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Benghazi thing before it even gets started. That will take the wind out of the sails of the republicans who are trying to make hay already over this.
Take this off the table, and the GOP will be flailing at rainbows, and befuddled that their toy was taken away from them. The republicans are trying to make a mountain out of this, and might as well put it to bed with a surprise pre-emptive strike by having Susan Rice take responsibility and resigning.
What say you?
DURHAM D
(32,580 posts)lsewpershad
(2,620 posts)it's rediculous. The repukes LOST.
Jennicut
(25,415 posts)Screw the Repubs. They have nothing. She reported the intelligence she was given. They will move on to their next shiny toy. They have learned nothing since the 90's.
struggle4progress
(117,949 posts)dchill
(38,234 posts)yardwork
(61,331 posts)ProSense
(116,464 posts)handing out free drugs?
Make7
(8,543 posts)obnoxiousdrunk
(2,905 posts)bedwetters.
Ruining a woman's career and reputation to "take this off the table" is not appropriate. And I doubt if it would take it off the table at all, even if O were to act this dishonorably.
coalition_unwilling
(14,180 posts)immoderate
(20,885 posts)Susan Rice had pretty much nothing to do with Benghazi. She apparently does her job well. Why sacrafice her for no benefit?
--imm
GoCubsGo
(32,053 posts)They'll then harp on the President for using Susan Rice as a scapegoat. And, so will the people here who reflexively criticize the President for every damn thing he does or says. This has got to be one of the dumbest things I have read here in ages.
Squinch
(50,674 posts)She needs to stay right where she is.
ChazII
(6,198 posts)are already saying she is the scapegoat. I have read posts that said the WH gave her false information when they sent her on the Sunday talk show circuit.
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)Rather the opposite should be done: nominate Rice before Friday, have Reid put it on before Christmas, and display the information in the most public forum available, daring the GOP to deny her the appointment.
What is this cowardly retreat shit you're pushing. It's an embarrassment.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)I thought that some folks would take a holiday break after the election. You know, take a breather or something.
But the agony of sitting on their hands during the election has obviously caused them to pop up like lilacs in the spring.
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)by some people who have been denied their "I Told You So" moment.
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
(16,399 posts)Hey, why not "Obama should resign"?
Admit it, you thought about it before hitting "Post my reply!"
AsahinaKimi
(20,776 posts)Seems like Fox News starts the ball rolling and Republicans jump on as it rolls by... or Rush Limbaugh.
Mdterp01
(144 posts)Why should Susan Rice resign if she didn't do anything wrong. She verbalized whatever intelligence she received at the time. However, like in any investigation, there may be facts that come out later that contradict a previous understanding of events. It doesn't signal a cover up. It just signals that an investigation is a process where facts can and often do change.
lovemydog
(11,833 posts)If the President has confidence in her, so do I.
Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)It is pretty clear that she didn't do anything wrong. Her reported statements are consistent with reports of the information the CIA had at the time.
This began as a political attack to hurt Obama's national security credentials in an election.
It is continued as an attack against the executive branch to weaken it in all future negotiations with Republicans over the next four years.
If Obama surrenders Rice, who did nothing wrong, who will be the next sacrificial lamb?
Still Sensible
(2,870 posts)I think we all should know the full story before anyone thinks about taking one for the team. If someone eventually needs to fall on their sword, it won't be Rice. Based on the President's tone today, I expect he is ready to kick some ass if they try to go down the path on this.
MineralMan
(146,116 posts)We need to stop bowing to the minority in these matters.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)Obama should pre-emptively resign!!! That'll show the GOP he means business!!!!
DemocratsForProgress
(545 posts)TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)Whisp
(24,096 posts)thank Gawds you don't have any power of decision in this matter.
yikes.
ecstatic
(32,532 posts)Second of all, how is it fair to destroy someone's career based on desperate rw accusations?
Cleita
(75,480 posts)I don't consider it morally right, for one, and frankly not even politically smart either as it would be too transparent.
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elleng
(129,800 posts)charlyvi
(6,537 posts)and the next, and the next?
BeyondGeography
(39,227 posts)SleeplessinSoCal
(8,950 posts)Let the hearings commence so that it is put under the microscope like Holder was. He won in the end and was even stronger for it.
cali
(114,904 posts)Lex
(34,108 posts)and they are doing their echo-chamber thing again
dem4ward
(323 posts)The more crazy they look to the American people, the better chance we have in 2014 & 2016!
