Fuck it, have Rice resign, and take full responsibility for Benghazi, defang this

[quinnox]

Benghazi thing before it even gets started. That will take the wind out of the sails of the republicans who are trying to make hay already over this.

Take this off the table, and the GOP will be flailing at rainbows, and befuddled that their toy was taken away from them. The republicans are trying to make a mountain out of this, and might as well put it to bed with a surprise pre-emptive strike by having Susan Rice take responsibility and resigning.

What say you?

[DURHAM D]

1. complete drivel

[lsewpershad]

128. Not just drivel

it's rediculous. The repukes LOST.

[Jennicut]

2. She did nothing wrong.

Screw the Repubs. They have nothing. She reported the intelligence she was given. They will move on to their next shiny toy. They have learned nothing since the 90's.

[struggle4progress]

46. +

[dchill]

3. I say NO.

[yardwork]

4. Um, no.

[ProSense]

5. Are the DU admins

handing out free drugs?

[Make7]

6. And they say Democrats have no spine! ( n/t )

[obnoxiousdrunk]

7. No wonder they call us

bedwetters.

[charlyvi]

8. No.

Ruining a woman's career and reputation to "take this off the table" is not appropriate. And I doubt if it would take it off the table at all, even if O were to act this dishonorably.

[coalition_unwilling]

64. It will just embolden the Rape-publi-scum - n/t

[immoderate]

9. I say they will find something else to harp on.

Susan Rice had pretty much nothing to do with Benghazi. She apparently does her job well. Why sacrafice her for no benefit?

--imm

[GoCubsGo]

45. Absolutely.

They'll then harp on the President for using Susan Rice as a scapegoat. And, so will the people here who reflexively criticize the President for every damn thing he does or says. This has got to be one of the dumbest things I have read here in ages.

[Squinch]

97. And they'll also say all over the air waves, "this proves we were right."

She needs to stay right where she is.

[ChazII]

111. RWingers

are already saying she is the scapegoat. I have read posts that said the WH gave her false information when they sent her on the Sunday talk show circuit.

[alcibiades_mystery]

10. Sounds like some exquisite Coward Juice you've been drinking

Rather the opposite should be done: nominate Rice before Friday, have Reid put it on before Christmas, and display the information in the most public forum available, daring the GOP to deny her the appointment.

What is this cowardly retreat shit you're pushing. It's an embarrassment.

[jberryhill]

80. The election is over

I thought that some folks would take a holiday break after the election. You know, take a breather or something.

But the agony of sitting on their hands during the election has obviously caused them to pop up like lilacs in the spring.

[alcibiades_mystery]

122. It is very interesting indeed to see the long knives come out for the President

by some people who have been denied their "I Told You So" moment.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

11. Brilliant tactical move

Hey, why not "Obama should resign"?

Admit it, you thought about it before hitting "Post my reply!"

[AsahinaKimi]

12. Wasn't this whole thing started by FOX NEWS...??

Seems like Fox News starts the ball rolling and Republicans jump on as it rolls by... or Rush Limbaugh.

[Mdterp01]

13. Hell no she shouldn't resign

Why should Susan Rice resign if she didn't do anything wrong. She verbalized whatever intelligence she received at the time. However, like in any investigation, there may be facts that come out later that contradict a previous understanding of events. It doesn't signal a cover up. It just signals that an investigation is a process where facts can and often do change.

[lovemydog]

14. I say no.

If the President has confidence in her, so do I.

[Agnosticsherbet]

15. Resign for what?

It is pretty clear that she didn't do anything wrong. Her reported statements are consistent with reports of the information the CIA had at the time.

This began as a political attack to hurt Obama's national security credentials in an election.

It is continued as an attack against the executive branch to weaken it in all future negotiations with Republicans over the next four years.

If Obama surrenders Rice, who did nothing wrong, who will be the next sacrificial lamb?

[Still Sensible]

16. No.

I think we all should know the full story before anyone thinks about taking one for the team. If someone eventually needs to fall on their sword, it won't be Rice. Based on the President's tone today, I expect he is ready to kick some ass if they try to go down the path on this.

[MineralMan]

17. No. Let the Republicans bring it.

We need to stop bowing to the minority in these matters.

[JoePhilly]

18. Pre-emptive strike? .... You are calling for "pre-emptive surrender" .... BWahahahahahahaha!!!!

Obama should pre-emptively resign!!! That'll show the GOP he means business!!!!

