going to be a few minutes.

That being said, I don't know how that attorney can claim that her asshole of a client acted "responsibly and in self-defense". HE instigated it and HE pulled his gun out first, and the kids weren't armed. WTF is this stupid goddamned "stand your ground" bullshit doing to that state? Of course, when you have a Florida judge dropping murder charges against someone who chased a mugger for blocks and then stabbed him in the back as he was still trying to flee, claiming that the "stand your ground" applied, WTF else can we expect? Hell, I'm white and I wouldn't even want to be in Florida or any other SYG state. I can only imagine how someone who isn't white must feel.

 

sulphurdunn

(6,891 posts)
95. Where I come from
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 09:51 PM
Nov 2012

someone doing what you did means he's looking for trouble. How much trouble he gets depends on who he pisses off. You would be wise to exercise more caution in the future.

jackbenimble

(251 posts)
107. I guess where I come from that isn't the norm.
Wed Nov 28, 2012, 01:04 AM
Nov 2012

I didn't know the kid, but the area is small enough that someone I know knew him or his family. And being able to say you know someone's family still means something around here. Guess it isn't so bad living here after all.

yardwork

(61,753 posts)
109. Unfortunately for your house of cards, Dunn actually shot the teenager dead, so it looks like Dunn
Wed Nov 28, 2012, 01:09 AM
Nov 2012

is actually the one at fault here.

cadaverdog

(228 posts)
68. Bingo!
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 08:59 PM
Nov 2012

MrScorpio

(73,631 posts)
10. I guess anytime an armed white man is scared he's justified to shoot someone
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 07:18 PM
Nov 2012

It goes double for arguments that he starts himself against unarmed people of color.

The Magistrate

(95,264 posts)
11. It Will be Interesting, Ma'am, To See What Rises From the RKBA Fever-Swamps To Bite At This....
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 07:19 PM
Nov 2012
 

Whovian

(2,866 posts)
29. I'm on their shit list. Thank you for saying this.
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 07:49 PM
Nov 2012

yardwork

(61,753 posts)
110. Already in the thread, Sir.
Wed Nov 28, 2012, 01:12 AM
Nov 2012

aikoaiko

(34,186 posts)
12. Using lethal force to defend self is not about "feeling threatened"
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 07:22 PM
Nov 2012

This guy will need a better lawyer.
 

Panasonic

(2,921 posts)
13. Murder in the first degree.
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 07:24 PM
Nov 2012

Under florida law, this man will have to be sentenced to death.

Damn gun collectors - I wish all guns were banned from the United States and people learn how to use a stick.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
18. He'll probably plead it down to manslaughter
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 07:30 PM
Nov 2012

and get ready for the "twinkie/alcoholism/antidepressants/caffeine/hay fever/etc..." defense to mitigate the sentence...

oneshooter

(8,614 posts)
21. Do more than wish. Join and support the Brady Campaign or the VPC.
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 07:36 PM
Nov 2012

Last edited Tue Nov 27, 2012, 09:04 PM - Edit history (1)

http://www.bradycampaign.org/


http://www.vpc.org/


Be sure to donate both your time, but more importantly, your money.
 

jody

(26,624 posts)
43. I don't know how to interpret your "impotently, your money". nt
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 08:11 PM
Nov 2012
 

Panasonic

(2,921 posts)
54. Yeah. I'm "impotent"... Hmmm
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 08:33 PM
Nov 2012

I might just look into Brady and VPC - thanks for your suggestions.

Kingofalldems

(38,504 posts)
66. Wow, your smart aleck answer caused me to click on the links
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 08:55 PM
Nov 2012

Thanks.

oberle

(29 posts)
33. Murder in the first degree
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 07:56 PM
Nov 2012

"I wish all guns were banned from the United States and people learn how to use a stick. " I wish that also, fervently. It will never come to pass.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
15. Are the races of the parties involved relevant?
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 07:28 PM
Nov 2012

If not, why include them in the headline?

If so, how?

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
20. Huh?
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 07:33 PM
Nov 2012

You don't think the races of the parties are relevant? Do you not think these "stand your ground" shootings seem to racially motivated?

