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Fri Nov 9, 2012, 04:09 PM

Hey ladies, here's Chuck Todd to mansplain

that whole Gen. Patraeus thingy to us. Try not to get too emotional.


Chuck ToddVerified‏@chucktodd

Patraeus is only adding fuel to the fire about what many women believe: that all men will cheat

https://twitter.com/chucktodd/status/267000277998112769

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Reply Hey ladies, here's Chuck Todd to mansplain (Original post)
sufrommich Nov 2012 OP
Kalidurga Nov 2012 #1
redqueen Nov 2012 #19
Hydra Nov 2012 #2
Enrique Nov 2012 #3
HappyMe Nov 2012 #5
sufrommich Nov 2012 #6
seabeyond Nov 2012 #7
HappyMe Nov 2012 #8
madinmaryland Nov 2012 #11
HipChick Nov 2012 #13
madinmaryland Nov 2012 #20
Whisp Nov 2012 #15
seabeyond Nov 2012 #4
unc70 Nov 2012 #12
seabeyond Nov 2012 #17
TwilightGardener Nov 2012 #9
itsrobert Nov 2012 #10
myrna minx Nov 2012 #14
HipChick Nov 2012 #21
MadrasT Nov 2012 #16
redqueen Nov 2012 #18
retread Nov 2012 #23
Spike89 Nov 2012 #22

Response to sufrommich (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 04:14 PM

1. Todd can shut his yap now...

I don't care about the Petraus thing. Don't know what is going on either. It doesn't matter. I would wager most women are in the same frame of mind, don't know don't care. Why cause they have a couple of kids a crappy job and a lot of housework to do. Or they are students struggling to get good grades and maybe have a kid or two and a crappy job. Or they have kids and a parent to take care of. Or they are just exhausted holding down a couple of jobs to make ends meet. Another words they are too freaking busy to pay attention to this.

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Response to Kalidurga (Reply #1)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 05:36 PM

19. This!

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Response to sufrommich (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 04:14 PM

2. lmao

Many women are correct about many men. Don't like it? Work on that "Family Values" thing you're always blathering about. I'll wait here with my popcorn while you do.

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Response to sufrommich (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 04:14 PM

3. wtf

because Gen. Petraeus cheats, all men cheat? The pundits need to realize that most people's lives don't revolve around Gen. Petraeus like they do for the pundits.

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Response to Enrique (Reply #3)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 04:17 PM

5. I agree.

All men don't cheat, nor do all women cheat.

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Response to Enrique (Reply #3)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 04:21 PM

6. Todd is "concerned" that women aren't

really able to look at this situation the same way men will. Men will wonder about the political implications ,women will wonder "could this be my man'?

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Response to sufrommich (Reply #6)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 04:25 PM

7. ah hahaha. without knowing shit about what you are talking about, lmao...

ya. now i get what you are saying. thanks for the clarification.

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Response to sufrommich (Reply #6)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 04:27 PM

8. I don't give a crap what

Todd is 'concerned' about. Nothing he says has any bearing on my life.

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Response to Enrique (Reply #3)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 04:49 PM

11. It sounds like Chuck Todd has been cheating, and in Chucks little mind, if he is cheating, then all

men cheat.

Douchebag!

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Response to madinmaryland (Reply #11)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 05:02 PM

13. I threw up in my mouth a little

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Response to HipChick (Reply #13)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 06:13 PM

20. To help you with that thought, it was with Ann Coulter.





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Response to Enrique (Reply #3)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 05:09 PM

15. there are more crazy people than Toad that think and say that...

pathetic creatures. I've known a few in my life and they are all teabagger qualified in some way

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Response to sufrommich (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 04:16 PM

4. i dont know what this is about. maybe i need to find a thread explaining it to me. why do we care

what patraeus does anyway???

anyway...

chuckie, i know better. both cheat about the same. women a little less. but i am sure they will catch up. and it is a low percentage of both genders that does cheat.

the cheat wants us to believe ALL people do it. not true.

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #4)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 05:01 PM

12. Mostly agree, except about percentages

The percentage of women who have chested is slightly lower than for men, and as you say that gap is closing. But the percentages that have ever cheated on a spouse or a "committed" partner are quite high. Hard to get reliable numbers on any if this, but best research puts it at or over 60% for women and men.

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Response to unc70 (Reply #12)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 05:26 PM

17. studies i read a while ago had men at 21%, women a little high than 16%. i dont agree that is high.

Among the most reliable studies on this issue is the General Social Survey, sponsored by the National Science Foundation, which has been asking Americans the same questions since 1972. In the 2010 survey, 19% of men said that they had been unfaithful at some point during their marriages, down from 21% in 1991. Women who reported having an affair increased from 11% in 1991 to 14% in 2010.

