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Thu Nov 15, 2012, 06:33 PM

If active military personnel sign a "secede" petition, are they in breach of

their contract?

Found it at Freeperville:
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2960001/posts

IMPORTANT!!! IF YOU ARE ACTIVE DUTY AND THINKING OF SIGNING A SECESSION PETITION READ THIS THREAD
FR | 15 November 2012 | Repeat Offender
Posted on Thu Nov 15 2012 18:18:31 GMT-0500 (Eastern Standard Time) by Repeat Offender

Sorry for the vanity; especially the vanity in Breaking News; however, I thought this important enough that it should receive high visibility.

I have reason to believe that some Staff Judge Advocates and Special Security Officers are looking into the secession petitions at whitehouse.gov

From what I have heard if you are on Active Duty and sign a secession petition, you will be pursued as being in violation of your contract.

SSOs are screening the lists too; you can potentially say goodbye to your security clearance.

Don't do this to be a smart ass, funny, or cute. Understand the gravity of what you are putting your name to.

By all means if you wish to declare yourself at odds with the U.S. Government, and feel strongly enough feel free to do so. However, if you are unhappy with the election, deployment cycles, just think it is all a joke that won't be taken seriously - think again.

Don't ruin everything you worked for and fought for over something so trivial as an online petition...........there are biographers that are Reservist West Point grads for that.

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Reply If active military personnel sign a "secede" petition, are they in breach of (Original post)
Pryderi Nov 2012 OP
HooptieWagon Nov 2012 #1
orpupilofnature57 Nov 2012 #2
hrmjustin Nov 2012 #3
former9thward Nov 2012 #4
metalbot Nov 2012 #7
FSogol Nov 2012 #5
pinboy3niner Nov 2012 #8
FSogol Nov 2012 #9
GreenStormCloud Nov 2012 #6
FSogol Nov 2012 #10
GreenStormCloud Nov 2012 #11

Response to Pryderi (Original post)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 06:36 PM

1. Thats probably correct.

Same probably goes for elected officials, police officers, judges, etc.

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Response to Pryderi (Original post)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 06:37 PM

2. They would be Oxymorons .

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Response to Pryderi (Original post)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 08:18 PM

3. Hey if you are active duty and sign that you get what you deserve.

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Response to Pryderi (Original post)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 08:25 PM

4. No they aren't.

The nonsense in the OP (reprinted from freeperland no less -- when did they become acceptable?) is just that -- nonsense. No one is in "breach of contract" unless they in fact breach their contract. No contracts are broken by someone supporting a silly on line petition.

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Response to former9thward (Reply #4)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 08:35 PM

7. No, but technically they could lose security clearance

"The decision to issue interim and permanent clearance eligibility is made by a DISCO adjudicator -- a person trained in the process of reviewing and evaluating security clearance information. DISCO, like all U.S. government departments and agencies, uses 13 adjudicative guidelines that provide consistent evaluation standards. Financial considerations, criminal conduct, allegiance to the United States and outside activities are examples of adjudication standards."

http://www.dss.mil/about_dss/fact_sheets/disco_faqsheet.html

Though I think it's doubtful that anyone is going to dissect the logs of the White House website trying to track IP's, figure out who those IP addresses belong to, and then try to figure out if those people have security clearances.


Agreed that it is almost certainly not a breach of contract.

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Response to Pryderi (Original post)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 08:28 PM

5. What does this, "there are biographers that are Reservist West Point grads for that" mean?

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Response to FSogol (Reply #5)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 08:42 PM

8. It's a reference to Paula Broadwell

Petraeus' biographer/mistress is a West Point grad and Army Reservist.

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Response to pinboy3niner (Reply #8)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 09:34 PM

9. Thanks. Didn't realize she had gone to West Point. n/t

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Response to Pryderi (Original post)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 08:30 PM

6. Nope. None of the petitions call for violent revolution.

All of them request peaceful release, therefdore no violation of contract.

All of them are a joke.

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Response to GreenStormCloud (Reply #6)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 09:36 PM

10. Why would a security-minded US intelligence organization trust someone who want to secede?

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Response to FSogol (Reply #10)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 09:48 PM

11. The question is one of legality.

Show me where it is against the UCMJ. (Uniform Code of Military Justice)

Security clearance is a different question.

When I was in the service I lost my access to nuclear weapons due to a divorce, while it was happening. After enough time to heal the access can be restored. That was the Personal Reliability Program. For me, by that time I was in a different unit where I didn't need that access.

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