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Tue Oct 30, 2012, 02:16 PM

The Romneybots are rabbid

I talked to my 89 year old dad last night. Wanted to talk to him in the event Sandy took our power for several days. H lives in Iowa and is a life long Democrat and retired AFL-CIO member.

He was all excited because the local football team was one win away from the championship. But then he went on about a phone call he had received a few days before. It was from my youngest brother who has become the most extreme right wing wackjob.

My dad was upset about this phone call because my brother was harrasing him about his vote and his religion. Dad told me that he was going to hell according to my brother because he is voting for Obama and is Catholic.

Now first of all, we were raised Catholic and now my brother is ridiculing it like it is a cult or something, this really made my dad angry.

Second, my brother knows well where my parents always stood politically, my mother always worked for one campaign or another, we always had big parties in the back yard with some big name Democrats of the day attending. And with dad being in a union, he knew where to put his support.

So my brother is so rabid, that he calls his father and harassed him over his vote. He made the mistake of telling my dad that Romney was like Reagan. I am sure dad went ballistic on that one, it was during the Reagan's union busting that my father was forced to retire early.

Dad indicated that this was not the first such call from my brother. What is wrong with someone who can't accept that their own father has different views than they do?

I don't even talk with my brother any more because he is so radical.



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Reply The Romneybots are rabbid (Original post)
liberal N proud Oct 2012 OP
marezdotes Oct 2012 #1
Wait Wut Oct 2012 #2
PDJane Oct 2012 #3
Auntie Bush Oct 2012 #15
Lucinda Oct 2012 #4
TwilightGardener Oct 2012 #5
AtomicKitten Oct 2012 #6
liberal N proud Oct 2012 #16
AtomicKitten Oct 2012 #21
Window Oct 2012 #38
kelliekat44 Oct 2012 #34
reflection Oct 2012 #7
liberal N proud Oct 2012 #18
reflection Oct 2012 #19
liberal N proud Oct 2012 #31
MFM008 Oct 2012 #8
1StrongBlackMan Oct 2012 #9
liberal N proud Oct 2012 #14
PearliePoo2 Oct 2012 #10
yardwork Oct 2012 #17
TwilightGardener Oct 2012 #20
BlancheSplanchnik Oct 2012 #26
TwilightGardener Oct 2012 #35
Auntie Bush Oct 2012 #36
Mariana Oct 2012 #11
joeybee12 Oct 2012 #12
madaboutharry Oct 2012 #13
AverageJoe90 Oct 2012 #22
dorksied Oct 2012 #23
Motown_Johnny Oct 2012 #24
lexw Oct 2012 #25
txrose Oct 2012 #27
renate Oct 2012 #33
PearliePoo2 Oct 2012 #41
Swede Atlanta Oct 2012 #28
Drunken Irishman Oct 2012 #29
liberal N proud Oct 2012 #32
magical thyme Oct 2012 #30
WiffenPoof Oct 2012 #37
lindysalsagal Oct 2012 #42
Marmitist Oct 2012 #39
Honeycombe8 Oct 2012 #40
peasant one Oct 2012 #43

Response to liberal N proud (Original post)

Tue Oct 30, 2012, 02:21 PM

1. I have a brother like that too.

He's the only one in the family that votes Republican. He likes to call us Communists and that includes our Dad. I believe Republicanism is a mental disorder, especially the visious Thugs like our bro's. I don't talk to him much anymore.

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Response to liberal N proud (Original post)

Tue Oct 30, 2012, 02:22 PM

2. That's sad.

I hope your dad didn't take it to heart. Your brother needs to back the fuck off and realize that your father has been around long enough to make his own decisions.

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Response to liberal N proud (Original post)

Tue Oct 30, 2012, 02:23 PM

3. All I can give you is some empathy.

I've no idea what causes people to do this, and considering the number of great people who are, apparently, going to hell, I'd rather be there.

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Response to PDJane (Reply #3)

Tue Oct 30, 2012, 03:08 PM

15. I know what causes this.

They're ReThugs...accent on THUGS. Too many of them are rabid like this.