[DemocratsForProgress]

19. Goodness, how brave!

[TwilightGardener]

20. No. She didn't do anything wrong. This is just silly shit.

[Whisp]

21. what pure hogwash.

thank Gawds you don't have any power of decision in this matter.

yikes.

[ecstatic]

22. first of all, the repubs will never stop. If it's not this, it'll be something else

Second of all, how is it fair to destroy someone's career based on desperate rw accusations?

[Cleita]

23. You want to ruin this woman's career by making her the scapegoat?

I don't consider it morally right, for one, and frankly not even politically smart either as it would be too transparent.

[elleng]

25. Bull shit.

[charlyvi]

26. And who would be sacrificed the next time,

and the next, and the next?

[BeyondGeography]

27. I guess you missed the presser

[SleeplessinSoCal]

28. You do not give in on truth telling. Rice stays. McCain, Graham and the FNC need a comeuppance.

Let the hearings commence so that it is put under the microscope like Holder was. He won in the end and was even stronger for it.

[cali]

29. I say that's a startlingly ignorant OP.

[Lex]

30. the whole thing about Benghazi is a rightwing nutjob circle jerk

and they are doing their echo-chamber thing again

[dem4ward]

31. HELL NO! Let them stay crazy!

The more crazy they look to the American people, the better chance we have in 2014 & 2016!

[Ian David]

32. How about he just blames you for it and has you deported? n/t

[Skidmore]

33. Now why doesn't this POS

from you surprise me?

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

34. Are you friggin' deranged?

I can assure you that if you step about 10 feet outside the Beltway, nobody but Fox Noise gives two shits about this subject.

Make the UN Ambassador resign and accept responsbility for something over which she had no control? Seriously? If Obama were to suggest that to Rice (and I can assure you that he won't) she would be within her rights to tell the POTUS to go fuck himself.

[patrice]

35. Fuck, no! We get to talk about April Glaspie, Curve-Ball, The Original October Suprises. Heck,

they want to talk about Intelligence, with their resume on that issue, that goes in our favor.

[HereSince1628]

36. Obama did the "buck stops here" thing today, sort of makes that moot.

It's pretty clear the r's wanted Bengazi to throw the election, and saying they want a 'Watergate-like hearing". They are smearing Obama by suggesting a Watergate-like result.

Why? Because threat of impeachment is how they plan to negotiate' their deal on the fiscal cliff.

[MjolnirTime]

37. are you that dumb?

[bigbrother05]

38. Yeah, like C. Powell resigned after he lied to the UN?

Wait a minute, even after he got confirmation he was deliberately fed false info, he stayed on.

Amb Rice provided the most up-to-date info available during a fluid, ongoing situation to some interviewers on Sunday talk shows.

His testimony was plotted by Cheney and the Neo-Cons to drive the UN to sanction war; her interviews were to update the public.

Yeah, they are equal in their complicity and impact on the US and world as a whole.

[Arugula Latte]

39. How about Obama does that as soon as Dubya comes forward and confesses about 9-11

[leftynyc]

40. Give in to the whining swine?

I'd leave the Democratic party if the President allowed that to happen.

[randome]

41. Responsibility for what? For an attack on our embassy?

Stop the hand-wringing.

[graham4anything]

42. Susan Rice for SCOTUS

this is all more racism on the repubs part

[Liberal_Dog]

43. Totally Disagree

Rice's resignation would not solve anything. The Repukes would still behave like a dog with a bone.

[Mike Nelson]

44. No reason for her to resign, and...

...it wouldn't stop the Republicans, either way.

[TwilightGardener]

47. Did this go the way you thought, then?

[alcibiades_mystery]

51. I think it probably did

One of DU's preeminent Obama haters slams the President and gets a bunch of people riled up. That's about the intellectual speed of 95% of this guy's posts. There's no there there.

[quinnox]

52. It was a flitting thought

so decided to put it out there. I don't mind being told I'm way off in left field. Just wanted to see what others thought.

[DURHAM D]

55. "flit" is the operative word.

[yardwork]

57. You're not in left field.

[MineralMan]

48. What a disappointment your post is, quinnox.

Did someone hack into your account on DU and post that? It's the only explanation I can think of for suggesting that a scapegoat be used to pacify the Republicans.

Or did you forget the smiley?

[spanone]

49. bullshit. FUCK MCCAIN

[LeftInTX]

50. What did she do that was so darn wrong?

Seriously????

Republicans are the ones that are looking stoopid for bringing up the video over and over.


NO WAY!!!

[Gold Metal Flake]

53. Fuck it, delete your post and take full responsibility for wasting DU bandwidth.

"Fuck it, have Rice resign, and take full responsibility for Benghazi, defang this
Benghazi thing before it even gets started. That will take the wind out of the sails of the republicans who are trying to make hay already over this.