 

Pacafishmate

(249 posts)
24. Probably not, its just that the white on white shootings don't get sensationalized.
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 07:43 PM
Nov 2012
 

former-republican

(2,163 posts)
34. Or Black on Black
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 07:59 PM
Nov 2012

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
51. Unless there's an attractive white woman involved somehow, you mean...
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 08:27 PM
Nov 2012

Glassunion

(10,201 posts)
23. Simple... White shooter Black victim are a great sensational headline.
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 07:38 PM
Nov 2012

It's not news, it's entertainment. Toss in some key phrases like "Stand your ground" and boom you've got some good entertainment. If your looking for news, the last thing you want to do is go to a news website or channel. The daily show sadly is more honest than the "real" news. I'm not sure if John Stewart is the funniest smart-guy or smartest funny-guy, but I do know he is at least very, very honest.

If the race of the shooter and victim are both black or both white it does not make for good headlines; so you need to sensationalize it in other ways.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
55. So a well-heeled exec gunning down a carful of teens over loud music isn't news...got it...
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 08:34 PM
Nov 2012

jesus christ, it would be NATIONAL news if it was, say, four white high school cheerleaders...

Glassunion

(10,201 posts)
75. Your right. I'm not saying that it is not news at all.
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 09:12 PM
Nov 2012

I'm simply pointing out the sensationalism of the media. They love stories like this, it sells papers and ad space.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
53. Without knowing much about the shooter, I'll hazard a guess
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 08:30 PM
Nov 2012

and say he *probably* wouldn't have been so quick to pop off rounds if there were four white teens in the car...

Glassunion

(10,201 posts)
19. We shall see.
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 07:32 PM
Nov 2012

Shooter was arrested and charged with murder and attempted murder and is being held without bail. He's more than welcome to try and use the "stand your ground" defense, however I doubt it will pan out for him. There are a lot of details still to come.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
74. TY for the information. This could have been averted at several points. He chose not to do that.
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 09:10 PM
Nov 2012

appleannie1

(5,074 posts)
25. From a Florida paper
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 07:44 PM
Nov 2012

Dunn's girlfriend and the driver of Jordan's vehicle were in Gate Food Post, 8251 Southside Blvd., when the shooting happened. Dunn and his girlfriend took off afterward, and witnesses jotted down their tag number, deputies said.

They were staying in a Jacksonville hotel when they heard a news report Saturday morning indicating someone had died in the shooting, deputies said. They then returned to Brevard.

Dunn, a gun collector, was arrested Saturday at his home in Satellite Beach on charges of murder and attempted murder. He was being held without bail.

Jordan, who was a student at Samuel W. Wolfson High School, a magnet school in Duval County, will be buried in his hometown of Marietta, Ga. He is survived by his parents and a brother. Jordan worked at Winn-Dixie, according to his Facebook page.

Florida corporate records show Dunn is vice president of Dunn & Dunn Data Systems in Vero Beach. He supervises software development, according to his LinkedIn profile.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-11-26/news/os-teen-shot-dead-loud-music-20121126_1_gun-collector-argument-over-loud-music-michael-dunn

frylock

(34,825 posts)
60. what he heard was a detailed description and his license plate read on the tv..
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 08:40 PM
Nov 2012

who the fuck in their right mind empties a magazine into a car and then just drives off as if nothing happened?

"Oh hey, honey. You know that car you lit up last night? Looks like someone may have died."

"Gosh, we'd better turn ourselves in then. It's the responsible thing to do."

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
61. Translation: They fled, hid out in a hotel and hoped nobody caught their plate number...
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 08:44 PM
Nov 2012

sheshe2

(84,010 posts)
94. Oh for the love of God...
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 09:48 PM
Nov 2012

This has to end!

Schoonover also said that “there were words exchanged” between the two, and Dunn claims to have felt “threatened” before opening fire.

He felt threatened...the then shot him multiple times! That must have been some treat!
 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
108. NRA teaches you to keep shooting until the threat is "neutralized," or some such crud.
Wed Nov 28, 2012, 01:08 AM
Nov 2012

And the "law-abiding" gun weilder gets first chance to determine that.

Guy would have tolerated music for a few minutes if he had not been toting. Or he would have blared his horn, or danced to the music.

