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Fri Nov 9, 2012, 04:07 PM

Is David Petraeus Dirty? Ted Westhusing Said So, and Then He Shot Himself.

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Col. Westhusing was in charge of training the new Iraqi army and overseeing civilian contractors.
He is remembered as a good man, a brilliant man who followed the Cadet Code:
"I will not lie, cheat, or steal, or tolerate those who do.”



Col. Westhusing was the Army's chief ethicist and someone who suspected something was wrong with David Petraeus, way back when. Then, just when he was about to come home to his loving wife and family, he became a suicide.



Is David Petraeus Dirty? Ted Westheusing Said So, and Then He Shot Himself

By Melina Hussein Ripcoco, Brilliant at Breakfast
Alternet.org
April 8, 2008

Ted Westhusing, was a champion basketball player at Jenks High School in Tulsa Oklahoma. A driven kid with a strong work ethic, he would show up at the gym at 7AM to throw 100 practice shots before school. He was driven academically too, becoming a National Merritt Scholarship finalist. His career through West Point and straight into overseas service was sterling, and by 2000 he had enrolled in Emory University to earn his doctorate in Philosophy. His dissertation was on honor and the ethics of war, with the opening containing the following passage: "Born to be a warrior, I desire these answers not just for philosophical reasons, but for self-knowledge." Would that all military commanders took such an interest in the study of ethics and morality and what our conduct in times of war says about our development as human beings. Would that any educational system in this country taught ethics, decision making, or even political science that's not part of an advanced degree anymore.

Ted Westhusing, the soldier, philosopher and ethicist, was given a guaranteed lifetime teaching position and West Point by the time he had finished with his service and his education. he felt like he could do more for his country by trying to shape the minds coming out of the academy that were the ones that would be military commanders. He had settled into that life with his wife and kids, when in 2004 he volunteered for active duty in Iraq, feeling like the experience would help his teaching. He had missed combat in his active duty and it seemed like an important piece for someone who not only philosophized about war, but who was also preparing the military's future leaders.

But more than that, he was sure that the Iraq mission was a just one; he supported the cause and he bought the information that was put in front of him. Considering that vials of powder were being tossed around hearings by the highest level of military commanders how could he not? This was a man who was so steeped in the patriotism of idealistic military fervor that he barely could fit in regular society. His whole being was dedicated to this path, and he was proud to serve his country.

Once in Iraq, he found himself straddling the fence between a questioning philosopher and an unquestioning soldier. Westhusing had thought he was freeing a country in bondage, keeping America safe from a horrible threat, and spreading democracy to a grateful people. But the reality of what was happening in this out of control war was too much for him. His mission was to oversee one of the most important tasks left from the war; retraining the Iraqi military by overseeing the private contractors that had been put in charge of it.

As the assignment went on he found that everywhere he looked he was seeing corrupt contractors doing shoddy work, abusing people, and stealing from the government. These contractors were being paid to do many of the jobs that would normally be done by a regulated military, and they bore out the worst fears of those who don't believe in outsourcing such vital work. He responded to the corruption that he saw by reporting the problems up the line, but the response from his commanding officers was disappointing. He had, for much of his career, idolized military commanders, and in that assignment he found himself with some of the military's most famous faces, doing the most important job, but he was terribly disappointed and alarmed to realize that they were greedy and corrupt themselves.

CONTINUED...

http://www.alternet.org/story/81678/is_david_petraeus_dirty_ted_westhusing_said_so,_and_then_he_shot_himself

COMPLETE ORIGINAL ARTICLE: http://www.ripcoco.com/2008/04/is-david-petraeus-dirty-ted-westheusing.html





Gee. What kind of person would make money off war?

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Response to Octafish (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 04:11 PM

1. bookmarking for later. Your posts are usually deep. nt

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Response to silvershadow (Reply #1)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 04:24 PM

5. Please remember the name: WESTHUSING

Lt Col Ted Westhusing was a good soldier and a hero. I believe he was murdered for standing up to the corruption in Iraq.