Take this off the table, and the GOP will be flailing at rainbows, and befuddled that their toy was taken away from them. The republicans are trying to make a mountain out of this, and might as well put it to bed with a surprise pre-emptive strike by having Susan Rice take responsibility and resigning.

What say you?"

[quinnox]

56. I was thinking about it but, now I won't

[Gold Metal Flake]

60. Oh, you are precious!

[Cali_Democrat]

54. What a lame ass post

[bowens43]

58. Nonsnse. That would be an admission of guilt.

[frazzled]

59. There is no "thing" (unless you're glued to Fox News)

Although Benghazi reigns supreme here, it's frankly not being discussed in the mainstream news at all.

I just checked the front pages and "national" pages of three major American newspapers: The New York Times, The Washington Post, and even the Republican-leaning Chicago Tribune. Not one of them has a headline that focuses on Benghazi.

Now, maybe they will if John McCain and Lindsay Graham scream loud enough. But you know what? We control the Senate by a large margin now, and by extension, all the relevant investigative committees. There will be no right-wing-led "Watergate-type" investigation. This is bluster and and attempt to distract you from the fiscal negotiations, the election wins, etc.

We need to stop playing on the Republican's (and Fox News's) turf. We set the agenda. We talk about what's important. There is no "Benghazi thing."

[LuvLoogie]

61. If you are bored, may I suggest you take up basket weaving?

Just sayin'...

[quinnox]

63. lol

[still_one]

62. Never never give in to bullies or liars. The republicans are making a very serious mistake, and

they will be self-destructing because of it

That is what happens when you are blinded by hate

The President will not be the same person he was in the first term

He is well aware of the hate and disrespect afforded him by the extremist party who call themselves republicans

He made a point of meeting with progressive groups first

A small taste of what is to come was made at the press conference

[arthritisR_US]

65. I strongly disagree. Just because they bark loudly

and in unison doesn't make them right, it just makes them dick head bullies.

[coalition_unwilling]

66. When you give in to Rape-publi-scum bullies, you merely embolden them. Obama struck EXACTLY the

right tone at his presser today.

[SunsetDreams]

67. LOL they would like nothing better!

[cleduc]

68. I don't understand the attack on Rice beyond partisan reasons

The Sept 15th CIA memo supported her account of events
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/benghazi-attack-becomes-political-ammunition/2012/10/19/e1ad82ae-1a2d-11e2-bd10-5ff056538b7c_story.html
that were known at that time.

I've followed her since 2007 or so when she was involved as an adviser to the Obama campaign. I reviewed her bio back then and I've had no issues with her. She seems quite capable.

[CitizenPatriot]

69. Um NO

They will just find something else to attack over. there is no THERE on this, so let them run around chasing their CIA leaking tails. They look like morons.

Yes, you're tired of them talking about it, so is everyone else, but when has that ever shut a Republican up? You will never achieve shutting them up, so that is a faulty goal.

[Scootaloo]

70. I say that that's a really dumb idea.

"Give the Republicans exactly what they want! That'll discourage them!"
"Agree with their lies! They'll totally admit being wrong"
"if we shoot ourselves in the foot it'll hobble the other guy!"

You say what?

[Ken Burch]

71. The whole cabinet could resign, Obama/Biden could renounce their win, Boehner could take over

as Weeper-in-Chief...and the right STILL wouldn't let Benghazi go.

It was what they counted on to beat us at the polls...and they will NEVER forgive the country for not falling for it.

[LanternWaste]

72. Deepest one-dimensional mind I'm aware of...

"What say you?"

Deepest one-dimensional mind I'm aware of...

[quinnox]

73. lol

that is the first time I think you have made me chuckle. Good one!

[Blue_In_AK]

74. Don't negotiate with terrorists.

[AntiFascist]

75. If anything needs to be investigated...

it's the CIA itself. But then, Watergate was all about plugging leaks.

[Dems50State]

76. wrong way to handle Republicans

It will make them want to go after people more all the way up to the President because now they will calm the President is hiding something.

[matt819]

77. You're insane

She had nothing to do with the events in Libya. None.

As the President said, all she did was make a presentation based on the information she was provided, information she had every reason to have confidence in at the time she presented it.

Yes, it's unfortunate that this information was, or might have been, wrong. This is what happens with fast-breaking developments. But to request her resignation? That's utter nonsense.

