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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsHey ladies, here's Chuck Todd to mansplain
that whole Gen. Patraeus thingy to us. Try not to get too emotional.
Chuck ToddVerified?@chucktodd
Patraeus is only adding fuel to the fire about what many women believe: that all men will cheat
https://twitter.com/chucktodd/status/267000277998112769
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)I don't care about the Petraus thing. Don't know what is going on either. It doesn't matter. I would wager most women are in the same frame of mind, don't know don't care. Why cause they have a couple of kids a crappy job and a lot of housework to do. Or they are students struggling to get good grades and maybe have a kid or two and a crappy job. Or they have kids and a parent to take care of. Or they are just exhausted holding down a couple of jobs to make ends meet. Another words they are too freaking busy to pay attention to this.
Many women are correct about many men. Don't like it? Work on that "Family Values" thing you're always blathering about. I'll wait here with my popcorn while you do.
Enrique
(27,461 posts)because Gen. Petraeus cheats, all men cheat? The pundits need to realize that most people's lives don't revolve around Gen. Petraeus like they do for the pundits.
All men don't cheat, nor do all women cheat.
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)really able to look at this situation the same way men will. Men will wonder about the political implications ,women will wonder "could this be my man'?
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)ya. now i get what you are saying. thanks for the clarification.
HappyMe
(20,277 posts)Todd is 'concerned' about. Nothing he says has any bearing on my life.
madinmaryland
(64,932 posts)men cheat.
Douchebag!
HipChick
(25,485 posts)madinmaryland
(64,932 posts)Whisp
(24,096 posts)pathetic creatures. I've known a few in my life and they are all teabagger qualified in some way
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)what patraeus does anyway???
anyway...
chuckie, i know better. both cheat about the same. women a little less. but i am sure they will catch up. and it is a low percentage of both genders that does cheat.
the cheat wants us to believe ALL people do it. not true.
unc70
(6,113 posts)The percentage of women who have chested is slightly lower than for men, and as you say that gap is closing. But the percentages that have ever cheated on a spouse or a "committed" partner are quite high. Hard to get reliable numbers on any if this, but best research puts it at or over 60% for women and men.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Among the most reliable studies on this issue is the General Social Survey, sponsored by the National Science Foundation, which has been asking Americans the same questions since 1972. In the 2010 survey, 19% of men said that they had been unfaithful at some point during their marriages, down from 21% in 1991. Women who reported having an affair increased from 11% in 1991 to 14% in 2010.
A 2011 study conducted by Indiana University, the Kinsey Institute and the University of Guelph found much less of a divide: 23% for men and 19% for women. Such numbers suggest the disappearance of the infidelity gender gap, but some caution is in order.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390443684104578062754288906608.html
Wilcox reviewed data from the General Social Survey, a large social science survey of trends between the 1990s through 2000 and from 2000 to 2008. He found that 21% of men and 14% of women who had ever been married (including those who have been divorced) said they had sex at least once with someone other than the spouse while married. Of those currently married, 16% of men and 10% of women responded affirmatively.
Additional calculations of that survey data by Wilcox show less tolerance toward infidelity now than in the past. In the decade of the 1970s, 63% of men and 73% of women said marital infidelity is "always wrong." In the current decade, 78% of men and 84% of women believe that marital infidelity is "always wrong."
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/life/people/2009-12-03-tiger-woods-cheating_N.htm
In the United States, the odds a man who has ever been married or is living with someone has cheated during the relationship are 1 in 4.76 (21%). For perspective, these are the same as the odds that an adult in the United States never uses swear words in conversation (1 in 4.76). For women, the odds are 1 in 9.09 (11%), the same as the odds that a woman in the United States owns a firearm. Before drawing a solid line between the cheaters and the non-cheaters, its interesting to note the gray area. Even a large number of people who arent cheating are thinking about it. The odds are 1 in 3.33 that an adult in the United States who has not cheated during a relationship fantasizes about cheating.
http://www.bookofodds.com/Relationships-Society/Love-Dating/Articles/A0172-The-State-of-Affairs-How-Many-People-Cheat
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)marriages can withstand that. But go on with your theories, Chuckster.
itsrobert
(14,157 posts)and Mika?
myrna minx
(22,772 posts)HipChick
(25,485 posts)MadrasT
(7,237 posts)The continual "othering" is getting tedious.
And fuck Chuck Todd and his "concern".
redqueen
(115,103 posts)VAGINA VAGINA VAGINA VAGINA VAGINA!
I'm so goddamn sick of people apparently not knowing the difference between a vagina and a uterus because it is the UTERUS the GOP is overly concerned with while the peanut gallery just can't shut the fuck up about VAGINAS!
retread
(3,762 posts)"A female Democratic state representative in Michigan said Thursday that she has been silenced by her Republican colleagues after she uttered the word vagina while criticizing a slate of bills that would restrict female reproductive rights.
Michigan State Rep. Lisa Brown (D) made her comments during a Wednesday debate on proposed legislation that critics say could effectively ban abortions in the state. I have not asked you to adopt and adhere to my religious beliefs, she said. Why are you asking me to adopt yours? And finally, Mr. Speaker, Im flattered that youre all so interested in my vagina, but no means no.
House Republican leadership later confirmed to Michigan Radio that they felt her comment violated decorum, and that she would not be called upon in future debates.
A second female Democrat, State Rep. Barb Byrum (D), said that she too has been banned from speaking in recognized debate following an outburst over the same slate of legislation."
Spike89
(1,569 posts)I simply don't know (or really care) anything about the marriage, the details of the affair, or anything germane to this incident.
Beside that point, the statistics are really pretty much nonsense and any decent social statistician would let you know that comparing percentages across gender lines isn't close to valid. These are self-reported percentages. There is and has been a double standard between men and women on this subject. Yeah, men aren't "supposed" to cheat but they generally get forgiven (at least by society if not by their spouse). Women get judged more harshly, especially if they have children. It seems to kindle the whole paternity issue, even when the affair is in no way related.
So, ask the question and men are going to lie, but maybe not as much as women (maybe more, who knows?). The surveys are at best able to say "at least 20% of men admit cheating" the real percentage is unknowable. Women report a lower level of cheating, but that does not mean they cheat less (maybe they do, but again, it is unknowable).
I haven't, for what it is worth, but that doesn't mean 100% of men do not. Other anecdotal evidence will not change the reality that infidelity happens, but we don't know how much.