To all the DU members saying Democrats need to cut a deal and vote for a Republican for Speaker: NOPE

[ZonkerHarris]

First you're gonna have to point me to a Republican that's known for keeping their word.
They don't exist.
Then find me a Republican that isn't willing to cheat to win and screw Democrats in any way possible.
They don't exist.
every day Republican politicians call Democrats communists, Socialists, pedophiles, groomers and more.
And now it's our job to save them, from themselves?
Fuck that shit.
More than Half of them voted to Invalidate the election after the January 6th incursion into the capital.
And you fucking think we can make a deal with these people?
Fuck that shit.
Even if they weren't half crazy QAnon Maga racist sexist homophobes It is not our job to save them.
That's not how politics works
Our job is to pick up the pieces and put everything back together and fix it once they're voted out
Our job is to get out the vote in '24 and take back the House win the Senate and the White House and save the world.
Focus on that people.

Vote for a republican for Speaker is insane crazy talk.
Stop that now.

[Calculating]

1. This goes beyond all that

If we really go without a speaker until 2024 this world will be in shambles. Russia will have eventually taken Ukraine without additional aid, and that's just the start.

[BootinUp]

3. What makes you think there are not ways

and people and organizations that can't force some of the pukes to do whats right when the time comes?

[ZonkerHarris]

7. Well if the US Constitution can't make them do the right thing what can?

[BootinUp]

12. We already know that some of them would not vote for Jordan.

My position to be clear, is that it is still to soon for Democrats to pull the fire alarm. Other than that lets see what Jeffries wants to do.

[Bev54]

50. They can't actually do anything unless the republicans bring a vote to the floor and

it seems the republicans will not bring it to the floor if there is a possibility of any deal with the dems.

[BootinUp]

51. Yes I realized that a bit ago.

But nothing in this situation is immutable in my opinion. Plenty of variables.

[Mr.Bill]

29. Filthy rich people

who are going to get hammered if the economy crashes.

[inthewind21]

80. Only ONE solution

VOTE. THEM. OUT! Now, before you start telling me "we tried" "they cheated" "gerrymandering" "it's the medias fault" "the supreme court" "FOX. FOX. FOX!" please bear in mind that the VOTING CITIZENS of the US are THE reason they, meaning Republicans, were elected in the first place.

This very site is ablaze as I type with MANY rabidly defending the extremist right wing government in Israel (that was voted in by the people of Israel) and practically applying Halo's to them while at the same time stating dead Palestinians' are the sole fault of the people of Gaza for electing Hamas and they deserve what they are getting. Then back to the unnerving very real possibility of a damn near mirror image of an extremist right wing government here and how it MUST BE STOPPED! Think another Trump presidency! And the complete contradictions abound.

For a bit now there have been numerous calls, even demands to come to the aid of and bail out the very politicians "we" call lunatics and deny any responsibility for on a regular basis. Yet, we should help them out with the complete mess THEY created? So I only ask this, just think about that for a bit and then ask, How did we get here in the first place? The answer should be obvious.

[The Grand Illuminist]

87. But if it fails....

then what?

[wiggs]

13. This is correct. Won't be too long before the powers that be, gop senators, lobbyists, bankers, and

constituents put an end to this nuttery.

it's also not hard to imagine, due to pressure and chance for notoriety, that 2 or 3 gop reps would cross the aisle and vote for jeffries. Maybe even change parties as has happened in the past in order to save themselves.

[ZonkerHarris]

15. Republicans can't even get their own nutballs to not block MILITARY promotions!

So I'm pretty sure they'll be able to control them regarding every other issue on the table.
Holy shit get a grip on reality.
damn

[ZonkerHarris]

9. Golly then We should totally sell out our principles and let the Republicans fuck us if that's the case

You talk about protecting Ukraine and most of the Republicans don't want to support Ukraine because they support Russia so how will helping them have a solidified power base help Ukraine?
Please explain in the form of a essay with details

[Calculating]

18. Simple

The money allocated for Ukraine aid is running very low, and if we go until November 2024 without a speaker(which is what the trumpers actually want) the war will be lost. Getting a total dem majority will do little if the world is in shambles

[ZonkerHarris]

21. Please tell me the good Republican Democrats should vote for. Name a name

[MadameButterfly]

31. Well, until a few minutes ago, Emmer

[PlutosHeart]

43. WHA????

Do not be so sure. He hides what he is.