[elfin]

78. Nah, they are hellbent on impeachment hearings and TV time

They will keep looking for reasons, any reasons at all to make the recently disappointed base happy and check writing once again.

[joeybee12]

79. Unrec...don't give in to the Nazi scum...nt

[myrna minx]

81. Why should she resign? She did nothing wrong! Bizarre logic.

[quinnox]

83. to take one for the team, to fall on her sword, etc.

I don't mind being told I'm out in left field.

[myrna minx]

89. Take one for the team for what? Who did anything wrong? Why should anyone resign because the

republicans are screaming about some made up conspiracy, concocted on FOX news? The President won in an LANDSLIDE. Neither he, nor Rice owe them anything, *especially* a resignation.

[truebluegreen]

135. Sorry, you seem confused:

that would be right field...

[stopbush]

82. Did Colin Powell resign after he gave his bogus UN presentation on Iraq?

That was also an incident where a government representative got up and delivered intel that had supposedly been provided by the intelligence agencies. Were McCain and Graham after Powell's skin after the UN debacle?

[quinnox]

84. No, but he sure as shit should have

[Squinch]

104. On THAT,

I can agree with you. From things he's said since, I think HE could agree with you on that.

That was a terrible thing, wasn't it?

[gateley]

85. It wouldn't defang anything -- they'd merely switch their focus of attack. It has nothing

to do with Rice -- it's about Obama.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

86. People made the same bullshit argument about Holder and the Fast and Furious "scandal".

Give them a sacraficial lamb for their fake, contrived "scandal" and they'll go away.

Bullshit they will.

They'll call it a victory. You'll only encourage them, and they'll just keep going at it and going at it like they did with Clinton, well past the expiration date.

Don't give into these bullies.

[TxBluebonnetDem]

87. Hell No. End of Story.

She did nothing wrong--why should she lose her career and her reputation because there was a screw up in intelligence communications somewhere. The administration needed someone to make the rounds to put the current CIA updates out to the public--she did that. She had the same information ALL members of congress had access to, she did not misrepresent a damn thing. McCain and Graham both know this--They're looking for a fight, a reason to turn this into a huge impeachable offense. Same crap they pulled with Clinton. The difference between then and now is that we know what they're capable of and so does the Obama administration. So good luck with that...This reeks of a set up for a "tainted" administration in 2014. I don't see it happening, once the information is made public, I think this will be a screw up on the way information was processed and distributed.

[veganlush]

88. sorry, you are all wet on this one

This is a perfect example of what the Dems get wrong; the message. We had this failing already with the ACA. We sat back and let them describe it as a socialist rationing plan to kill granny and they got away with it because the Dems, including the admin, didn't publicly disagree with that assessment and fight back. If i see someone come up to you, call you a thief, slap your face and walk away, and you are just standing there looking at the ground, I'm gonna suspect that there's something to the charge. That's what happened with the ACA, we didn't fight back, and the half-awake masses took that as a guilty plea.

The administration is not in the best position to do it yet, but the rest of the dems should be shouting down the media with the truth of the Benghazi matter, instead we're all just sitting here letting the bogus charges stick. Rice told what SHE was told, period. There was a CIA operation going on. Since when do we come out right after something like that, a criminal act is committed and before anyone is caught we tip them off as to everything we know? It doesn't work that way. They have nothing on the president about Benghazi.

As for giving up Rice and then they will be done? laughable. That would be the starting gun for the rabid right.

[creon]

90. No

I think that the GOP has to play their game out to the bitter end.

Go all in GOP.

[rock]

91. Let them (The Shitpublicans) eat cake!

I hear they have a lot left over from the election.

[RagAss]

92. Thanks for stopping in, Mr. Hannity,

[quinnox]

93. you cut me to the quick with that one, I DESPISE Hannity

[Marr]

94. Hell no.

If they want to create a scandal, let them do it on their own. Rice's resignation would be a tacit endorsement of their silly claims.

The fact is the Republicans were just seriously pounded in an election, and this whole thing is just more of the political bullshit they've become known-- and electorally punished-- for. PRAY they keep pushing this thing. It'll lose them the House in two years.

[nadinbrzezinski]

95. Here is what Republicans want

IMPEACHMENt. That would make it "easy."

Oh and one more thing... you never ever give in to the bullies... trust me on this one.

[EmeraldCityGrl]

96. What a cowardly idea.

[quinnox]

102. well, aren't you just a peach

[EmeraldCityGrl]

124. Think of me as

Dorothy trying to wake the Lion that has fallen asleep in the poppy field and had
a momentary lapse of judgement.