I and my Republican brothers email back and forth...each trying to convert the other. I've given up...they're hopeless! However, It would never change my feelings toward them. My sister is also Republican and I love all my siblings dearly. I would never let politics come between me and my family. If it's getting ugly between loved ones...Just refuse to discuss politics and hang up on them if they insist. After the election...hopefully things will get back to normal. Everyone is so stressed out right now...but, fear is running ramped among the Thugs.

Sorry, I think this is also an answer to the OP.

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Response to liberal N proud (Original post)

Tue Oct 30, 2012, 02:26 PM

4. Sad to see someone that entrenched in political spinning.

I hope your brother figures it out soon.

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Response to liberal N proud (Original post)

Tue Oct 30, 2012, 02:26 PM

5. Gah, that sucks. Watch out for him, in terms of how

he treats your dad--doesn't sound like he's being especially kind to a guy who's almost 90.

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Response to liberal N proud (Original post)

Tue Oct 30, 2012, 02:26 PM

6. I'd make the call to the brother and ask him to back the eff off your 89-year-old father.

Just tell him politics and religion are too volatile a conversation to have with your elderly father and that you would appreciate it if he considered your father's well-being and shut his pie hole.

My 2-centsworth. Good luck.

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Response to AtomicKitten (Reply #6)

Tue Oct 30, 2012, 03:11 PM

16. My sister has told him to back off

If he isn't listening to her, there is no hope. He came across the table at me once.

At my mothers funeral, he was an ass, he and two other brothers squatted at the house and scowled at us when we visited dad. It took every bone in my body to not take him out then.

I just avoid the ass.

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Response to liberal N proud (Reply #16)

Tue Oct 30, 2012, 03:45 PM

21. Second idea: Make sure your dad has caller ID and tell him to use it.

I sympathize because my family is a mess and I too just stay clear of the loons.

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Response to AtomicKitten (Reply #21)

Tue Oct 30, 2012, 06:53 PM

38. Change the number.

n/t

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Response to liberal N proud (Reply #16)

Tue Oct 30, 2012, 06:19 PM

34. Not trying to be funny, but his kind of behavior makes me wonder if he is on somthing?

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Response to liberal N proud (Original post)

Tue Oct 30, 2012, 02:27 PM

7. Tell your brother

if he doesn't respect your dad's politics, he should at least damn sure respect your DAD.

Tell him your dad was in the real world experiencing shit and voting when your brother was just a gleam in your Dad's eye while looking at your mother.

(I realize that last sentence is poorly constructed, but I don't care)

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Response to reflection (Reply #7)

Tue Oct 30, 2012, 03:14 PM

18. You can't reason with this guy.

He thinks he knows more then everyone and is going to beat it out of if you challenge him. He can across the table at once because I didn't agree with him.

We don't talk.

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Response to liberal N proud (Reply #18)

Tue Oct 30, 2012, 03:18 PM

19. what a psycho.

Thanksgivings must be real pleasant.

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Response to reflection (Reply #19)

Tue Oct 30, 2012, 06:13 PM

31. I avoid it

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Response to liberal N proud (Original post)

Tue Oct 30, 2012, 02:28 PM

8. yeah my brother is rabid to.

For our side. He wont even talk to republicans. My mom and son and sister to. The family that loathes gOP together stays together.

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Response to liberal N proud (Original post)

Tue Oct 30, 2012, 02:40 PM

9. Question:

Is myour brother a romneybot? Or, an anti-(President) Obamabot.

If he's a romneybot ... I suspect he's the only one in the entire gop.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #9)

Tue Oct 30, 2012, 03:03 PM

14. He is right wing radical.

He thought bu$h was a great leader. I think he drank the tea.