[edisdead]

44. bahahahaha hahaahahaha ahahahahahahah!!!!

Seriously?

No.

He wouldn’t help one fucking bit. Have you any clue who elected him in his district? Straight up trumpers. The worst of the worst.

[lastlib]

49. He was just the best the repuglikns could do......

Absolutely not worth one Dem vote.

As long as the Florida FOOL* hold the pugs in thrall, they don't get the time of day from our side.
Not Emmer. Not Ever.

(*FOOL -- Former Office-Occupying Liar.)

[ZonkerHarris]

56. You are adorable

[MadameButterfly]

89. you can disagree without

being sexist and demeaning.

So, you happy with Mike Johnson?

[MontanaMama]

65. Nope. Eom

[stonecutter357]

85. lol

[PortTack]

22. Actually more house republicans support aide to Ukraine that not

[MadameButterfly]

30. we just need a Speaker who hasn't declared to keepl money from Ukraine

like jordan. Emmer supports Ukraine, has negotiated on lowering debts ceiling, and voted to certify Biden's election. Naturally he just dropped out. Republican aren't going to let anyone Dems could support get through.

[CitizenZero]

55. I Think That You Are Right

Some Republicans are worse than others. Which means that some are better than others. Emmer voted to certify Biden's election. I would prefer a Republican like that to crazy MAGA s like Jordan.

[MadameButterfly]

32. Most Republicans support aid to Ukraine even in the House but

Republicans don't like majority rule even in their own caucus. This is about a small minortiy wanting to rule.
Without a Speaker, no Ukraine, no budget, US and World economies go down the tubes and Biden gets blamed.

This isn't about priniciples or helping them out. It's about surviving until the 2023 election, and winning so that we have a democracy any more.
A "solidified" power base in the Rep party isn't a threat to us, no speaker is.

[barbtries]

16. republicans don't have a speaker

who is willing to govern as far as i can tell. so, with or without one, shit hits the fan.

better to see if they can persuade enough republicans to put a democrat in there, but i don't even know if that would help. All the house republicans are just frauds and professional shit stirrers. they are not lawmakers.

[MadameButterfly]

33. a Democratic speaker isn't going to happen

lets stay in the realm of reality

[MorbidButterflyTat]

38. Suggesting Jordan as speaker

is in the realm of reality?

[Happy Hoosier]

23. But it's up to the GQP...

To seek out a bipartisan solution, not Democrats. THEY are the majority. If they want support from the minority, it’s up to them to make that deal.

[MorbidButterflyTat]

34. House MAGAts have already said

they will stop funding Ukraine, and hobble Social Security and Medicare.

What do you think having a MAGAt speaker will accomplish?

[OldBaldy1701E]

37. With all respect...

If we really go without a speaker until 2024 this world will be in shambles.

That is about the most egotistical thing I have seen in the past few years. Congratulations. If we really have that much influence on the world, how the fuck is Russia even a threat? Or anyone for that matter? Do you really think the entire world will blow up just because we are disintegrating? Just wow.

[Calculating]

42. All it takes is a hint of weakness from the USA

And the bad actors out there all start enacting up. What do you think will happen if we let Ukraine fall to Russia? China will probably go on Taiwan for one thing... we're not called the shining beacon of democracy for nothing. We outspend the next 7-8 countries in terms of our military. We're the most powerful and influential nation on earth.

