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Sun Nov 11, 2012, 11:04 AM

Letís review Petraeusí recent record

Letís review Petraeusí recent record: the surge in Iraq, which failed in most of its stated goals; the surge in Afghanistan, which also looks to have failed; and turning the CIA into a paramilitary organization which has assassinated American citizens (even a child) with no due process.

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Reply Letís review Petraeusí recent record (Original post)
Ichingcarpenter Nov 2012 OP
coalition_unwilling Nov 2012 #1
Iggy Nov 2012 #2
byeya Nov 2012 #3
Iggy Nov 2012 #4
Ichingcarpenter Nov 2012 #5

Response to Ichingcarpenter (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 11:07 AM

1. Appointments like Petraeus and Gates make it very difficult to

 

argue against the 'Both sides are the same' argument of Nader, the Greens and many in Occupy.

My wife says, "It's like both sides are playing for the same team."

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Response to Ichingcarpenter (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 11:08 AM

2. Let's Face it

 

it's wayyyy to early to pronounce our meddling in Iraq as a "big success".

IMHO, there's little doubt Iraq will end up with another dicktator/strong man like Hussein.. probably worse than Hussein

FAIL.

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Response to Iggy (Reply #2)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 11:21 AM

3. I think it's accurate to say Iran has more influence in Iraq than ever before and the Kurds

 

have their own de facto country in the northern areas of Iraq.

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Response to byeya (Reply #3)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 11:59 AM

4. Agreed, But I'm Not Clear

 

as to why this is a BIG problem for the U.S.? does not the U.S. influence/meddle in many nations around the globe? why is OK for us to do this-- but not Iran?

Look, if the powers that be here are serious about making things better in the ME region, then obv it's time for a different strategy. what we've been doing for fifty years ain't workin.

and I don't agree with the tit-for-tat killing approach used by Israel regarding their extremist/terrorist problem; that's a FAIL as well.

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Response to Ichingcarpenter (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 03:05 PM

5. Court Marshal offense: Article 134ó Adultery in the military ...

Elements.

(1) That the accused wrongfully had sexual intercourse with a certain person;

(2) That, at the time, the accused or the other person was married to someone else; and

(3) That, under the circumstances, the conduct of the accused was to the prejudice of good order and discipline in the armed forces or was of a nature to bring discredit upon the armed forces.

Explanation.

(1) Nature of offense. Adultery is clearly unacceptable conduct, and it reflects adversely on the service record of the military member.

(2) Conduct prejudicial to good order and discipline or of a nature to bring discredit upon the armed forces. To constitute an offense under the UCMJ, the adulterous conduct must either be directly prejudicial to good order and discipline or service discrediting. Adulterous conduct that is directly prejudicial includes conduct that has an obvious, and measurably divisive effect on unit or organization discipline, morale, or cohesion, or is clearly detrimental to the authority or stature of or respect toward a servicemember. Adultery may also be service discrediting, even though the conduct is only indirectly or remotely prejudicial to good order and discipline. Discredit means to injure the reputation of the armed forces and includes adulterous conduct that has a tendency, because of its open or notorious nature, to bring the service into disrepute, make it subject to public ridicule, or lower it in public esteem. While adulterous conduct that is private and discreet in nature may not be service discrediting by this standard, under the circumstances, it may be determined to be conduct prejudicial to good order and discipline. Commanders should consider all relevant circumstances, including but not limited to the following factors, when determining whether adulterous acts are prejudicial to good order and discipline or are of a nature to bring discredit upon the armed forces:

(a) The accused's marital status, military rank, grade, or position;

(b) The co-actor's marital status, military rank, grade, and position, or relationship to the armed forces;

(c) The military status of the accused's spouse or the spouse of co-actor, or their relationship to the armed forces;

(d) The impact, if any, of the adulterous relationship on the ability of the accused, the co-actor, or the spouse of either to perform their duties in support of the armed forces;



http://usmilitary.about.com/od/punitivearticles/a/mcm1342.htm




He was porking her in his general's uniform in Afghanistan.






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