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Wed Nov 7, 2012, 09:26 AM

Obama begins getting creamed by the left again in 3..2..1...

Such is today's Democratic party....

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Reply Obama begins getting creamed by the left again in 3..2..1... (Original post)
scheming daemons Nov 2012 OP
cherokeeprogressive Nov 2012 #1
bowens43 Nov 2012 #2
WhaTHellsgoingonhere Nov 2012 #38
Le Taz Hot Nov 2012 #3
Marr Nov 2012 #11
vi5 Nov 2012 #4
ananda Nov 2012 #10
hfojvt Nov 2012 #15
vi5 Nov 2012 #30
hfojvt Nov 2012 #35
PowerToThePeople Nov 2012 #25
vi5 Nov 2012 #26
PowerToThePeople Nov 2012 #29
nc4bo Nov 2012 #27
GodlessBiker Nov 2012 #5
hfojvt Nov 2012 #20
kentuck Nov 2012 #6
Comrade_McKenzie Nov 2012 #7
demmiblue Nov 2012 #8
Bonobo Nov 2012 #9
FredStembottom Nov 2012 #42
Poll_Blind Nov 2012 #12
whatchamacallit Nov 2012 #39
Marr Nov 2012 #13
Chan790 Nov 2012 #14
Poll_Blind Nov 2012 #16
hiphopnation Nov 2012 #17
Warren Stupidity Nov 2012 #18
Ichingcarpenter Nov 2012 #19
bvar22 Nov 2012 #36
Poll_Blind Nov 2012 #43
Tom Rinaldo Nov 2012 #21
dawg Nov 2012 #22
RoccoR5955 Nov 2012 #23
Junkdrawer Nov 2012 #24
Stinky The Clown Nov 2012 #28
n2doc Nov 2012 #31
G_j Nov 2012 #45
hay rick Nov 2012 #32
bvar22 Nov 2012 #33
G_j Nov 2012 #34
EnviroBat Nov 2012 #37
WorseBeforeBetter Nov 2012 #40
Puglover Nov 2012 #41
dorkulon Nov 2012 #44

Response to scheming daemons (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 09:27 AM

1. Oh just enjoy the moment n/t

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Response to scheming daemons (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 09:29 AM

2. You expect lock step and blind obedience?

I made a vow 4 months or so to stop voicing my opinions about things Obama has done or hasn't done until after the election. I am very glad he was re-elected.

The election is over. I will certainly say what I think. if that includes criticism of Obama then so be it.
He doesn't get a free ride because he's a Democrat.

But for now I'm just enjoying it......

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Response to bowens43 (Reply #2)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 11:18 AM

38. MSNBC became nothing more than...

...the Obama reelection committee 18 months ago. I listen to The Ed Show (radio) daily, and about 18 months ago folks were calling in telling Ed that he was going to be the reason Obama doesn't get reelected. It seemed about 18 months ago Rachel stopped reporting about things like wiretapping, Gitmo, Wall Street vs. Main Street, etc. Only Norman Goldman stuck to his principles.

I think it's tine integrity returns to MSNBC.

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Response to scheming daemons (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 09:30 AM

3. I believe it is YOU

who just took the first shot.

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Response to Le Taz Hot (Reply #3)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 09:39 AM

11. Yep. /nt

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Response to scheming daemons (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 09:30 AM

4. As he should...

He needs to be pushed from the left. For the first four years the more left leaning among us were told "Shhhh! Stop pushing. It's his first term and change is incremental and we don't want to risk his re-election chances!! If he loses it will be your fault!!"

So we all united, turned out and got him re-elected. And as requested we got a bigger majority in the senate and we got some genuinely progressive folks elected to help him out in the Senate.

So now is the time for the left to be pushing. Within reason of course and not just flailing around and attacking without focus. But he should expect to be pushed from the left.

And in return now is the time for him to show us what his true vision for Government in this country is. Will his approach be more like the progressive Elizabeth Warren or more Mr. Austerity Paul Ryan?

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Response to vi5 (Reply #4)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 09:38 AM

10. Absolutely!

We lefties must make our voices heard!

There is still much dross to be cleared from the Bush and Reagan administrations
and those harmful SCOTUS rulings in favor of corporations.

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Response to vi5 (Reply #4)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 09:44 AM

15. except the left, and even the moderates

got killed in the House election. The House is still controlled by uncompromising lunatics. And since most of them just got re-elected they have absolutely zero incentive now to start compromising.

So I am not sure what the left expects Obama to accomplish. The only legislation that will pass the House is far-right to moderate right (if we are lucky) legislation.