[Hekate]

58. The bad actors to whom you refer are all in the GOP House. They & their "theoreticians"

… have made it abundantly clear for decades that they want to destroy the Federal government, from Gingrich’s assault on the English language to Norquist saying he wanted to reduce the government’s size until it could be “drowned in a bathtub” to Bannon laying out his plans to “deconstruct the administrative state.”

How are we to cooperate and compromise with such nihilists?

[Voltaire2]

71. Ok fine, five Republicans can vote for Jeffries.

[Autumn]

2. Not only NOPE but hell Fucking NO!

Rec

[Deuxcents]

4. This is their doing. They are responsible

The voters who keep voting them in are, too. Unless some republican steps up and honors their oath, it’s not gonna be pretty.

[Aepps22]

5. Well Said!

In addition to everything you said, you need parties that are willing to negotiate. Just telling our side to save them without guarantees on keeping the government open and Ukraine/Israel funding isn't just dumb but it's insane. The Republicans know the terms and have to negotiate. The reality is that these Republican fools know that if they accept Dem help their individual careers would be in Jeopardy. They don't want to be the next Liz C

[brush]

6. It's gotta be Emmer or Austin Smith, the other one who voted to confirm the EC votes for Biden.

all the others are a non-starter. But if the magat scum House members won't put either forward for full floor vote, that leaves us in nowhere as the world burns, the budget approval deadline approaching quickly, government shut down bearing down on us...the repugs don't care. They want to tear it all down thinking it will somehow lead to authoritarianism.

[Rebl2]

17. Emmer dropped out

[MorbidButterflyTat]

40. Yup

After Slobby's camp tweeted Emmer's a RINO.

JFC these idiots.

[madaboutharry]

8. This can't go on much longer.

It is bad for the country. My fear is that we could end up with Elise Stefanik, who is actually more of a Mussolini style authoritarian than a congressperson.

[TheRealNorth]

10. Depends on the deal....

But I agree that we shouldn't vote for a Republican solely because there are worse possibilities.

And there is an argument to be made that you can't trust Republicans to uphold any deal, if it were to be made.

[HelpImSurrounded]

14. Just show me a speaker that will reach across the aisle.

Any one of them could be speaker by reaching across the aisle.

They won't.

So they should not be speaker.

[MadameButterfly]

36. "should" left the barn a long time ago

Republicans shouldn't want to end democracy, shut down govt's, end social secutiy. None of them deserve a seat in Congress.

But since we aren't the party of insurrection, we have to find a way to play within ther rules. If Republicans give Dems a chance to vote on someone who voted to certify the election, will negotiate on the debt celing, and will fulnd Ukraine, they should definitely vote for themk.

Only one person left who voted to certify Biden--don't know his stand on the other 2 issues. Or whether the Republican crazies will let him through for a vote. ANyone Dems might vote for on the floor of the house is at a disadvantage in the caucus. Unless the secret vote engenders courage.

[dalton99a]

19. It is their clusterfuck

[maxsolomon]

20. They'll turn back to McCarthy before the Govt Shutdown deadline

You don't miss your water till your well runs dry...

[Mad_Machine76]

63. They clearly subscribe to the underpants gnomes political strategy

House GOP plans for getting new Speaker:

1. Vote McCarthy out as Speaker
2. ????????
3. New (Better?) Speaker!!!

Gaetz just didn’t think this through (to say the least)

[ggma]

68. Very serious discussion, but

HAD to give you a REC for the South Park nod.

gg

[Ray Bruns]

72. Underpants gnomes. LOL

https://m.

[Efilroft Sul]

24. Republicans have gone the full Allahu Akbar flying the jet into the Capitol.

We should neither negotiate with nor assist the terrorists.

[Emile]

25. K&R

[Evolve Dammit]

26. They are all lockstep with the coup at this point. Grant them nothing except a fair trial.

[NCWilm]

27. 100%

You're totally right! Why would the Dems wring a defeat from the jaws of victory? They always seem to find a way to suck-it-up and lose.
They just need to stay the course and STIVK together!