A 2011 study conducted by Indiana University, the Kinsey Institute and the University of Guelph found much less of a divide: 23% for men and 19% for women. Such numbers suggest the disappearance of the infidelity gender gap, but some caution is in order.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390443684104578062754288906608.html


Wilcox reviewed data from the General Social Survey, a large social science survey of trends between the 1990s through 2000 and from 2000 to 2008. He found that 21% of men and 14% of women who had ever been married (including those who have been divorced) said they had sex at least once with someone other than the spouse while married. Of those currently married, 16% of men and 10% of women responded affirmatively.

Additional calculations of that survey data by Wilcox show less tolerance toward infidelity now than in the past. In the decade of the 1970s, 63% of men and 73% of women said marital infidelity is "always wrong." In the current decade, 78% of men and 84% of women believe that marital infidelity is "always wrong."

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/life/people/2009-12-03-tiger-woods-cheating_N.htm


In the United States, the odds a man who has ever been married or is living with someone has cheated during the relationship are 1 in 4.76 (21%). For perspective, these are the same as the odds that an adult in the United States never uses swear words in conversation (1 in 4.76). For women, the odds are 1 in 9.09 (11%), the same as the odds that a woman in the United States owns a firearm. Before drawing a solid line between the cheaters and the non-cheaters, it’s interesting to note the gray area. Even a large number of people who aren’t cheating are thinking about it. The odds are 1 in 3.33 that an adult in the United States who has not cheated during a relationship fantasizes about cheating.

http://www.bookofodds.com/Relationships-Society/Love-Dating/Articles/A0172-The-State-of-Affairs-How-Many-People-Cheat

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Response to sufrommich (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 04:34 PM

9. Petraeus was never home, for many, many years. Very few

marriages can withstand that. But go on with your theories, Chuckster.

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Response to sufrommich (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 04:37 PM

10. ask Morning Joe

and Mika?

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Response to sufrommich (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 05:06 PM

14. Chuck Todd is so ishy. How on earth would Chuck Todd know what "many women" believe?

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Response to myrna minx (Reply #14)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 06:14 PM

21. Chuck is republican...and thinks woman can't think for themselves

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Response to sufrommich (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 05:15 PM

16. I am so freaking sick of people talking about "women" this and "women" that.

The continual "othering" is getting tedious.

And fuck Chuck Todd and his "concern".

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Response to MadrasT (Reply #16)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 05:34 PM

18. Butbutbut... VAGINA!

VAGINA VAGINA VAGINA VAGINA VAGINA!

I'm so goddamn sick of people apparently not knowing the difference between a vagina and a uterus because it is the UTERUS the GOP is overly concerned with while the peanut gallery just can't shut the fuck up about VAGINAS!



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Response to redqueen (Reply #18)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 06:46 PM

23. I think you may be giving the GOP more credit than due.

"A female Democratic state representative in Michigan said Thursday that she has been silenced by her Republican colleagues after she uttered the word “vagina” while criticizing a slate of bills that would restrict female reproductive rights.

Michigan State Rep. Lisa Brown (D) made her comments during a Wednesday debate on proposed legislation that critics say could effectively ban abortions in the state. ”I have not asked you to adopt and adhere to my religious beliefs,” she said. “Why are you asking me to adopt yours? And finally, Mr. Speaker, I’m flattered that you’re all so interested in my vagina, but no means no.

House Republican leadership later confirmed to Michigan Radio that they felt her comment violated decorum, and that she would not be called upon in future debates.

A second female Democrat, State Rep. Barb Byrum (D), said that she too has been banned from speaking in recognized debate following an “outburst” over the same slate of legislation."

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Response to sufrommich (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 06:20 PM

22. Cheating isn't my business

I simply don't know (or really care) anything about the marriage, the details of the affair, or anything germane to this incident.

Beside that point, the statistics are really pretty much nonsense and any decent social statistician would let you know that comparing percentages across gender lines isn't close to valid. These are self-reported percentages. There is and has been a double standard between men and women on this subject. Yeah, men aren't "supposed" to cheat but they generally get forgiven (at least by society if not by their spouse). Women get judged more harshly, especially if they have children. It seems to kindle the whole paternity issue, even when the affair is in no way related.

So, ask the question and men are going to lie, but maybe not as much as women (maybe more, who knows?). The surveys are at best able to say "at least 20% of men admit cheating" the real percentage is unknowable. Women report a lower level of cheating, but that does not mean they cheat less (maybe they do, but again, it is unknowable).

I haven't, for what it is worth, but that doesn't mean 100% of men do not. Other anecdotal evidence will not change the reality that infidelity happens, but we don't know how much.

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