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Response to liberal N proud (Original post)

Tue Oct 30, 2012, 02:41 PM

10. Oh man...do I ever understand.

Both of my parents are now deceased, but when they were alive, my older brother did the SAME thing. He would call them and rant on and on. It was particularly stressful for my Mom.
I come from a long line of Union, Democratic households. I'm a 3rd generation Union member.
My (union member) older brother turned "right-wing whacko" after years of driving his Teamster truck in Eastern Washington with NOTHING on the am radio but poisonous Rush. My sister (Operating Engineers) called me and said, "It's like we need an intervention!"
Nope...too late, we have lost him...he's gone to the dark side.
Not only that, my brother used to be a nice guy...now he is angry, really angry and full of hate. I have talked to him once in the 14 years since my Dad's funeral, but I get updates from my other brother and sister.
I miss the brother I used to know, love and was so close to. Now he is a stranger.

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Response to PearliePoo2 (Reply #10)

Tue Oct 30, 2012, 03:13 PM

17. I think that the Republicans are using psy-ops to play on people's fears and anger.

I believe that decades worth of psychological research has gone into writing the scripts that people like Rush read on hate radio. It's designed to brainwash people who are vulnerable. I'm not sure why it works with some people and not others, but I have a bad feeling that if I didn't read DU and other political sites and I got all my information from Fox News and hate radio, I might succumb too. I think that the Republicans figured out how to prey on people's fears, resentments, and other weaknesses, exploiting their emotions and making them angry.

I've seen this happen to a couple of family members.

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Response to yardwork (Reply #17)

Tue Oct 30, 2012, 03:26 PM

20. I agree with this--I think it's some combination of isolation, suspicion,

and having gotten the shaft (real or perceived) at some point in life that makes people responsive to RW hate radio. Rush speaks to them and they feel that THIS guy understands what they've been through, THIS guy knows it's all bullshit out there, THIS guy knows what the real score is. Like a little club for the disgruntled, lonely, and misunderstood--angry at women in general, the well-educated, all those of other races who keep getting speshul treatment or goodies from the government... An interesting psychological phenomenon, for sure.

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Response to TwilightGardener (Reply #20)

Tue Oct 30, 2012, 05:09 PM

26. interesting analysis

I'm thinking of someone who seems to fit your breakdown here, particularly with regard to getting the shaft. He doesn't really listen to hate radio or fux, but I believe he gets the script from his RW christofascist brother, who HAS treated siblings and elderly parents the same way that the OP describes.

I wonder how his brain processes work, since he didn't experience the kind of screw overs. At least I don't think so....also, he was a judgmental, conservative dick early on, from what I understand.

Well...anyway...I guess there's probably more here I could say, but not worth it right now.

I just wonder, how do people hang on to such misguided ideas and false idols, even when it's clear that they've gone wayyyy down the wrong path?

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Response to BlancheSplanchnik (Reply #26)

Tue Oct 30, 2012, 06:21 PM

35. Their ideas and beliefs are their facts--they cannot or do not

distinguish their personal beliefs from objective fact. You can show them statistics, documents, quotes and credible sources to dispute them, and conservative nutjobs will believe what they want to believe, no matter how obviously untrue it may be. They are not tethered to reality. I have some extended family members like this (though they hate Obama more than they love the Republican party)--there's no point in arguing with them, because I will never change their minds. It's like trying to convince someone their religious beliefs are wrong.

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Response to PearliePoo2 (Reply #10)

Tue Oct 30, 2012, 06:23 PM

36. Republicanism is a cursed disease.

It destroys the empathy area of the brain and makes people selfish and angry. A most horrible disease for which there doesn't seem to have a cure...not even a vaccine.

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Response to liberal N proud (Original post)

Tue Oct 30, 2012, 02:47 PM

11. They learn to behave this way from RW radio

and Fox News, and in some cases, their churches. Those assholes are SO hateful and disrespectful toward anyone who disagrees with them. It's not hard to imagine how someone who listens to that shit all day, every day can come to believe that such behavior is socially acceptable.

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Response to liberal N proud (Original post)

Tue Oct 30, 2012, 02:49 PM

12. You need to smack your brother good and hard...your father is 89...

You just don't harrass an 89-year-old man.