[yardwork]

28. I have no idea why some Democrats run around blaming Democrats.

Have these people never played a team sport? Do they never watch sports?

I think of watching a basketball game. The ref calls a foul on our team. We protest! If it's a really egregious personal foul we might mumble that that wasn't a cool move but we don't call penalties on ourselves!

I swan.

[Oopsie Daisy]

35. I swanee, too!

I do not understand it.

[onecaliberal]

41. Agree. It's not on us. We vote for Hakeem Jeffries only.

[ZonkerHarris]

59. Unity!

[Hekate]

45. Kicking this for the reality-based community

[flashman13]

46. Nice rant but is it responsible? I will remind you the drop dead budget date is 11/17.

And then there are two other issues of world importance - Ukraine and Israel. As a country, we really need to get our act together.

There is no reason to believe that the Repugs can elect a speaker by 11/17 because the crazies want to shut down the government. No speaker is a good way to do that. We are so far out of "normal" that, why not go a little farther. So, I realize this is well outside range of normal, but here goes. I deplore Liz Chaney's politics and positions, but I will stand by her because she has demonstrated that she is a true patriot; country over personal power and party. She did the right thing when she joined and led the J6 Committee even though she knew she would lose her seat in 2022. I know this is the ultimate herding cats move, but next time a floor vote is to take place, the entire Democratic caucus should cast its votes for Chaney (of course Chaney and Jeffries will cut a deal first). Then we find out if there are any Republican members that have enough patriotism and stones to cross the aisle in order to get the country functioning again. Radical times call for radical solutions.

Then we could all watch Trump's head explode.

[ZonkerHarris]

60. Explain to me how the minority party in the House is completely responsible for any of this shit?

If the Republicans can't run the government and government shuts down, well, elections have consequences people.
Right now as the majority party in power republicans are in charge of every decision made in the House.
Period.

.

[Lettuce Be]

47. If they Rs can choose someone that is not an election denier, then I'd say yes

No way they'll ever choose Jeffries, but I do think the dems would be fine with a reasoned R. Just my thoughts.

[Warpy]

48. Once they ousted Kinzinger, that was pretty much impossible

While Liz Cheney did a good job as J6 chair, she was also a right wing true believer.

Kinzinger was a moderate, or the closest thing they've had to one in the past 25 years. Democrats might have voted for him. Few Reoublicans would.

Without him, they have no one left worth a single Democratic vote.

So let the split in that party get wider and deeper. Let it be on display for all the idiots who voted them in. And let it translate into a Donnybrook at their stupid convention next year.

[TeamProg]

52. I HAVEN'T read ANYTHING from ANYONE here SUGGESTING WE DO THAT. nt

[ZonkerHarris]

62. I think you need to read more posts here then...

Alhena (2,979 posts)
9. If so, we could just start voting Emmer. Doubt it will come to that- he has 100 or so strong supporters.

and this..
https://democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=18334182
https://democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=18331312

this links took less than a minute.
There are more....

[TeamProg]

78. Not much support here for voting with Republicans for a GOP Speaker. nt

[Lunabell]

53. Democrats need to get out and control the message!

Rethuglicans are bat shit kkkrazy and we need sensible representation. If they won't make a deal with Democrats and actually KEEP to the terms, then hell no! They're only digging their own grave. Let the adults at the table and see how things go.

[Beartracks]

54. It's actually time for Republicans to cut a deal and vote for a Democrat for Speaker.

They need to kneecap their extremist wing by doing an end run around it, negating its power.

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[Emile]

70. Yep, it's time for Republicans to come to us!

[sellitman]

57. It's time the GOP makes a deal with Democrats

And elects Hakeem Jeffries.

[NotVeryImportant]

61. THIS!!!

[D23MIURG23]

64. Kevin McCarthy was a piece of shit, but he allowed 45 days government funding.

The spectacle of a broken Republican party is amusing. But at a certain point they take the government and the economy down with them.