Was a Colonel's Death in Iraq Something More Sinister Than Suicide?

http://www.alternet.org/story/77313/was_a_colonel's_death_in_iraq_something_more_sinister_than_suicide

PS: Thank you for the kind words, silvershadow! I'm getting on in years and appreciate those who give a darn about where we're heading.

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Response to Octafish (Reply #5)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 04:40 PM

13. I was just thinking about him today while writing about Bradley Manning. And I was also

thinking of Pat Tillman and Kevin Benderman and many others who began to see the corruption and the lies and how it is those who tell the truth who seem to suffer rather than being rewarded, while those who lie and cheat and violate all of our laws, torture etc. seem to thrive. What does this say about this country?

We SAY we respect those who are honorable, who take their oaths seriously, but not one person who has done that, including the one who revealed the torture at Abu Ghraib, has ever been honored by this country.

They have gone to jail, or committed 'suicide' or have died under strange circumstances as Tillman did.

Thank you for remembering the real heroes. It really is up to the people.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #13)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 11:04 AM

54. When all are not equal under law, it is not the United States of America.

When the rich and powerful are allowed to make war on innocent nation; to kill innocent men, women and children for no reason other than to extract petroleum and whatever other mineral wealth they happen to live over; to spy on fellow citizens and collect their conversations, communications and personal papers with impunity; to torture men, women and children to make a "case" for war; to use their positions to redistribute wealth from the common purpose into the pockets of their connected cronies; when a president states to the press corps that "Money trumps peace," no, this is not the USA any more. It's something else. IMO, it's been that way since November 22, 1963.

Remember the people's representative in San Diego, the US Attorney who investigated corruption in military contracting? She ended up getting canned via Rove's list (no problemo, per Gonzales and Holder). Info from the great DUer hootinholler:

Carol Lam had a few irons in the fire before she was fired

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=371623

It really is up to the people, Sabrina. Thank you for standing up, now, over all the years, and always.

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Response to Octafish (Reply #54)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 12:22 PM

57. And Bunnatine "Bunny" Greenhouse. Whistleblower extraordinaire.

 

I'm wondering about the general's possible involvement in the "double tap" drone strikes being investigated by the UN.

Definitely a war crime. There may be evidence that he was behind them. Most folks tend to look at this stuff differently than I do. War is, in fact, legal. Any substantial breach in the Geneva Conventions can be illegal under US law as violation of the War Crimes Act.

I believe, like in so many other instances, that if war crimes are exposed at high levels they will go unpunished. Of course, if a high ranking person were somehow convicted of a war crime in a US court, I have absolutely no doubt in my mind that this Roberts court would overturn the lower court on appeal.

We must change the makeup of the SCOTUS before it makes any sense, politically, to pursue these criminals. If the SCOTUS were to overturn a conviction, which they would, then we would be worse off than we are now with these criminals living free among us. In that case, their behavior would become legal.

The most intelligent way foreward is to begin impeachment of Scalia for spending the night with a defendant in a case that was before him, then refusing to recuse himself from ruling in the case. That was illegal under US law, and he wrote a 23-page memo explaining why the laws don't apply to him.

This is where the fight for hearts and minds should be taken.

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Response to reusrename (Reply #57)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 04:42 PM

73. ''Bug Splat'' is reportedly a term used to describe the human victims of drone warfare.

We are living in gangster times, reusrename. Since when do good people need to "assassinate" anyone?



Obama moves to make the War on Terror permanent

Complete with a newly coined, creepy Orwellian euphemism – 'disposition matrix' – the administration institutionalizes the most extremist powers a government can claim

Glenn Greenwald
The Guardian 24 Oct 2013

A primary reason for opposing the acquisition of abusive powers and civil liberties erosions is that they virtually always become permanent, vested not only in current leaders one may love and trust but also future officials who seem more menacing and less benign.

The Washington Post has a crucial and disturbing story this morning by Greg Miller about the concerted efforts by the Obama administration to fully institutionalize – to make officially permanent – the most extremist powers it has exercised in the name of the war on terror.

SNIP...