[Stinky The Clown]

98. I have a better idea. Let her stay and you resign. Or me.

It makes as much sense.

[quinnox]

100. I hear ya, bud

[Squinch]

99. If McCain and Graham resigned, that would end the whole thing too. Let's push for that instead.

[BigDemVoter]

101. Are you mad?

That will just encourage those asshats to go after another innocent person. For good god's sake, let's not throw red meat to them; that's EXACTLY what they want! Your statement is INSANE.

[OldDem2012]

103. That's a bunch of week-old buffalo dung. Next. nt.

[quinnox]

105. you get points for colorful expressions

[chelsea0011]

106. About time Condi take the blame for something

[quinnox]

107. touche

[beachbumbob]

108. idiot suggestion

obama doesn't possess the cowardly streak to allow him to that nor would americans respect him for doing such a thing. Bring it on is obama one and only route. Screw the nutcases like mccain

[jberryhill]

109. I believe your ship has come in, quinnox....

[quinnox]

112. after reading most of the responses, I feel like I'm being exiled to a deserted island somewhere

[jberryhill]

114. I believe the failboat has twice daily service there

[Sekhmets Daughter]

110. Sure, throw a longtime friend

and supporter under the bus. Prove to the rethugs that you are a spineless coward with no sense of loyalty. Sounds like a plan to me.

sarcasm

[pointsoflight]

113. Absolutely not. And it wouldn't stop them anyway.

If Rice were to resign (for no f'in reason), republicans would just take it as a sign that there's something more there, and they'll keep pushing to see who else they can take down.

You don't defeat bullies by giving into them. You defeat them by standing up to them and exposing them for what they are.

[stevenleser]

115. The Derp is Strong with this one

[zinnisking]

125. That is a not nice.

[SoapLovah]

116. She's a spokesperson who stepped in from another division. What would blaming her accomplish?

Nothing will stop the loons until they're sent packing in abject humiliation.

[hrmjustin]

117. Rice did nothing wrong!

[JoeyT]

119. Great plan.

Handing them a scalp when they were fishing for shit always worked out well for us before, I can't imagine how it could go wrong this time.

Damn that. There's no hay to be made. Yeah, the Fox crowd will believe the president did terrible evil things....but what else is new?

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

120. I say you're full of shit. The president isn't a coward and Rice didn't nothing wrong.

Trashing this ridiculous thread!

[OregonBlue]

121. Did you forget the sarcasm thingy?????

[Raine]

123. NO, absolutely NOT ... Hell NO!!! nt

[Warren DeMontague]

126. There is no "Benghazi thing"

[craigmatic]

127. She's UN ambassador and had nothing to do with this. They just don't want her at state. If anybody

should have to resign over this it should be Clinton because the state department is her zone of influence and they asked her for additional security. Rice's hands are clean on this. But you know something fuck that this was just an attack and nobody involved wanted it to happen so fuck the republicans for trying to make this into an issue.

[tblue37]

129. Nonsense. She is not even slightly responsible. She merely gave a report based on the intelligence

she was handed by the CIA. She didn't make up the information. She was just the messenger. She herself had nothing to do with anything involved with what went down in Benghazi.

To ask her to resign and to make her the scapegoat when she is blameless would be the most repulsive sort of executive ass-covering--the sort one expects of Republican bosses, not of Obama!

[Hekate]

130. No. Nothing will "defang" them. They will find another shiny object immediately

Christ on a trailer hitch, have we learned nothing from the past 20 years?

The GOP is relentless in its desire to destroy the Dems. They have made it an unalterable goal of their party: Destroy and Obstruct every Democratic nominee, every Democratic program, every Democratic bill. Every single goddam time that the Democrats cave in and toss someone or something to the GOP wolves, the GOP rips it to shreds and then starts looking around for the next thing before they've even stopped licking their chops.



Hekate

[On the Road]

131. I Think the White House Should

hold a closed-door session with the appropriate congressional committees and tell them all the gory intgelligence details that cannot be released to the public.

It should close by saying that if the Republican members would like to broadcast these details to the public, they are welcome to do so, but it may cause further deaths of Americans. That would put the responsibility at the feet of the people who are making such a ridiculous stink out of this.

[one_voice]

132. And I thought your earilier OP...

was stupid..who knew you had more in you...

[truebluegreen]

133. NO!

Totally unwarranted, completely useless since the thugs will just chase someone else AND continues the all-too-familiar policy of running at the first sign of trouble that Democrats have perfected lo these many years. Enough!

[Warren Stupidity]

134. Fuck no. Drive through an ambush, don't retreat.