 

Liberal_in_LA

(44,397 posts)
27. More -
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 07:46 PM
Nov 2012

Dunn's girlfriend and the driver of Jordan's vehicle were in Gate Food Post, 8251 Southside Blvd., when the shooting happened. Dunn and his girlfriend took off afterward, and witnesses jotted down their tag number, deputies said.

They were staying in a Jacksonville hotel when they heard a news report Saturday morning indicating someone had died in the shooting, deputies said. They then returned to Brevard.

Dunn, a gun collector, was arrested Saturday at his home in Satellite Beach on charges of murder and attempted murder. He was being held without bail.

Jordan, who was a student at Samuel W. Wolfson High School, a magnet school in Duval County, will be buried in his hometown of Marietta, Ga. He is survived by his parents and a brother. Jordan worked at Winn-Dixie, according to his Facebook page.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-11-26/news/os-teen-shot-dead-loud-music-20121126_1_gun-collector-argument-over-loud-music-michael-dunn

 

former-republican

(2,163 posts)
32. He's going to jail unless a weapon is produced from inside that car
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 07:56 PM
Nov 2012

ProudToBeBlueInRhody

(16,399 posts)
39. There nothing suspicious about it
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 08:05 PM
Nov 2012

The guy murdered the kid for no good reason. Guilty. Next.

struggle4progress

(118,379 posts)
40. Argument over loud music led to teen's fatal shooting, cops say
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 08:06 PM
Nov 2012

11:01 p.m. EST, November 26, 2012
By Susan Jacobson, Orlando Sentinel

A Brevard County man was in jail Monday, accused of shooting a teenager dead in an argument over loud music ...

Dunn's girlfriend and the driver of Jordan's vehicle were in Gate Food Post, 8251 Southside Blvd., when the shooting happened. Dunn and his girlfriend took off afterward, and witnesses jotted down their tag number, deputies said.

They were staying in a Jacksonville hotel when they heard a news report Saturday morning indicating someone had died in the shooting, deputies said. They then returned to Brevard.

Dunn, a gun collector, was arrested Saturday at his home in Satellite Beach on charges of murder and attempted murder. He was being held without bail ...

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-11-26/news/os-teen-shot-dead-loud-music-20121126_1_gun-collector-argument-over-loud-music-michael-dunn

Skittles

(153,262 posts)
44. WTF
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 08:13 PM
Nov 2012

he pulls up next to them and starts hassling them about loud music? AT A HIGH SCHOOL???

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
79. it was a gas station/convenience store...
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 09:22 PM
Nov 2012

Skittles

(153,262 posts)
96. but still....he could just...drive away?
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 09:53 PM
Nov 2012
 

Whovian

(2,866 posts)
45. This post has a negative view of guns so therefore should be moved to the gungeon.
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 08:14 PM
Nov 2012

Sorry. All posts that shed a negative light on guns must be hidden.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
57. Best laugh of the week. +10000000000000000
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 08:34 PM
Nov 2012

Red Mountain

(1,739 posts)
46. Running and hiding
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 08:15 PM
Nov 2012

won't help his defense.

 

RomneyLies

(3,333 posts)
47. If I were on a jury, I'd consider this premeditated murder.
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 08:16 PM
Nov 2012

Premeditation can occur in the moment before the trigger is pulled.

This guy is a first degree murderer.

Florida also has the DP and were I on the jury, I would vote to apply the DP in this case.

safeinOhio

(32,746 posts)
92. I'd think a white CEO that killed a black teen
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 09:44 PM
Nov 2012

spending a life time in general population might be a greater punishment than death.

toddwv

(2,830 posts)
50. The kid that died was probably wearing a hoodie.
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 08:26 PM
Nov 2012

I'm sure we'll here crap like that in this case.

You know, I'm not a violent person. I don't even own a gun but if it was my son that got shot by this piece of shit, he'd better hope that he gets a nice long prison sentence because there would be serious repercussions if he got off because of some bullshit law that condones murder like this.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
56. Another example of law-abiding gun carrier, NRA and bigotry producing a tragedy.
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 08:34 PM
Nov 2012

secondvariety

(1,245 posts)
89. They all claim to be law abiding gun owners....
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 09:32 PM
Nov 2012

until they're not.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
91. Exactly. It is really hard to understand.
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 09:42 PM
Nov 2012
 

graham4anything

(11,464 posts)
58. Another lynching in America of a black person.
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 08:36 PM
Nov 2012

ALL LEGAL GUNS need to be banned from the street and if forced to keep them legal, make them legal ONLY in the owners home, with a sign on the door saying a gun is there.