UPDATE III

At Wired, Spencer Ackerman reacts to the Post article with an analysis entitled "President Romney Can Thank Obama for His Permanent Robotic Death List". Here is his concluding paragraph:

"Obama did not run for president to preside over the codification of a global war fought in secret. But that's his legacy. . . . Micah Zenko at the Council on Foreign Relations writes that Obama's predecessors in the Bush administration 'were actually much more conscious and thoughtful about the long-term implications of targeted killings', because they feared the political consequences that might come when the U.S. embraces something at least superficially similar to assassination. Whoever follows Obama in the Oval Office can thank him for proving those consequences don't meaningfully exist — as he or she reviews the backlog of names on the Disposition Matrix."

It's worth devoting a moment to letting that sink in.

CONTINUED...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/oct/24/obama-terrorism-kill-list?newsfeed=true



Because warmongers and traitors call the shots, what's sinking is democracy.

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Response to Octafish (Reply #5)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 06:27 PM

32. Another suicided victim?

Sure sounds like it. Thanks for posting, Octafish.

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Response to ailsagirl (Reply #32)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 07:25 PM

40. Oh he killed himself on his mother's birthday doncha know, the person he was closest to

according to Westhusing's wife!


Yup, sounds like he was suicided to me (and most others) as well.... There's no way he would have killed himself on his mother's birthday. Just no way.

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Response to riderinthestorm (Reply #40)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 08:43 PM

45. People who don't believe in "conspiracy theories" should take note

It sounds like something you'd see at the movies, but it does happen. I learned that when I started researching President Kennedy's assassination. What a mind-blower.

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Response to ailsagirl (Reply #45)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 06:45 PM

75. Poppy Bush brought up JFK Assassination and ''Conspiracy Theorists'' at Ford Funeral

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x3029417

When so many find the Truth to be unbelievable shows what kind of remarkably times these are.

How many understood his telling laugh?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021010833#post24

Thank you for standing up to what they represent, ailsagirl.



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Response to Octafish (Reply #75)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 07:19 PM

76. Thank you, Octafish. I think it's crucial to get this information out.

And I don't give a damn if people think I'm a "conspiracy theorist"-- anyone with an ounce of brains and an open mind would have to recognize all the slime that has gone on (and obviously continues).

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Response to Octafish (Reply #5)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 04:29 PM

66. + Pat Tilman & Gold Star Military Families, also Cindy Sheehan's son, and all families of

War Veterans, dead and alive.

Think about it.

p
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.................................
Have a beautiful afternoon.
Windows' open sky!

clouds' clime

pi~

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Response to Octafish (Reply #5)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 07:08 PM

67. +1 & Sharing.

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Response to silvershadow (Reply #1)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 04:37 PM

9. me too.

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Response to Octafish (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 04:17 PM

2. I remember that

Thanks for the reminder. Anyone who thinks this resignation is actually over an affair, is nucking futz, er, naive.

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Response to hootinholler (Reply #2)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 04:37 PM

10. Thanks to Porter Goss, the CIA was a Big Profit Center or Fiscal Black Hole, take your pick...

...plus, the women.



Goss Knew Foggo Shared A Girlfriend With Russian Spy, But Hired Him Anyway

Zachary Roth | February 26, 2009, 4:24PM

The Dusty Foggo story has never reflected well on Porter Goss -- the man who, as CIA director, gave Foggo the number 3 job at the agency. But it looks like we didn't know the half of it.

Congressional Quarterly has a juicy scoop:

Kyle "Dusty" Foggo's CIA dossier included allegations that he was sharing a woman with a suspected Russian mole, according to a top former spy agency official and other sources.

CIA Director Porter J. Goss knew about the allegation when he hired Foggo to be the agency's executive director, its third highest official, an aide said today.

But Merrell Moorhead, an aide to Goss at the CIA from 2004 to 2006, said CIA security officials later withdrew that and other serious allegations about Foggo's record and "gave him a clean bill of health."


CONTINUED...

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/dusty-foggo/2009/02/



Lots of money, there, Mr. T. Trillions.

