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Mon Nov 12, 2012, 08:51 AM

The untold truth behind the GOP election meltdown

The untold truth behind the GOP election meltdown

by Vent

In all the celebrating, gloating and pure entertainment of the GOP internal war going on since the re-election of President Obama, the key to the sweetness of this victory for me, isn't being talked about. Even worse, I fear we're actually making the mistake in some cases of giving the GOP a pass on what I'm about to share.

I enjoy online forums, blogs and pretty much anywhere I can debate various issues and topics. Today I came across something that forced me to put my celebration on pause and really take some time to reflect on just what had happened and what it all means. Let me share this brief back and forth I had today in one of the forums I frequent, with a severely conservative, Christian man I assume from the context of previous postings, to be in the 50-60 year old range. Let's call him Bob and it all started with this question:

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At this point I realized we'd run out of tin foil on aisle 4 and as I walked away from the computer I laughed thinking, "this is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard." But then my laughter turned to confusion and then sadness as I began to process what he was really trying to say to me. I obviously understood he was in mourning over the loss but as I dwelled on this brief exchange, I began to realize that it's about much more than his candidate simply not winning and far beyond any political party. This was much deeper than all of that.

What Bob had really lost in this election was his vision of America. The vision that had been preserved since before he was born and the vision he grew up fighting to preserve. Now, we're not talking about a "Romney" vision of America where it's about making the rich, richer with more trickle down economics. No, he was talking about an America of, by and for white people. With the re-election of Barack Obama, he saw his vision of America crumble for good and it's the same vision that all of conservatism saw crumble.

The depths of depression and soul searching going on in the GOP is rooted in that thinking. For them it's the same. It's not just losing an election. This election was special. This election was for all the marbles but not because they want to cut spending or balance the budget for fear of rising debt. No, that's just a smoke screen for the agenda that has survived for way to long.

This election represented the last desperate hope to retain that iron fist grip of racist American leadership. The hope that in Obama's defeat, minorities would not get the even playing field or ladders of opportunity. That through continued racist leadership, minorities would continue to be oppressed and barred from entering into and equally participating in their exclusive, whites only club called "America".

You can also look at the actions of the right since the election to further absorb this truth. Conservatives don't change unless they have to. They are upset because they realize with the realities of demographics that they have to welcome in blacks, latinos, single women (sluts as they call them) and homosexuals. They are upset because they have to welcome into their party the very people they not only despise but seek to destroy. What a terrible predicament they find themselves in. How do you reach out to people you hate?

Don't under estimate the GOP. This election cycle proved that if you can lie faster than fact checkers can keep up with, you can still get nearly half of the electorate to buy into your BS. I wrote this not just because I really needed to let it out but because it's important we never forget who these people are and what they truly represent. The war on entitlements is not about debt or being able to increase military spending. It's about oppression and preventing minorities from having an equal stake in America. It's about keeping minorities broke and uneducated. It's about preserving a vision of America that has been real for way too long.

I don't mean to suggest that there isn't a war against many other issues like gay marriage and a woman's right to choose. But if you notice since the election, there is no big uproar over the gay marriage initiatives that passed. There are no cries for the 2-3 justices that will swing the SCOTUS to a 6-3 or even 7-2 Democrat lean. Effectively ending all hopes at overturning Roe v Wade, but why? Because that's not what this election was about for them. The America they love is an America of white supremacy. Anyone who thought electing the first black president bought us racial reconciliation is as delusional as the people who bought into the skewed polls nonsense.

I don't mean to sound overly dramatic but this election was an extension of the Civil War. A battle that will live on in our history like Gettysburg. Now, Gettysburg did not end the Civil War and neither will this election. This war goes on but the silver lining that we can take from Gettysburg is that one, this is a turning point in the war and two, it's the point in the war that for the first time in my lifetime I can say, "We are winning!"

Take nothing for granted and leave nothing to chance. Be ready for 2014 because just like 2010 I assure you, they will be ready. Thank you for reading and God bless.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/11/11/1160599/-The-untold-truth-behind-the-GOP-election-meltdown

Spot on. The pundits created a myth around the white vote, which hasn't changed over the last four decades. President Obama did as well among whites as every other Democratic Presidential candidate since Carter.

2012 Obama-39%
2008 Obama-43%
2004 Kerry-41%
2000- Gore-42%
1996 Clinton-43%
1992 Clinton-39%
1988 Dukakis-40%
1984 Mondale-35%
1976 Carter-47%
1972 McGovern-31%

H/t DUer aaaaaa5a
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=1791374

http://elections.nytimes.com/2008/results/president/national-exit-polls.html


What's changing is the makeup of the electorate, and that's burning up the racists.