It is the NRA and Legal guns that allow these asssassinations to keep taking place

May Mayor Mike be the great equalizer against the NRA

Sophiegirl

(2,338 posts)
62. I'll be interested to know...
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 08:46 PM
Nov 2012

....what Mr. Dunn's blood alcohol level was at the time. Will the authorities even check?

AZ Lib

(19 posts)
63. He was well prepared
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 08:48 PM
Nov 2012

to be threatened, with a gun readily available to kill....Right
PATHETIC!
This trigger happy racist was waiting for an opportunity!

 

dbackjon

(6,578 posts)
67. He couldn't have just driven away?
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 08:58 PM
Nov 2012

He murdered the boy.

ProudToBeBlueInRhody

(16,399 posts)
73. Oh, of course not....
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 09:08 PM
Nov 2012

....you know it's time to "take back our country", right?

socialist_n_TN

(11,481 posts)
69. "This defense crap has caused open season on unarmed black people." Some of us.......
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 09:03 PM
Nov 2012

were saying the same thing back when the Trayvon Martin situation was happening back in the Spring. In the racist mind, this is EXACTLY what the SYG laws signify.

 

AAO

(3,300 posts)
70. No room for debate. It's murder.
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 09:06 PM
Nov 2012

Arcanetrance

(2,670 posts)
71. I dont get it
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 09:07 PM
Nov 2012

I simply don't why have we resorted to killing each other over petty bullshit I especially don't understand this racist shit anymore under the skin we bleed the same blood feel pain the same way

tclambert

(11,087 posts)
76. Yes, but was he wearing a hoodie?
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 09:14 PM
Nov 2012

malaise

(269,262 posts)
83. Murder plain and simple n/t
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 09:23 PM
Nov 2012

LeftyMom

(49,212 posts)
84. I'm sure the usual suspects will be along soon to explain how it's the black kid's fault.
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 09:24 PM
Nov 2012

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
90. Probably searching the web for his juvie and school disciplinary records right now...
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 09:34 PM
Nov 2012

along with anything he's ever typed on social media...

LeftyMom

(49,212 posts)
93. If nothing comes up there's always photoshop. You know those magnet school kids, pure trouble.
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 09:45 PM
Nov 2012
 

x2 vancouverite

(89 posts)
85. WTF is going on down there???
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 09:25 PM
Nov 2012

chknltl

(10,558 posts)
87. .
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 09:30 PM
Nov 2012

......................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................Rest in Peace Jordan Russell Davis

vaberella

(24,634 posts)
98. I don't care who you are....there is absolutely NO WAY this is self defense.
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 10:00 PM
Nov 2012

This is a teenager playing loud music. It's normal. This is disgusting. Racism lives strong and hard.

billh58

(6,635 posts)
101. This guy will be a hero
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 10:09 PM
Nov 2012

to the Gungeon dwellers and they will support his "right" to open fire on anyone he provokes, and who then has the audacity to tell him to go fuck himself.

catrose

(5,078 posts)
102. quoth Dunn Jr.
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 10:46 PM
Nov 2012

Thanks for making my wedding day so special, Dad.

 

HiPointDem

(20,729 posts)
104. I shouldn't laugh, but so true.
Wed Nov 28, 2012, 12:29 AM
Nov 2012

stranger81

(2,345 posts)
103. Kicking for the night crew (n/t)
Wed Nov 28, 2012, 12:21 AM
Nov 2012

dellcophill

(16 posts)
105. LOUD ?
Wed Nov 28, 2012, 12:47 AM
Nov 2012

LOUD MUSIC KILLS

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
112. WTF Florida? n/t
Wed Nov 28, 2012, 01:21 AM
Nov 2012

REP

(21,691 posts)
113. Locking
Wed Nov 28, 2012, 01:56 AM
Nov 2012

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