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Response to Octafish (Reply #10)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 05:43 PM

23. Oh Shit Not Those Horrid People AGAIN Foggo, Duke, Wilkes etc

 

How the fuck do we get ride of lice like that? Ted Westhusing would NOT EVER kill himself on his Moms birthday. NEVER. The articles make it quite clear there was a special bond there. He was murdered. He was way too smart for those nasty fuckers.

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Response to HangOnKids (Reply #23)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 08:33 PM

41. Funny that it all kind of ended when Duke Cunningham went to jail.

The rest got real quiet, and then the DC madam hung it up in a garage. My money is on her providing the comfortable surroundings for those poker games. There was a limo guy who has been very quiet as well.

I hope someone with brass ones replaces Holder.

BTW, Hell of a message one sends when one suicides someone on their Mom's birthday.

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Response to Octafish (Reply #10)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 08:40 PM

44. Like the 2T that Rummy copped to on 9/10/2001?

There was a limo guy in the mix IIRC and I wonder if the DC Madam was the um, service provider.

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Response to hootinholler (Reply #2)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 04:57 PM

17. Agreed. nt

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Response to hootinholler (Reply #2)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 07:16 PM

38. That's probably what the FBI investigation is about -

figuring out how much Broadwell was able to learn.

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Response to TBF (Reply #38)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 08:36 PM

42. The Federal Burrial Institution?

When crimes need to be given cover, who ya gonna call?



No, not totally, but it's odd how their resources get allocated sometimes.

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Response to hootinholler (Reply #42)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 10:52 PM

46. Exactly - they need to know what

she could potentially write in some book she wants to sell ... what a mess for them.

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Response to Octafish (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 04:18 PM

3. Bookmarking as well, Petraeus was in the end, a Republican

"I will not lie, cheat, or steal, or tolerate those who do.”

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Response to flamingdem (Reply #3)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 04:50 PM

15. Lie, Cheat & Steal is practically a coat-of-arms for sophisticated crime families.

Death & Destruction are one traitorous crew's added specialities.

Know your BFEE: War and Oil are just two longtime Main Lines of Business

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Response to Octafish (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 04:18 PM

4. Thank you for this. Rec. n/t

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Response to Judi Lynn (Reply #4)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 11:04 PM

47. 'I went to the police, but it was like reporting the devil to the witch.'



Gen. Petraeus "corrupt" says Col. Westhusing, who then shot himself

by LiberalBadger Apr 09, 2008 2:08am PDT

EXCERPT...

Col. Westhusing was one of the guys that made sure that our soldiers knew right from wrong and how to act in the military with honor.  He believed in the mission - trusted what Colin Powell presented at the UN - and went to Iraq.  He was part of the group that trained the Iraqi soldiers.  Or more accurately, oversaw the contractors that were training the Iraqi soldiers, since we outsourced our military functions.

What he found was greed and corruption but not just under him, also above him.  And that is not that many layers up above him.

Upon reporting to his commanding officers, he realized that not only did the problems stretch to the level above him, but that they were systemic.
To these commanders the only real problem was the fact that they had a deeply honorable soldier in their command that was likely to rock the cash cow.

CONTINUED...

http://m.dailykos.com/story/2008/04/09/492603/-Gen-Petraeus-corrupt-says-Col-Westhusing-who-then-shot-himself




You are most welcome, Judi Lynn. Thank you for being you.

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Response to Octafish (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 04:26 PM

6. I'll read this later

But thank you for posting us reminders. Today I was in another threat arguing about war crimes, and the person there said there was not enough evidence of such. I remembered that there were bodies wherever the evidence came out:

David Kelly

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1245599/David-Kelly-post-mortem-kept-secret-70-years-doctors-accuse-Lord-Hutton-concealing-vital-information.html

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Response to Hydra (Reply #6)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 06:06 PM

74. 'I'll be found dead in the woods'

Daily Mail (UK)

David Kelly predicted he would be "found dead in the woods" if Iraq was invaded, months before his apparent suicide, the Hutton Inquiry heard today.