GREAT CHART: The white establishment, undone by hordes of various-colored people who demand stuff.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021774077

Beckwatch: Glenn Is Buying Farmland
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021796191

Republicans Blame Sandy for Killing Romney's Momentum
http://www.theatlanticwire.com/politics/2012/11/republicans-blame-sandy-killing-romneys-momentum/58685/

Imagine, a bunch or racist white evangelicals blaming God for Mitt's loss.







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ProSense Nov 2012 OP
Champion Jack Nov 2012 #1
coldbeer Nov 2012 #13
Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2012 #30
Texin Nov 2012 #27
Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2012 #31
malaise Nov 2012 #2
northoftheborder Nov 2012 #3
2theleft Nov 2012 #4
ProSense Nov 2012 #10
ProudProgressiveNow Nov 2012 #18
chalky Nov 2012 #38
bemildred Nov 2012 #5
russspeakeasy Nov 2012 #6
BumRushDaShow Nov 2012 #7
ProSense Nov 2012 #11
DearAbby Nov 2012 #8
Tippy Nov 2012 #9
Horse with no Name Nov 2012 #12
Bainbridge Bear Nov 2012 #14
Dustlawyer Nov 2012 #15
DallasNE Nov 2012 #16
ProudProgressiveNow Nov 2012 #19
Turborama Nov 2012 #17
TahitiNut Nov 2012 #20
blackspade Nov 2012 #21
femrap Nov 2012 #32
blackspade Nov 2012 #37
dogknob Nov 2012 #22
Viva_La_Revolution Nov 2012 #34
savannah43 Nov 2012 #23
Shankapotomus Nov 2012 #24
dogknob Nov 2012 #25
zentrum Nov 2012 #26
MsPithy Nov 2012 #28
dogknob Nov 2012 #29
mick063 Nov 2012 #33
ProSense Nov 2012 #35
vlyons Nov 2012 #36

Response to ProSense (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 08:57 AM

1. Thanks for posting this

The most important part of this is:
"Take nothing for granted and leave nothing to chance. Be ready for 2014 because just like 2010 I assure you, they will be ready."

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Response to Champion Jack (Reply #1)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 10:36 AM

13. NO WAY! do you know who the next GOP president will be?

I donn't either. (He hasn't been born yet)

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Response to coldbeer (Reply #13)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 12:09 PM

30. 2014 is about the mid-term and shifting the House and Senate.

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Response to Champion Jack (Reply #1)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 11:34 AM

27. This is true... but even within the next two years

there will be new young people who will reach voting age, many of them hispanic, asian, women and blacks. And in that same two year period, there will be many white elderly individuals who will pass.

It's just a matter of time. Those Romney voters weren't supporting the candidate or a party in particular. They were voting against the sea changes swirling around them. But they are beating against a rising tide that will eventually engulf them entirely. But they will continue to fight that change because they know nothing else and will never be able to accept this. That's why the idea of building fence borders as high as mountains and restricting/prohibiting immigration in its entirety is so compelling to these folks. But the fact they can't get their heads around is this: it doesn't matter because the population of minorities is younger and most of those young persons haven't reached maturity and are not beginning to reproduce as yet. Their populations will continue to grow whether another immigrant ever crosses into the US again despite those efforts.

I believe the contingent within the republican party that cannot understand or abide these changes will fight them with their last breath. They've been doing the same thing since before the end of the Civil War. They will continue that fight and and all the ugly and violent actions that the desperate are wont to engage in when they feel threatened. And it is profoundly disturbing to imagine what lengths these desperate individuals would result to to prevent the inevitable.

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Response to Champion Jack (Reply #1)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 12:11 PM

31. Dems woke up in 2010 that mid-terms matter....

Obama needs to do an FDR type "give me a congress" speech.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 09:03 AM

2. Excellent post

Rec

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 09:22 AM

3. It makes me slightly nauseous to consider that you are so right.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 09:22 AM

4. This is totally what I get in conversations with my family Repubs...

Last edited Mon Nov 12, 2012, 10:20 AM - Edit history (1)

Those in my family like Obama somewhat, they think he is a good man, but they are terrified of the changing of America. They are terrified of no longer being the majority, and the white men are terrified of not being in control. I keep hearing "you are changing America (the collective "you" of the Dem party). I don't even think it is necessarily racism, but the fear that comes from losing control. They are used to being at the top, to getting the good jobs, to having every opportunity. And it's not like those in my family think others should NOT have those opportunities...I think that this is just the first time that the America they knew is going away/is already gone and they are mourning it. My hope for them, because for the most part they are good people, if that will get through their mourning and come out the other side understanding how easy they have had it and that it shouldn't be just that way for them, but for EVERYONE.