Ian David
(69,059 posts)Skidmore
(37,364 posts)from you surprise me?
Jeff In Milwaukee
(13,992 posts)I can assure you that if you step about 10 feet outside the Beltway, nobody but Fox Noise gives two shits about this subject.
Make the UN Ambassador resign and accept responsbility for something over which she had no control? Seriously? If Obama were to suggest that to Rice (and I can assure you that he won't) she would be within her rights to tell the POTUS to go fuck himself.
patrice
(47,992 posts)they want to talk about Intelligence, with their resume on that issue, that goes in our favor.
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)It's pretty clear the r's wanted Bengazi to throw the election, and saying they want a 'Watergate-like hearing". They are smearing Obama by suggesting a Watergate-like result.
Why? Because threat of impeachment is how they plan to negotiate' their deal on the fiscal cliff.
MjolnirTime
(1,800 posts)bigbrother05
(5,995 posts)Wait a minute, even after he got confirmation he was deliberately fed false info, he stayed on.
Amb Rice provided the most up-to-date info available during a fluid, ongoing situation to some interviewers on Sunday talk shows.
His testimony was plotted by Cheney and the Neo-Cons to drive the UN to sanction war; her interviews were to update the public.
Yeah, they are equal in their complicity and impact on the US and world as a whole.
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)leftynyc
(26,060 posts)I'd leave the Democratic party if the President allowed that to happen.
randome
(34,845 posts)Stop the hand-wringing.
graham4anything
(11,464 posts)this is all more racism on the repubs part
Liberal_Dog
(11,075 posts)Rice's resignation would not solve anything. The Repukes would still behave like a dog with a bone.
Mike Nelson
(9,881 posts)...it wouldn't stop the Republicans, either way.
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)One of DU's preeminent Obama haters slams the President and gets a bunch of people riled up. That's about the intellectual speed of 95% of this guy's posts. There's no there there.
quinnox
(20,600 posts)so decided to put it out there. I don't mind being told I'm way off in left field. Just wanted to see what others thought.
DURHAM D
(32,580 posts)yardwork
(61,331 posts)MineralMan
(146,116 posts)Did someone hack into your account on DU and post that? It's the only explanation I can think of for suggesting that a scapegoat be used to pacify the Republicans.
Or did you forget the smiley?
spanone
(135,586 posts)LeftInTX
(24,417 posts)Seriously????
Republicans are the ones that are looking stoopid for bringing up the video over and over.
NO WAY!!!
Gold Metal Flake
(13,805 posts)"Fuck it, have Rice resign, and take full responsibility for Benghazi, defang this
Benghazi thing before it even gets started. That will take the wind out of the sails of the republicans who are trying to make hay already over this.
Take this off the table, and the GOP will be flailing at rainbows, and befuddled that their toy was taken away from them. The republicans are trying to make a mountain out of this, and might as well put it to bed with a surprise pre-emptive strike by having Susan Rice take responsibility and resigning.
What say you?"
quinnox
(20,600 posts)Gold Metal Flake
(13,805 posts)Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)bowens43
(16,064 posts)frazzled
(18,402 posts)Although Benghazi reigns supreme here, it's frankly not being discussed in the mainstream news at all.
I just checked the front pages and "national" pages of three major American newspapers: The New York Times, The Washington Post, and even the Republican-leaning Chicago Tribune. Not one of them has a headline that focuses on Benghazi.
Now, maybe they will if John McCain and Lindsay Graham scream loud enough. But you know what? We control the Senate by a large margin now, and by extension, all the relevant investigative committees. There will be no right-wing-led "Watergate-type" investigation. This is bluster and and attempt to distract you from the fiscal negotiations, the election wins, etc.
We need to stop playing on the Republican's (and Fox News's) turf. We set the agenda. We talk about what's important. There is no "Benghazi thing."
LuvLoogie
(6,823 posts)Just sayin'...
still_one
(91,807 posts)they will be self-destructing because of it
That is what happens when you are blinded by hate
The President will not be the same person he was in the first term
He is well aware of the hate and disrespect afforded him by the extremist party who call themselves republicans
He made a point of meeting with progressive groups first
A small taste of what is to come was made at the press conference
arthritisR_US
(7,256 posts)and in unison doesn't make them right, it just makes them dick head bullies.
coalition_unwilling
(14,180 posts)right tone at his presser today.