Giving evidence, Foreign Office official David Broucher said Dr Kelly had made what he thought to be the "throwaway" remark in February.

The weapons inspector was found dead at a woodland beauty spot in July after being revealed as the source for BBC claims that intelligence on Iraq had been "sexed up" in the run-up to war.

SNIP...

Mr Broucher added: "As David Kelly was leaving, I said to him 'what do you think will happen if Iraq is invaded?'.

"His reply was, which at the time I took to be a throwaway remark, he said 'I will probably be found dead in the woods'."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-193281/Ill-dead-woods.html

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Response to Octafish (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 04:28 PM

7. K & R

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Response to AzDar (Reply #7)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 12:40 PM

58. How War Made the Bush Family Rich

The original title above at TheInternationalCoalition blogspot was in all-caps:

EXCERPT...

Baker & Carlyle Hard At It

Baker and Carlyle have been hard at it behind the scenes, profiting in ways so blatant that a secret deal revealed by The Nation magazine (and since reported in most major newspapers) gives a whole new meaning to the term war profiteering.

SNIP...

Well that was then and this now. According to confidential documents obtained by The Nation, including a 65-page proposal to the Kuwaiti government, Carlyle has sought to secure a $1 billion investment from Kuwait using Baker's influence as debt envoy. The secret deal involved a plan to transfer ownership of up to $57 billion in unpaid Iraqi debts owed to Kuwait.

The debts would be assigned to a foundation created by a consortium in which the key players are the Carlyle Group and the Albright Group, headed by former secretary of state Madeline Albright, along with several other well-connected firms.

So it boils down to this, the Carlyle Group was engaged in lobbying to secure Iraq's debt at the same time that Baker was asking the world to forgive those debts. Under the deal, Kuwait would give the consortium $2 billion up front to invest in a private equity fund, with half of it going to Carlyle.

The Nation showed the documents to Jerome Levinson, an international lawyer and expert on political and corporate corruption at American University. He called it "one of the greatest cons of all time. The consortium is saying to the Kuwaiti government, 'Through us, you have the only chance to realize a substantial part of the debt. Why? Because of who we are and who we know.' It's influence peddling of the crassest kind."

Kathleen Clark, a law professor at Washington University and a leading expert on government ethics and regulations, told The Nation, that this means Baker is in a "classic conflict of interest. Baker is on two sides of this transaction: He is supposed to be representing the interests of the United States, but he is also a senior counselor at Carlyle, and Carlyle wants to get paid to help Kuwait recover its debts from Iraq." She said, "Carlyle and the other companies are exploiting Baker's current position to try to land a deal with Kuwait that would undermine the interests of the US government."

Just listen how they described The Carlyle Group, "a private equity team, has earned its reputation by successfully consummating deals at the intersection of politics and finance, with its roster of political stars, including, among others, former US Secretary of Defense Frank Carlucci, former British Prime Minister John Major, and until recently, former US President George Bush."

I like that "stars." Is that kind of like Hollywood stars except they are from Washington?

The document goes on to state: "The extent to which these individuals can plan an instrumental rule in fashioning strategies is now more limited ... due to the recent appointment of Secretary Baker as the President's envoy on international debt, and the need to avoid an apparent conflict of interest." Yet it goes on to say that this will soon change: "We believe that with Secretary Baker's retirement from his temporary position, that Carlyle and those leading individuals associated with Carlyle will then once again be free to play a more decisive role..." according to The Nation.

CONTINUED...

http://theinternationalcoalition.blogspot.com/2011/06/how-war-made-bush-family-rich.html

As you know, AzDar, the Carlyle Group was an investor in USIS, United States Investigations Services, the contractor with which Col. Westhusing had "problems." Thank you for standing up to them, my Friend.

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Response to Octafish (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 04:36 PM

8. to read later

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Response to Octafish (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 04:38 PM

11. Love you Octafish

Always on the ball

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Response to Octafish (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 04:39 PM

12. Why was he so...trusting?

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Response to WinkyDink (Reply #12)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 04:50 PM

16. That kept jumping out at me as well. Weird nt

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Response to WinkyDink (Reply #12)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 11:17 AM

56. Because he was a good person.


It is always tragic when such things are abused, but it is the abuse that is the fault, not the trust.