Even IF Obama wanted to move left, and he just got re-elected after a center-right first term, he has no power to go anywhere with this Congress that we, the voters, just gave to him.

In fact, Republican calls for impeachment begin in 3,2,1...

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Response to hfojvt (Reply #15)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 10:26 AM

30. Understood, however.....

It's not a matter of what we want him to accomplish. Sure there is stuff we'd like but personally speaking I understand he may not get it to pass because of the situation he is in with the aforementioned lunatics.

However, I expect him to be just as uncompromising on certain things. Namely social security, medicare, and Bush tax cuts.

So no, I don't expect there's any more of a chance of him being able to enact Single Payer, make gay marriage the law of the land throughout the country, and permanently legalize abortion under all circumstances. Personally speaking I will not criticize him for not doing things like that.

However, I do expect him to not agree with the lunatics and cut social security, cut medicare, or extend the Bush tax cuts on th wealthy. And if he does those things I will criticize him.

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Response to vi5 (Reply #30)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 10:51 AM

35. his stated goal has always been to extend Bush tax cuts for the wealthy

His plan is to extend about 73% if the Bush tax cuts, including $40 billion a year for the top 1%, $40 billion a year for the top 4%, and $163 billion a year (out of $301 billion in total tax cuts, so 54%) to the top 20%.

That's the best we can hope for if Obama fights and wins. If, instead, he "compromises", then the rich will get even bigger tax cuts.

I full expect him to "compromise", and then to declare victory in said "compromise". That has been his pattern.

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Response to vi5 (Reply #4)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 10:17 AM

25. Pushed TO the left

or pulled by the left. Not pushed from the left.

But, he needs to move left. Go public with the right-wing obstruction. Shame them.

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Response to PowerToThePeople (Reply #25)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 10:21 AM

26. Whatever...

Yes, he needs to move left. I mean pushed from the left meaning "The Left" has to push him to take action on certain things. I meant the left as an entity of people and not a specific direction.

But yes, we agree.

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Response to vi5 (Reply #26)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 10:25 AM

29. I know what you meant

But words have meaning and the symbolism words describe have meaning.

Agree with me or not, but I believe that how we say something is just as important as what we say.

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Response to vi5 (Reply #4)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 10:23 AM

27. +1. nm

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Response to scheming daemons (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 09:31 AM

5. Are you kidding? Lefties were his biggest supporters last night.

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Response to GodlessBiker (Reply #5)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 09:58 AM

20. yes, but inside of a month

and they/we will be gnashing their/our teeth and wondering why.

Me, I am happy that Romney lost, but I have not been a big supporter of Obama since 12 December 2010, when "yes we can" becamse "oh no, I won't".

I also would prefer to see ALL of the Bush tax cuts expire than to see 735 of them retained like Obama wants, including a whopping 26.5% going to the richest 5% and only 13.9% going to the poorest 40%. Obama wants to extend them for the Romney-middle-classs, those with income less than $250,000. He could save them for the bottom 40% by extending them for incomes below $33,000 or for the bottom 60% by letting them expire for income under $53,000.

But both of those are off the table as Obama will push for tax cuts for those with incomes between $53,000 and $250,000 (which also includes much bigger tax cuts for those with incomes over $250,000.

In fact, it would not shock me if Democrats agreed to reverse the Bush tax cuts for incomes under $1,000,000.

It would sicken and disgust me, but not shock me.

Nothing Shocks Me Anymore.

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Response to scheming daemons (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 09:31 AM

6. But don't forget...

The left voted for him too. We have a say in our government.

Don't crap in your own nest.

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Response to scheming daemons (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 09:34 AM

7. The American people voted for pragmatism...

 

As far to the left as I am myself, I accept that.

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Response to scheming daemons (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 09:36 AM

8. Stop trying to flamebait and enjoy our win. n/t

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Response to scheming daemons (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 09:37 AM

9. That you think that he should not be criticized before, after or during an election....

THAT is the real tragedy, the real joke and the real shame.

It is pathetic and self-destructive.

It is also weak and sheeplike.

It is also ahistorical, ignorant and petulant.

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Response to Bonobo (Reply #9)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 11:45 AM

42. I thought the gag order would fade now.

Thank you, Bonobo for saying it so well.

I am not looking for a savior, an idol or a rock star.

I am here at DU for policy discussions.

I am thrilled that O won. The other side would have killed off people like me ( mere hard working blue collar guy) with their policies.

But now I insist that newly triumphant Dems work really, really ,really hard for the policies that will help guys like me and our families.

I need the policies. Badly.

(SD, you got the sterilized website you wanted in the run up to the election. Now DU just might return to weightier things.