Now, that is not to say that a lot of the crazies are just crazy and it is about racism and it is about superiority and it is about their need to force their views/beliefs on absolutely everyone. I am just providing a snippet into what I am seeing within my own extended family.

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Response to 2theleft (Reply #4)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 10:09 AM

10. Good insights. Thanks. n/t

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Response to 2theleft (Reply #4)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 10:54 AM

18. +1 nt

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Response to 2theleft (Reply #4)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 07:50 PM

38. What kills me is that these are the same people who scoff at the notion of "White Privilege"

They say I'm playing the race card if I bring it up, and throw Oprah Winfrey and Tiger Woods out there (it's always Oprah and Tiger, not some non-white schmoe down the street) when faced with the "would you trade places?" philosophical question.

So the question I ask is this - if there's no such thing as "White Privilege", why are they so depressed? Why all the dramatic "buy a farm!" "git yer guns and ammo!" "we're doomed! DOOMED!" crapola? I suspect that in their mind, this election did make them trade place with that non-white schmoe. And they don't like it one bit.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 09:23 AM

5. Yep, it's the racism, stupid. The crazy old aunt in our attic, still up there. nt

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 09:25 AM

6. Thank you for the interesting post.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 09:32 AM

7. Truth to the power!

As a poster above said - "It's the racism, stupid".

The past 2 election cycles have heralded the beginning of the end of the system of white supremacy. It will definitely NOT go away lightly and will still time and effort and sacrifice to purge... And like reconstruction in the late 1800s with the election of black Senators and Congressman leading to the implementation of Jim Crow in the post-reconstruction aftermath, we will take some steps back. But at least we got this far.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #7)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 10:18 AM

11. Yup, progress. n/t

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 09:34 AM

8. Take America Back

whole new meaning. Thanks for the post. Explains their sense of urgency. They are scared shitless. watch your backs.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 09:35 AM

9. Racism in America..won't go away...

Will it come to another civil war? Possibly.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 10:23 AM

12. The rest is just smokescreen. Thanks! n/t

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 10:43 AM

14. This reminds me

 

of that person attending a rally, before Mittens was sent back to his big house with the car elevator, who was wearing a T-shirt that said "Put the White back into the White House". Poor baby, now he has to spend 4 more years with that uppity Negro in the Oval Office and he gets to watch his racist country continue to move to something more inclusive. That is just fine with me. Cultural diversity is much more interesting than the status quo of people like that. Just imagine that generations from now people will look back and hopefully say with incredulity - "People used to hate, and discriminate against, other people because of the color of their skin? Incredible." Let us hope so.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 10:50 AM

15. K&R! This white man truly believes in fairness and equality. Go Obama!

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 10:51 AM

16. Don't Overlook Separate But Equal

In Maricopa County, AZ, the election officials decided to try and speed up things by creating two lines for voters. One line for Hispanics to cast provisional ballots and the other line for everyone else. 172,000 ballots were cast in that manner in Maricopa County making Arizona about the only State where the Republican candidates ran stronger than what the polls were showing.

Election officials claimed that that was necessary because voters didn't come prepared. Oh, the voters came prepared -- they came prepared to vote but the election officials weren't perpared to let their vote be counted. Disenfranchisement is a major problem in this country and it centers on the color of your skin. The GOP has not given up on this issue. Not by a long shot.

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Response to DallasNE (Reply #16)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 10:55 AM

19. +1000 nt

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 10:51 AM

17. G2geek's alternative conversation with Bob was genius...

 what to do with "immigrant" comments: (144+ / 0-)
Invite them to agree by making it personal, like this:

Bob - Is it America voting for President, or immigrants? Are immigrants really American, or just trying to be American?

You - Of course we are!  My grandparents got off the boat from (country) and (country).  How about you?



Bob - Mine came from (country) and (country), but we've got a little bit of (something else) on my mother's side.

You - See, isn't it great?  And that's how we beat the Axis in WW2.  Their master race theory couldn't compete with a nation of mutts.  



Bob - Yeah, of course.  But we've slipped, our morals have slid, nobody wants to work any more...

You - I agree, and the way we tolerate lying and cheating in high places is disgusting.   But as for work, you like lettuce & tomato on your burgers, right?  

Bob - Yeah, and onions.  What's that got to do with anything?

You -  Think of picking that lettuce or those tomatoes all day in the hot sun.  Whew, talk about hard work!, I couldn't do it! , but those Mexicans come right up here and work their butts off.  That's something to think about every time you have a burger.