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Response to Octafish (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 04:49 PM

14. K&R n/t

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Response to Octafish (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 04:59 PM

18. Provocative and fascinating tie-in... things that make you go hmmm. K&R!

Thanks Octafish.... great work as always.

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Response to Octafish (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 05:03 PM

19. Thank you for another thought-provoking post, Octafish.

Col. Westhusing doesn't seem like a person who would commit suicide! There should be an investigation; although, with all the questionable deaths since 2000, I doubt that the DOJ or Congress could get to this case.

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Response to LongTomH (Reply #19)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 06:05 PM

28. I found the Q and A of his wife after his death very interesting; see link below.

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Response to ciking724 (Reply #28)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 09:53 AM

50. 'It was almost verbatim.'

Mrs. Westhusing, in reference to the 'suicide' note echoing sentiments expressed in a private phone call placed out of Patraeus' office.

Incredible PDF record, one that may indicate someone was listening in on Col. Westhusing's phone calls.

Thank you for the heads-up, cikin724. Incredible record that reveals the investigators' thinking and limitations. BTW, the arrows drawn to the right of a few statements could be most interesting to someone interested in covering up loose ends.

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Response to ciking724 (Reply #28)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 01:35 PM

60. I wonder if the wife is mad at herself

For talking him into not quitting on their last call.

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Response to Octafish (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 05:08 PM

20. I just heard on the news that now he will not testify in the

hearings that are scheduled.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #20)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 05:45 PM

25. Who?

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Response to GeorgeGist (Reply #25)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 05:59 PM

26. Petraeus. Wolf on CNN said it.n/t

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Response to Octafish (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 05:32 PM

21. Of course the Petraeus is dirty. He wouldn't have gotten the job othewise. He was a fraud too...

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Response to Octafish (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 05:38 PM

22. Halliburton.

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Response to Octafish (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 05:43 PM

24. i'm finding it very fortuitous timing that Petraus' affair comes out

as the administration is assessing its resources for the next term. i wonder how he was outed.

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Response to nashville_brook (Reply #24)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 06:00 PM

27. There are some people here on DU who raised holy-effing hell when Petraus was installed.

Not knowing enough about him myself, I was a little puzzled, maybe they knew more than I that they couldn't say.

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Response to patrice (Reply #27)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 11:09 AM

55. i was one.

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Response to nashville_brook (Reply #55)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 01:03 PM

59. I remember that. I was puzzled. I don't know very much about military culture, so he looked

fine to me.

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Response to patrice (Reply #27)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 01:39 PM

62. I read all this years ago

And wondered why Obama treated him so good...they must have had absolutely no one else in that mess in Iraq....but why give him CIA? That is the question....

Unless Obama has planned all along to use him and fire him after he got reelected.

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Response to marlakay (Reply #62)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 03:00 PM

64. I remember a strong & early critique of that war was "a lack of human intelligence" which means that

there was no one, other than Chalabi (and someone named 8-ball ??), from whom the administration, Bush at the time, could get useful information about actual grassroots Iraqi community leaders and this is what is responsible for our dysfunctions there.

You have to ask yourself if there were no such persons, because there just were NONE, or none who would work with us, or if there were such persons with good human intelligence & someone RAN THEM OFF in order to keep control over the situation to themselves, now WHO would do such a thing: the Pentagon? Cheney? the CIA? Others? All of these?

How do you figure such a situation out? You need someone inside of the situation, whom everyone else in the situation would have to deal with, with enough power to actually get some of the actors to DO certain things, who wouldn't become a high priority target, someone with the power to ask questions and get "answers" . . . etc. etc. etc.. Patreus.

Not knowing the short list well enough to evaluate other personnel options, I guess Patreus was about the only "choice" they had, so they had to trust him, "too bad" that turned out wrong for guys like Col. Westhusing et al.