Sorry.)

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Response to scheming daemons (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 09:39 AM

12. Oh look, SD wants to start a flame war on celebration day. Quelle surprise!



PB

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Response to Poll_Blind (Reply #12)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 11:26 AM

39. Let me join you

Guess our time, money, and votes weren't enough.

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Response to scheming daemons (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 09:41 AM

13. So for the last year or so, we were in "don't criticize hime during the campaign" mode.

And now we're back to "don't criticize him, period" mode.

Gotcha.

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Response to scheming daemons (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 09:43 AM

14. nah...

personally, I'll wait for him to do something worth getting creamed over...like putting more SS cuts on the table to avert the "fiscal cliff" or giving in on the Bush tax-cut for top earners. As long as he's good to his word on economic issues, he's alright with me.

I mean I wish he'd reverse course on pot but thinking that is hardly creaming him.

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Response to scheming daemons (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 09:50 AM

16. "Oh crap, it failed to get everyone to start fighting each other! Better lay low."



PB

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Response to scheming daemons (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 09:54 AM

17. Have you finished your homework?

Here's your lunch money. Stay away from that weird kid at the bus stop. Give mama a kiss! *pats butt on way out the door*

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Response to scheming daemons (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 09:54 AM

18. And this is the first divisive post I've read today.

You must be so proud!

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Response to scheming daemons (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 09:56 AM

19. This is my first alert ever.... ever... you get that?

Very poor post and a flame bait.

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Response to Ichingcarpenter (Reply #19)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 10:53 AM

36. I will join you.

The is the first divisive attack on Democrats since President Obama was re-elected.

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Response to bvar22 (Reply #36)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 03:47 PM

43. Indeed! Well, at least we had a four and a half hour breather, or so.

From the time Obama declared victory till the first poo-throwing started.

PB

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Response to scheming daemons (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 09:59 AM

21. Democrats put aside their differences to unite to win this crucial election.

Such is today's Democratic party...

If that is not enough for you, would you rather we start training to act more like Republicans?

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Response to scheming daemons (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 10:01 AM

22. We were good soldiers, and the victory has been won.

We have earned to right to state our opinions .... boldly!

But I'm too busy savoring the victory to do that today.

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Response to scheming daemons (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 10:11 AM

23. I will savor a victory today

But mark my words, as soon as Obama does something like he did with the Healthcare bill, and doesn't include Medicare for all as an option, not that, but something like it, I will feel compelled to criticize.
Nobody is 100% perfect, and I am a Democratic Socialist. I will be pushing from the left. I only hope that others do so, but today is a day of victory against the extreme Fascists. I will celebrate that for now, and only for now.

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Response to scheming daemons (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 10:12 AM

24. Does this mean there are forces in the Democratic Party challenging the DLC?

That would be hopeful. Perhaps we won't repeat the 2008-2010 Screw The Base debacle.

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Response to scheming daemons (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 10:23 AM

28. I got a little news for ya. This win belongs to ALL of us. And we get our say.

There was amazing "lock step" during the campaign. But now that this is it and now that he doesn't have to campaign anymore, "The Left" gets its say, too. Sorry that bothers you.

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Response to scheming daemons (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 10:27 AM

31. ...

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Response to n2doc (Reply #31)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 10:42 AM

45. +1


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Response to scheming daemons (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 10:36 AM

32. Speaking for myself- count on it.

"Campaign season" tongue-biting is over. It's time to hold his feet to the fire- just as he once requested.

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Response to scheming daemons (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 10:48 AM

33. Getting Obama elected is the EASY part.

Getting him to Stand UP and act like a DEMOCRAT is the hard part.






You will know them by their WORKS,
not by their rhetoric, promises, or excuses.
Solidarity99!
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Response to scheming daemons (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 10:51 AM

34. so what?

lockstep is for somebody else..

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Response to scheming daemons (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 11:04 AM

37. I don't understand why he's "sitting down with Romney"..

The fucking guy is irrelevant. He should vanish like the fart in the wind that he is. Why is Obama even bothering with this asshole anymore.

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Response to EnviroBat (Reply #37)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 11:33 AM

40. Yeah, I winced at that comment.

Just let Mittens slip into obscurity...

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Response to scheming daemons (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 11:40 AM

41. I was so enjoying the punch.

Thanks for the turd.

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Response to scheming daemons (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 03:51 PM

44. Now is absolutely the time to pressure him on many issues.

1. We can't hurt his chances next time; there is no next time.
2. He can do pretty much what he wants; no worries about reelection, but
3. He needs some public support for any bold moves. That's us.

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