See how that works?  I could go on but this should be sufficient.  The key to it is looking for things that are personal and that you & "Bob" agree on, and then linking those to progressive points that will stick in his head later.

Talking about immigrants in the abstract, or making classic liberal points about the First Nations and slaves, doesn't go to the root of Bob's problem, which is insecurity based on fear.  But linking immigration to his own family and to hard work, helps overcome the fear by reference to common values such as family and hard work.  

Overcome the fear, and the rest will follow in its own good time.  

We got the future back.

by G2geek on Mon Nov 12, 2012 at 12:34:47 AM PST


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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 11:04 AM

20. The left has to learn how to count BY TWO, not just by fours!

Our attention should shift to 2014, NOT 2016!! It's fucking insane that "the people's house" is so right-wing!

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 11:05 AM

21. Racism and sexism and homophobia are all mixed up in the fear...

that conservatives have about the future.

I remember getting into a debate years ago with a homophobe about marriage equality.
We went round and round about it until I simply asked why he was so afraid of homosexuals.
That led to one of those responses where you realize that you hit paydirt.

It all boils down to fear.
In the case of this election, the fear is of the unknown.
How white folks adjust to the reality of modern American demographics will determine how well they do in the future.

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Response to blackspade (Reply #21)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 12:11 PM

32. And that fear is

 

specifically: Losing power over anyone that is NOT white male. And that includes white women. When the original poster talks of 'white people,' don't include white women. They have been cleaning up after these white dudes forever. I do NOT want to be included with the oppression these white dudes have inflicted on others.

I believe the Fear is much more intense in the South (Bible Belt). Reviewing the vote tallies, it looks like Obama lost by roughly 65 to 35% in most Southern states. In some ways I wish the South was its own country. They might be happier and I wouldn't have to put up with all those Southern Senators and Congresspeople.

Racism is part of the fear, but also fear of losing power over women. The Bible (and all organized religions) gives all power to the white male so these Bible Thumpers hold on to that with a death grip...The Bible gives them their VISION OF AMERICA. I don't think that can be stressed enough.

Patriarchy has been the rule since time began for humans. But women are starting to poke holes in that way of life. Women want their freedom. And if we can't have control over our own bodies, we're NOT free.

In the OH legislature, the white Patriarchy is back at it and reintroducing the meanest and most cruel anti-abortion bill in the nation. Open session starts Wednesdy. Also legislation to defund Planned Parenthood....which in the way I see things is "Pre-meditated murder on any woman who dies of breast, ovarian, cervical cancers." was introduced as well.

The white dudes are backed into the corner and this is when they are the most dangerous and most cruel.

P.S. The Secret Service better stay alert.

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Response to femrap (Reply #32)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 02:36 PM

37. No arguement from me to anything that you stated.

As Frank Herbert put in his book 'Dune,' "Fear is the mind killer."

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 11:21 AM

22. Thanks. This pretty much sums up my Facebook experience in this election cycle.

Excellent. Thank you.

I am a (nearly) 43-year-old white male living in a district of California (Issa) where Republicans outnumber Democrats by more than 2-1. Being car-free, nearly all of my campaigning in this election cycle occurred online. I did it relentlessly, mostly outside the comfort zone of DU. I hit Facebook almost daily. I wrote politically-slanted fan-fiction on a gaming site. I posted original music containing not-so-sneaky themes of power-abuse and suburban angst on Soundcloud. I basically dropped everything I could have been doing to help myself so I could wade into a chilly pool of apathy and goose everyone I could find.

Down-ticket was a huge priority for me when it became clear that Romney would be the nominee; that guy was bound to trip over his dick from the get-go, but inevitably most of the discussion ended up being about President Obama -- and it was always just a matter of waiting for someone arguing to get to what I knew was eventually coming:

Playing the "playing the race card" card.

Many people don't even realize how racist the phrase "playing the race card" is. Almost everyone picked it up from the OJ trial and it has served as a handy conversation-ender ever since. Folks who drop this line are almost always in denial; the MSM told them that the election of President Obama was "the end" of racism in America. Lots of white people are tolerant as heck until some brown people move in down the street, then they start worrying about their property value.

The trick is to hammer away at that myth while keeping one's cool and not hipping people to the fact that you are schooling them about their own lurking racism. Do not insult. Do not rant. Show don't tell. People have been conditioned to hate learning and resent those they identify as teachers. That's pretty damn sad, but I played along and changed the subtitle under my name to read "self-appointed know-it-all political asshole."

By the week of the election I had lost count of the number of Facebook posts that started with something like "I never get political on FB, but..." with "Thanks for posting this. Stuff like this is why I didn't block you from my news feed 6 months ago" running a close second.