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Response to Octafish (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 06:16 PM

29. Wow! k and r, and bookmarking this to read later eom

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Response to Octafish (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 06:23 PM

30. Wow. Thanks for posting this. I remember this too, and also posted an OP

here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021778562

Also, here is a good story (published in June 2011) by The Nation
on Col Ted Westhusing, and how Petraeus's fingerprints were all
over Westhusing's supposed "suicide".
http://www.thenation.com/blog/36661/general-petraeuss-link-troubling-suicide-iraq-ted-westhusing-story#

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Response to Octafish (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 06:25 PM

31. K&R.

Betrayus.

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Response to Octafish (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 06:32 PM

33. Copied and emailed to the relevant few..... ouch, this looks like it is going to

 

hurt a bit, thanks for this Octafish.

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Response to Octafish (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 06:36 PM

34. Pallets of shrink-wrapped $100 bills usually do draw some interest when they are 'lost'.

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Response to Octafish (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 07:01 PM

35. I read the entire thread, Octafish, and the links embedded

This is extremely disturbing.

When I heard today that Petraeus was leaving because of an affair, I though the story did not smell right. First of all, consider the timing.

I do not think we have heard the last of this, and I look forward to reading more or your posts updating this one.

Sam

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Response to Octafish (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 07:11 PM

36. Thank you for posting this....almost ashamed I didn't know about this sooner.

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Response to Octafish (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 07:13 PM

37. K&R to read more carefully later.

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Response to Octafish (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 07:23 PM

39. a tragedy to learn the lesson of questioning authority so late

those are one of the earlier lessons necessary to learn for personal growth. without it a lack of coping capacity to the world's horrors will leave you broken.

morality = rules to guide you in a perfect world.
ethics = guidelines to survive in an imperfect world.

cognitive dissonance can be a lethal experience, but at some point you must go through it.

edit: sounds like there's quite a bit of questions to the circumstances of his death. either way it sounds like his blind trust and openness did him in. discretion and savvy are necessary to survive a nest of vipers -- and where there's power, there's vipers.

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Response to Octafish (Original post)

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 08:39 PM

43. You come up with the most marvelous information.

I declare you a DU treasure!

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Response to Octafish (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 02:55 AM

48. Never liked or trusted him

We've read to much shit about him over the years.
Thanks for the reminder.

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Response to Octafish (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 09:51 AM

49. There is the larger context of shrinking the military budget to consider.

There might be a move to discredit unethical or corrupt elements of the military preceding a spend-down. Certainly those who would oppose the president in both the military and in Congress would have to consider the "losses" of pallets of money, the zero ROI and then, the needed reshuffling of the brass hierarchy to implement the commander-in-chief's restructuring plans. These might quiet down the tabloid media claims against the president's restructuring plans for both the CIA and military while bolstering his credibility as a constructive leader in military security.

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Response to Octafish (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 09:59 AM

51. I've followed you for many years, mostly lurking....

....and your posts are always insightful and detailed.

"Suicide"? Hmmm.

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Response to Octafish (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 10:21 AM

52. R#97 & K n/t

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Response to Octafish (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 10:25 AM

53. K&R nt

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Response to Octafish (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 01:37 PM

61. Betrayus was a toadie for the AWOL Bush regime

A gutless piece of shit.

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Response to Octafish (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 02:47 PM

63. War Crimes Act of 1996: definition to include a "grave breach of the Geneva Conventions"

 

Last edited Sat Nov 10, 2012, 03:17 PM - Edit history (1)

from juancole.com

The United Nations will Investigate Civilian Deaths in US Drone Strikes

The Bureau of Investigative Journalism writes

>>>snip

The London-based lawyer became the second senior UN official in recent months to label the tactic of deliberately targeting rescuers and funeral-goers with drones ‘a war crime’. That practice was first exposed by the Bureau for the Sunday Times in February 2012.