SunsetDreams
(8,571 posts)cleduc
(653 posts)The Sept 15th CIA memo supported her account of events
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/benghazi-attack-becomes-political-ammunition/2012/10/19/e1ad82ae-1a2d-11e2-bd10-5ff056538b7c_story.html
that were known at that time.
I've followed her since 2007 or so when she was involved as an adviser to the Obama campaign. I reviewed her bio back then and I've had no issues with her. She seems quite capable.
CitizenPatriot
(3,783 posts)They will just find something else to attack over. there is no THERE on this, so let them run around chasing their CIA leaking tails. They look like morons.
Yes, you're tired of them talking about it, so is everyone else, but when has that ever shut a Republican up? You will never achieve shutting them up, so that is a faulty goal.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)"Give the Republicans exactly what they want! That'll discourage them!"
"Agree with their lies! They'll totally admit being wrong"
"if we shoot ourselves in the foot it'll hobble the other guy!"
You say what?
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)as Weeper-in-Chief...and the right STILL wouldn't let Benghazi go.
It was what they counted on to beat us at the polls...and they will NEVER forgive the country for not falling for it.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)"What say you?"
Deepest one-dimensional mind I'm aware of...
quinnox
(20,600 posts)that is the first time I think you have made me chuckle. Good one!
Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)AntiFascist
(12,792 posts)it's the CIA itself. But then, Watergate was all about plugging leaks.
Dems50State
(147 posts)It will make them want to go after people more all the way up to the President because now they will calm the President is hiding something.
matt819
(10,749 posts)She had nothing to do with the events in Libya. None.
As the President said, all she did was make a presentation based on the information she was provided, information she had every reason to have confidence in at the time she presented it.
Yes, it's unfortunate that this information was, or might have been, wrong. This is what happens with fast-breaking developments. But to request her resignation? That's utter nonsense.
elfin
(6,262 posts)They will keep looking for reasons, any reasons at all to make the recently disappointed base happy and check writing once again.
joeybee12
(56,177 posts)myrna minx
(22,772 posts)quinnox
(20,600 posts)I don't mind being told I'm out in left field.
myrna minx
(22,772 posts)republicans are screaming about some made up conspiracy, concocted on FOX news? The President won in an LANDSLIDE. Neither he, nor Rice owe them anything, *especially* a resignation.
truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)that would be right field...
stopbush
(24,366 posts)That was also an incident where a government representative got up and delivered intel that had supposedly been provided by the intelligence agencies. Were McCain and Graham after Powell's skin after the UN debacle?
quinnox
(20,600 posts)Squinch
(50,674 posts)I can agree with you. From things he's said since, I think HE could agree with you on that.
That was a terrible thing, wasn't it?
gateley
(62,683 posts)to do with Rice -- it's about Obama.
Tommy_Carcetti
(43,053 posts)Give them a sacraficial lamb for their fake, contrived "scandal" and they'll go away.
Bullshit they will.
They'll call it a victory. You'll only encourage them, and they'll just keep going at it and going at it like they did with Clinton, well past the expiration date.
Don't give into these bullies.
TxBluebonnetDem
(25 posts)She did nothing wrong--why should she lose her career and her reputation because there was a screw up in intelligence communications somewhere. The administration needed someone to make the rounds to put the current CIA updates out to the public--she did that. She had the same information ALL members of congress had access to, she did not misrepresent a damn thing. McCain and Graham both know this--They're looking for a fight, a reason to turn this into a huge impeachable offense. Same crap they pulled with Clinton. The difference between then and now is that we know what they're capable of and so does the Obama administration. So good luck with that...This reeks of a set up for a "tainted" administration in 2014. I don't see it happening, once the information is made public, I think this will be a screw up on the way information was processed and distributed.
veganlush
(2,049 posts)This is a perfect example of what the Dems get wrong; the message. We had this failing already with the ACA. We sat back and let them describe it as a socialist rationing plan to kill granny and they got away with it because the Dems, including the admin, didn't publicly disagree with that assessment and fight back. If i see someone come up to you, call you a thief, slap your face and walk away, and you are just standing there looking at the ground, I'm gonna suspect that there's something to the charge. That's what happened with the ACA, we didn't fight back, and the half-awake masses took that as a guilty plea.
The administration is not in the best position to do it yet, but the rest of the dems should be shouting down the media with the truth of the Benghazi matter, instead we're all just sitting here letting the bogus charges stick. Rice told what SHE was told, period. There was a CIA operation going on. Since when do we come out right after something like that, a criminal act is committed and before anyone is caught we tip them off as to everything we know? It doesn't work that way. They have nothing on the president about Benghazi.