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Response to liberal N proud (Original post)

Tue Oct 30, 2012, 02:57 PM

13. This is always what extremism looks like.

Religion, politics, culture, really anything for that matter, can turn into cult like fervor when it is pushed to the extreme. I think it is a sign of mental instability when it gets to that point.

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Response to liberal N proud (Original post)

Tue Oct 30, 2012, 04:37 PM

22. Sorry to hear that.

Can't help but think that the Teabagger propaganda must've ruined your little bro's brain.

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Response to liberal N proud (Original post)

Tue Oct 30, 2012, 04:38 PM

23. I feel for ya... I'm lucky, and the only 2 members of my family who are political agree with me.

Sorry to hear it has caused you so much pain.

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Response to liberal N proud (Original post)

Tue Oct 30, 2012, 04:42 PM

24. I think maybe you should call your brother and try to get him to keep his

opinions to himself when calling his/your parents.

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Response to liberal N proud (Original post)

Tue Oct 30, 2012, 04:45 PM

25. My parents were Republicans and my inlaws are Republicans...

...we just learned to never discuss politics. Period.

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Response to liberal N proud (Original post)

Tue Oct 30, 2012, 05:13 PM

27. Sorry your dad went through that...

I, too, have family members who act that way, but I'd like to add that there is hope. My 85 yr old mom wanted to vote for Hillary in '08. She grew up in the south & had concerns of what might happen, should Obama take office. After I reassured her, she did vote for him. You should see her now! She donated to his campaign - twice! I believe she'd adopt him if she could!! lol! My 87 yr old step dad is a staunch Republican, but cannot stand Romney. This year, he, too, is voting Obama!

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Response to txrose (Reply #27)

Tue Oct 30, 2012, 06:17 PM

33. wow, that's fantastic

All great news!

Welcome to DU!

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Response to txrose (Reply #27)

Tue Oct 30, 2012, 10:22 PM

41. Nice recount!

I love these stories.
Welcome to DU txrose!!

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Response to liberal N proud (Original post)

Tue Oct 30, 2012, 05:17 PM

28. I feel for you......

 

Unfortunately the topics of religion and politics often divide and even, as in your case, estrange families.

I never really knew how my parents voted. I was raised in one of those conservative inter-mountain states but their conservatism was not driven by religion but rather their resentment of Washington meddling too much in their affairs. But we never discussed politics at home.

I know my paternal grandfather was a staunch Democrat and have since come to understand that all my father's siblings except for the one brother who "defected" to marry a Mormon and then embrace Mormonism, are Democrats.

My sister and I don't discuss politics either. Her husband is a bit of an aging redneck. He was all up in arms about the efforts taken during the Clinton administration to protect the Spotted Owl. My BIL is a log truck driver. But other than that we really haven't had any of those discussions.

My Aunt, my mother's sister, and her husband are staunch Republicans. I have several times taken a hiatus from talking with her because we can't agree. So on a recent visit to see her along with my sister, my aunt and I had agreed in advance to avoid politics. But my sister wasn't in on our agreement so my sister asked very openly, "so what do you think about the election" or something like that. My Aunt and I both just looked at one another. My sister made some comment that she wasn't very happy with the rich continuing to get richer while she sees her two sons struggling to make ends meet. Then she said (and she isn't an overly religious person) she was concerned that there is never any footage of Obama going to church.

I ventured a query to my sister....was she inferring that he wasn't a religious person, that he wasn't Christian (I don't care if he is an atheist, Muslim, Buddhist, etc.) or exactly what? She replied no just that she remembered with previous presidents there seemed to be a lot of footage of them going to church. I replied I have no factual basis to comment on whether the first family goes to church regularly or not or if they worship at home in the White House. But I said, I don't look to the outward shows of religious faith or piety. In fact in Matthew 6:6 we learn "But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you." This is in fact a direct admonition against public displays of prayer or faith. I said I actually look at a candidate's policies and whether or not they are Christian or moral. I said for me in this election that choice is very clear.