‘ alleged that since President Obama took office at least 50 civilians were killed in follow-up strikes when they had gone to help victims and more than 20 civilians have also been attacked in deliberate strikes on funerals and mourners. Christof Heyns … has described such attacks, if they prove to have happened, as war crimes. I would endorse that view,’ said Emmerson.


>>>snip



Also, under 18 USC 2441 - War crimes, this can be a capital offense if people are killed.

The follow-up drone strikes are, in all probability, prosecutable as offenses under the Geneva Conventions treaty, particularly the Fourth Convention, Part 1, Article 3, to wit:

...the parties must as a minimum adhere to minimal protections described as: noncombatants, members of armed forces who have laid down their arms, and combatants who are hors de combat (out of the fight) due to wounds, detention, or any other cause shall in all circumstances be treated humanely, with the following prohibitions:
(a) violence to life and person, in particular murder of all kinds,


So a bomb aimed at those retrieving wounded from a previous strike would fall under this category, as well as provisions pertaining to "the protection of civilians providing aid to the wounded" under the first Convention. - barracuda



We know the CIA is running the drone program.

Another bona fide war criminal in our midsts?

Did General Petraeus give the order?

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Response to Octafish (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 04:16 PM

65. FWIW: I am a Veteran & my father was a Veteran & I know lots of military in my family, ALL branches

I am also a teacher. There are teachers in my family, with decades of experience. I am also a learning research professional. I know lots of teachers, so do other educators and my nieces and nephews around the USA.

To do:

Consider reading the Pentagon's description of Benghazi, CIA misguidance about that youtube "Muslim" cartoon video, which had been on the internet for at least a year. All of which has been the topic of F*x Ewes, Royal+Church+ Corporate Propaganda about Libya.

I remember wondering, at the time, why in Egypt everyone went out and demonstrated loudly, then went home to supper, but Libya . . .

WRONG!

I'm Very Sorry to say.

but

Our country needs to talk about what's going on with OUR military.

As a Veteran myself, in a military family. I feel it's necessary to say this.

...............

FWIW,
p

...................................

AnyWay, . . .

Happy Holidays,
to All,
a Blessed Community
in One!
all Families of Man,
Greetings!
of Peace on Earth and
Light to All
One Heart
USA!


Love,
:p

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Response to Octafish (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 07:11 PM

68. Whose Soldiers?!! *O*U*R* Soldiers! Never Forget!

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Response to Octafish (Original post)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 09:44 PM

69. More links.

http://www.utexas.edu/research/pasp/publications/editorials/westhusing.html

News: April 27, 2007 The Austin Chronicle (with two corrections)

Ted's Ghost - The death of Ted Westhusing leaves a widening circle of sorrow
By Tom Palaima



http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2012/11/09/paula_broadwell_talks_gen_petraeus_on_the_daily_show_with_jon_stewart.html
Worthwhile video links. Aside: She graduated from WP in '95. Could she have been 'one of his cadets'?


http://consortiumnews.com/2012/11/10/behind-petraeuss-resignation/
by rbt parry

http://consortiumnews.com/2012/11/10/pundit-tears-for-petraeuss-demise/
by ray mcgovern

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Response to proverbialwisdom (Reply #69)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 02:29 PM

72. Thank you, proverbialwisdom. Must-Reads.

The former CIA director is a darling of the neocon warmonger set, the "money trumps peace" crowd who've killed millions to make trillions.

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Response to Octafish (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 02:45 AM

70. Bookmarking for later. nt

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Response to Octafish (Original post)

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 09:27 AM

71. k & r

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Thu Jan 9, 2014, 12:23 AM

78. WAR IS WAR: WESTHUSING --A DEATH IN IRAQ

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Response to Hey There2 (Reply #78)

Thu Jan 9, 2014, 10:16 AM

79. Thank you, Hey There2!

From the little that we know, it's clear his death was the result of murder. The man reported he felt his life was in danger. And, as the video makes clear, he was witness to the corruption in Iraq.

The video is a most informative narrative. I will share it and its message. One typo toward the end in the call-to-action slide: GOOGLE is misspelled.

Thank you infinitely for remembering Col. Westhusing. We are still free because of people like him.

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