I could go on forever about how we DUers need to cultivate an outreach strategy if we want to hold onto what we gained on Tuesday, but someone with 50,000 posts should probably tackle that. My stuff tends to drop like a rock around here.

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Response to dogknob (Reply #22)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 12:48 PM

34. great post!

You should expand this and post it as an OP. Now that the election is over, the board is slowing down a bit and the good bits of wisdom are less likely to be lost in the maelstrom.


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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 11:23 AM

23. Imagine how Native Americans feel about white men having stolen their country.

Poor, poor Bob. It took a long time, but some white men got what they gave. And deserved.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 11:25 AM

24. Yes, this election was about right wing white culture

thinking it has a monopoly on truth and they are supposed to always be the wise man on the mountain to which all unenlightened minorities (and that means ALL minorities) must heed their warnings or be forever lost.

They are the teachers and everyone else is the student.

This election challenged their status as teacher of everyone else and they are throwing fits over it.

They have to sit in the chair now and be taught and that infuriates them. And so their predictions of doom and destruction for not heeding them will only rise and rise.



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Response to Shankapotomus (Reply #24)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 11:27 AM

25. Well said. n/t

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 11:31 AM

26. Many have recognized

...this for years. Since Nixon--it's called the "Southern Strategy".

We have to beat back the Confederacy continuously. I wish to God we could find a way for them to secede and leave them to themselves, because they are poisoning the well endlessly for everyone--in America, and in the whole world, when you consider how they prevent progress on climate change.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 11:46 AM

28. Thank you. Very interesting.

But, I do not think we can underestimate the intense desire that Bob and his ilk have to control women's sexuality.

Misogyny is as old as human culture and fortified by organized religion. If, by magic, racism would disappear, Bob would still be calling women sluts.

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Response to MsPithy (Reply #28)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 11:50 AM

29. Oh hell yes.

People get all squirmy whenever I remind them that they have made most of their decisions based on an inborn belief system that blames women for getting us kicked out of Paradise.

WhoooBoy does the ear-steam spout!

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 12:37 PM

33. Had dinner with my conservative Brother in Law yesterday.

 

He was very despondent. It is like the end of the world for him. When Fox told their viewers that this was the most important election of their lifetime, they really believed it.

All he has is Fox talking points. He literally knows nothing, with respect to news, outside the bubble. I can run circles around his arguments because I know them and can categorically counter every one of them.

Finally, after debunking many of his Fox myths, the conversation boiled down to the crux of his despair. Gays, blacks, "Mexicans", and pot. His vision of the "Leave it to Beaver" utopia was crushed on election night. This isn't about anger for him. This is about fear. He is afraid of the future.

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Response to mick063 (Reply #33)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 01:51 PM

35. It's hard to imagine

why Fox isn't labeled commentary and entertainment. It has almost single-handedly turned a huge segment of Americans into ignorant fools.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 02:23 PM

36. There's really only one race

I'm a boomer baby, who grew up in Dallas. My Dad was a cop, who changed the channel any time a black person came on. I can distinctly remember his cop buddies laughing about how they beat up a "nigger wire head" one night. I went to segregated schools K-12, and the Univ of TX (of which I am an alumna) had 20K students, but only 600 were AA and 300 Mex-Amer. In 1963 when I was 16, my Dad and Mom gave me hell and threatened to put me in juvenile hall for participating in a protest to desegregate the lunch counter at the downtown Woolworth's in Dallas.

It wasn't until I moved to San Francisco in 1972 that I had my eyes opened to multi-culturalism. While I wasn't surrounded by blacks (who were mostly in the East Bay, I was surrounded by Asians and Hispanics, Russians, French, Samoans, Filipinos, Aleuts, Arabs, Persians, Tibetans, Japanese, Vietnamese, Hindis, and many many people of mixed race. All the schools were integrated, and the kids had close friends BFs, GFs of every imaginable mixed background. I remember a friend from South Africa, who was shocked to see people that were part japanese and part AA.

The truth that there is really only one race, the human race. We are all, despite color, country of origen, or language, 100% plug compatible. If you look at the US electoral map, you'll see that the blue states, the west coast, NE coast, and NM/Nev & FL corridors are where we have experienced a great influx of people from other nationalities. It is the deep south that has such a fear of "race mixing."

100 yrs from now, all that race BS will be well on the way out because there will just be so many people all over every part of the country with multi-ethnic backgrounds. It will be very common to see different skin colors, hair textures, and physiques within the same family. Then Dr King's dream of being judged by your character and not your skin color will bear fruit. So stand firm in fighting racism where ever it rears its hateful ugly head.



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