As for giving up Rice and then they will be done? laughable. That would be the starting gun for the rabid right.
I think that the GOP has to play their game out to the bitter end.
Go all in GOP.
rock
(13,218 posts)I hear they have a lot left over from the election.
RagAss
(13,832 posts)quinnox
(20,600 posts)Marr
(20,317 posts)If they want to create a scandal, let them do it on their own. Rice's resignation would be a tacit endorsement of their silly claims.
The fact is the Republicans were just seriously pounded in an election, and this whole thing is just more of the political bullshit they've become known-- and electorally punished-- for. PRAY they keep pushing this thing. It'll lose them the House in two years.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)IMPEACHMENt. That would make it "easy."
Oh and one more thing... you never ever give in to the bullies... trust me on this one.
EmeraldCityGrl
(4,310 posts)quinnox
(20,600 posts)EmeraldCityGrl
(4,310 posts)Dorothy trying to wake the Lion that has fallen asleep in the poppy field and had
a momentary lapse of judgement.
Stinky The Clown
(67,623 posts)It makes as much sense.
quinnox
(20,600 posts)Squinch
(50,674 posts)BigDemVoter
(4,149 posts)That will just encourage those asshats to go after another innocent person. For good god's sake, let's not throw red meat to them; that's EXACTLY what they want! Your statement is INSANE.
OldDem2012
(3,526 posts)quinnox
(20,600 posts)chelsea0011
(10,115 posts)quinnox
(20,600 posts)beachbumbob
(9,263 posts)obama doesn't possess the cowardly streak to allow him to that nor would americans respect him for doing such a thing. Bring it on is obama one and only route. Screw the nutcases like mccain
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)quinnox
(20,600 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Sekhmets Daughter
(7,515 posts)and supporter under the bus. Prove to the rethugs that you are a spineless coward with no sense of loyalty. Sounds like a plan to me.
sarcasm
pointsoflight
(1,372 posts)If Rice were to resign (for no f'in reason), republicans would just take it as a sign that there's something more there, and they'll keep pushing to see who else they can take down.
You don't defeat bullies by giving into them. You defeat them by standing up to them and exposing them for what they are.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)zinnisking
(405 posts)SoapLovah
(23 posts)Nothing will stop the loons until they're sent packing in abject humiliation.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Response to quinnox (Original post)
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JoeyT
(6,785 posts)Handing them a scalp when they were fishing for shit always worked out well for us before, I can't imagine how it could go wrong this time.
Damn that. There's no hay to be made. Yeah, the Fox crowd will believe the president did terrible evil things....but what else is new?
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)Trashing this ridiculous thread!
OregonBlue
(7,743 posts)Raine
(30,520 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)craigmatic
(4,510 posts)should have to resign over this it should be Clinton because the state department is her zone of influence and they asked her for additional security. Rice's hands are clean on this. But you know something fuck that this was just an attack and nobody involved wanted it to happen so fuck the republicans for trying to make this into an issue.
tblue37
(64,860 posts)she was handed by the CIA. She didn't make up the information. She was just the messenger. She herself had nothing to do with anything involved with what went down in Benghazi.
To ask her to resign and to make her the scapegoat when she is blameless would be the most repulsive sort of executive ass-covering--the sort one expects of Republican bosses, not of Obama!
Hekate
(89,977 posts)Christ on a trailer hitch, have we learned nothing from the past 20 years?
The GOP is relentless in its desire to destroy the Dems. They have made it an unalterable goal of their party: Destroy and Obstruct every Democratic nominee, every Democratic program, every Democratic bill. Every single goddam time that the Democrats cave in and toss someone or something to the GOP wolves, the GOP rips it to shreds and then starts looking around for the next thing before they've even stopped licking their chops.
Hekate
On the Road
(20,783 posts)hold a closed-door session with the appropriate congressional committees and tell them all the gory intgelligence details that cannot be released to the public.
It should close by saying that if the Republican members would like to broadcast these details to the public, they are welcome to do so, but it may cause further deaths of Americans. That would put the responsibility at the feet of the people who are making such a ridiculous stink out of this.
one_voice
(20,043 posts)was stupid..who knew you had more in you...
truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)Totally unwarranted, completely useless since the thugs will just chase someone else AND continues the all-too-familiar policy of running at the first sign of trouble that Democrats have perfected lo these many years. Enough!