We need a baseline of functionality. They won't ever vote for Jeffries. There are more of them than us.

You do the math.

[ZonkerHarris]

66. and he broke his deal with Biden. Next!

[D23MIURG23]

82. Next will still be bad.

If you want good you'll have to figure out how to flip about 10 Republican seats to Democrats without a national election happening.

Would you prefer a shitty speaker or a year and change of inaction in the house? Those are the actual choices.

I think a year of govenment shutdown (including unpaid salaries, credit default, and national security paralysis) are probably worse for the country than McCarthy was as speaker.

[BlueMTexpat]

67. I can't believe

that any legitimate DU member is saying this.

[Martin Eden]

69. Many will suffer if our government shuts down

House Democrats should make a good faith effort to avoid that calamity by making the following deal:

Fund the government on the basis of the agreement made earlier this year when the debt default was avoided, and Dems will cross the aisle to vote for a responsible Speaker.

I'm not saying the R's will actually nominate and put up for a vote one of their members willing to make that deal...

But our Democratic Party should make that offer.

Why? 2 reasons:

1. It's the responsible thing to do in serving the people who need our government funded.

2. It absolves Democrats from blame in this matter, and could help us win back the House next year.

Yes, I know we're not to blame in the first place, but public perception tends to blame "both sides" when government doesn't function. We need to destroy that narrative and turn this situation to our advantage.

[Aepps22]

74. They Already Have

Under leader Jeffries that is exactly what our side has offered up from the beginning even as McCarthy was getting rejected. The reality is that you can't make a deal if the Republicans won't engage in the discussion. Republicans are cowards and weak. They know cutting a deal with our side would be career ending for them so they would rather do round after round of this nonsense to make sure they keep their jobs than cut a deal. If the speaker vote were on a secret ballot we wouldn't be here.

[Martin Eden]

76. Then they need to MESSAGE the hell out of that offer

KEEP REPEATING it over and over to the extent it can't be ignored, and EVERYONE is aware of it.

We have to CHANGE the "BOTH SIDES" NARRATIVE that Congress is dysfunctional.

NO, this is ALL on the REPUKES.

[Hotler]

73. +1. Please stop trying to help repugs fix their problems, let them squirm.

And stop suggesting that we be the ones to reach across the isle. Our tactic should be come and vote with us or suck it. And they should be told that to their face. Screw Roberts Rule of Order.

[ck4829]

75. K&R

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[Wonder Why]

77. I also believe that we Democrats need to think about the country and not just concentrating on

finishing off the party who cares more about their agenda than they do the American people. We owe it to all Americans no matter what they say, no matter what they think, no matter what they do. We owe it to our country, our Constitution and the American people.

We need to keep trying to negotiate.

[SpankMe]

79. I'd rather have a few Repubs vote for Jeffries

Crazier stuff has happened. I wonder how a Dem speaker in a majority Rep house would work?

If the Repubs can't get a speaker in the conventional way, I wonder if it's time for a great experiment where they choose a non-partisan, non-House member to lead the place for a while? I know "non-partisan" is an alloy of unobtanium. But there are some well liked Americans who might work.

[Army Brat]

81. Members calling for a deal are being realists

The Republicans will eventually elect a speaker, even without Democratic help.

Maybe today, and Johnson is MAGA through and through.

[Ford_Prefect]

83. No, they won't. There are at least 24 GOP who will not ever vote for anyone who is part of the Coup or advocated for it

The reasonable GOP members have been herded into a corner and threatened with dire consequences. They aren't gonna vote for the MAGA crew nor anyone who's a derivative of them. Most polls have it that the GOP has it all ass backwards about where Congress should be going and what it should be taking on 1st.

[Ace Rothstein]

84. Johnson is going to be the next Speaker.

[Ford_Prefect]

86. I 'm heading to the store to buy head of lettuce.

[jaxexpat]

88. I have an idea for a litmus test on this issue.

Do they use the passive-aggressive term "Democrat Party". If they do, you know what they are.