I saw my Uncle, who has some dementia, ready to bash Obama and watched as my Aunt squeezed his hand and I quickly moved onto another topic.

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Response to liberal N proud (Original post)

Tue Oct 30, 2012, 05:19 PM

29. Wow. Your brother sounds like an asshole.

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Response to Drunken Irishman (Reply #29)

Tue Oct 30, 2012, 06:14 PM

32. A No 1

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Response to liberal N proud (Original post)

Tue Oct 30, 2012, 05:43 PM

30. My teaparty sister is like that

She threatened me a few months ago, that if I continued to believe the way I do (in climate change) that I will "lose everything and never have a nice life." For the first time in over 58 years of being screamed at, I screamed back. We no longer speak. I'd avoided her for decades because she's a screaming, abusive bitch. Then recontacted when I heard she way dying of cancer and wanted to speak to me. We got along all the way through her chemo and radiation. In remission and recovered from the treatment, she reverted to being a screaming, abusive nutcase.

In fairness, a couple years back my GOP father wrote to her that he's sorry he ever adopted her (she's my half sister). She cut that sentence out of his letter, wrote ditto on it and mailed it back.

They're both hateful nuts, but the teaparty has made her more rabid than ever. Meh.

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Response to liberal N proud (Original post)

Tue Oct 30, 2012, 06:35 PM

37. This Is An Interesting Post...

...it is an indication of where the far Right has gone. It is almost like there is a slow progression in Right-Wing thought...indoctrination, really. Over time, they cross over some threshold where "obsession" is the word of the day. Everything stems from their political thought. It over-rides EVERYTHING! This includes relationships.

Honestly...I have tried to figure it out...this crossing of the threshold. I can only conclude that many of these people really don't want to vote Romney in....they want to vote Obama out. The hate is intense and I honestly believe that it stems from some sort of racism.

It would be interesting to ask your brother if he agrees with the sign recently seen at a Tea Party rally that said..."Get the white back in the White House." He may very well disagree with the sign (not carry it himself)....but I believe he would not protest the content of the sign to the same level we here at DU would. This indicates a spectrum. Your brother would fall to the right of the spectrum and probably protest the sign...but not nearly with the disgust that we might.

Sorry...just rambling.

-Paige

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Response to WiffenPoof (Reply #37)

Tue Oct 30, 2012, 11:07 PM

42. Definitely racism.

The GOP makes ignorant bigots feel good about themselves. Obama shames them. Very simple.

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Response to liberal N proud (Original post)

Tue Oct 30, 2012, 08:10 PM

39. Your brother is an asshole.

 

Sorry to put it so bluntly, but there it is. You, and the rest of the family should ostracize him and let him know why in no uncertain terms. These fucking dickhead asshole Republicans think that they're so goddamned self-sufficient? Then let them work their way through their lives completely, utterly alone.

Maybe one day your brother will realize what an asshole he is/has been, but I wouldn't hold my breath...

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Response to liberal N proud (Original post)

Tue Oct 30, 2012, 08:22 PM

40. My brother is like that, too. He tries to bait me. You just can't fix stoopid. nt

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Response to liberal N proud (Original post)

Wed Oct 31, 2012, 12:16 AM

43. my sister too

I have almost the same scenario with my sister and 87 year-old mother. My sister called repeatedly and yelled at my mother about Obama--I intervened and now my sister is not speaking to mom or me. My family has always been democratic and my sister was too---she was a Hillary supporter---I really cannot for the life of me explain this. We grew up in a very liberal, non-racist family. But I have to believe my sister has become a racist -- there is really no other explanation that makes sense --she now spouts fox "news" "facts" and is very bitter, angry and irrational. I really think that it is brainwashing and my sister was susceptible to these nefarious tactics for some reason that I cannot even begin to fathom. I feel fear when I know she will be around and am just glad she lives out of state--it would be miserable to perchance meet her in a store or at a family gathering. I wish there was a solution but maybe there isn't a real solution except avoidance.

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