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reusrename

(1,716 posts)
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 09:37 PM Oct 2012

Is my tinfoil wrapped too tight?

I just used the google to try and find the UK piece linked to by DailyKos, NSA Analyst Proves GOP Is Stealing Elections. I only got 7 hits for “vote flipping” when searching the news.



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My hair started standing on end.

Note that one of the links is to the article by Mike Collins from several days ago.

At one time we were hoping that some larger news outlets would report on this story. Instead, they seem to be purging the interwebs somehow.

Since I’ve been writing this post, the link to the Tuscon Citizen has been pulled down.




Are we ready, from a legal and tactical standpoint, for a response to races being flipped in this election? All of the signs show that they are moving forward with this project to steal races by vote flipping. I honestly don’t think they can get away with it, since they will be caught red-handed this time, as soon as the precint counts come in. Anyone who uses Xcel will be able to check for themselves.

I am not panicking, far from it, but I do think there should be plan in place to respond to this.

I am not a lawyer, but I do believe that any races that are stolen using this technique should be challenged in court.

I also believe that if the courts refuse to correct these vote counts back to their original totals, then the courts should be challenged in the House and Senate.




The battleground is set and dawn is breaking. We must have unity on this in order to win, regardless of what path we take. The side with the most unity will be seen as the strongest, and will be followed. We should shun any of our leadeship who is not with us on this. They will be the ones who will do us, and the world, the most damage by making us look incoherant.

That is all.

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Is my tinfoil wrapped too tight? (Original Post) reusrename Oct 2012 OP
Oh they have been and are trying to do it again. bkkyosemite Oct 2012 #1
This is a different specific issue. reusrename Oct 2012 #5
there are a ton of people who agree with you here quinnox Oct 2012 #2
I won't immediately cry conspiracy... reusrename Oct 2012 #6
If The Senate Flips To Repugs & They Maintain The House - I Don't Think You'll See A Challenge In... global1 Oct 2012 #3
They will do what the people tell them to do. reusrename Oct 2012 #7
I think your google broke. Curmudgeoness Oct 2012 #4
Did you search "google NEWS" reusrename Oct 2012 #8
I did not. I see what you mean, Curmudgeoness Oct 2012 #12
When you put "vote flipping" with the quote marks then it treats it as one complete search term. reusrename Oct 2012 #23
I did a regular Google search & got lots of articles & videos discussing it. It may not have been a Honeycombe8 Oct 2012 #16
There have been many news articles on "vote flipping" over the years. reusrename Oct 2012 #24
Personally I think they have in the program of the EV machines madokie Oct 2012 #9
We can know the actual, un-flipped, vote count with mathematical precision and accuracy. reusrename Oct 2012 #10
I don't doubt that it can be proven madokie Oct 2012 #18
Here's the image from the paper telling how to do this. reusrename Oct 2012 #20
You can't prove to half the American public the Earth is more than 6,000 years old Fumesucker Oct 2012 #28
You're right about that. reusrename Oct 2012 #30
Sure we can... nebenaube Oct 2012 #19
This should at least get a judge to order a look at it. reusrename Oct 2012 #21
You'd think madokie Oct 2012 #22
Here's a rec... Media Lies Oct 2012 #11
Thanks for the rec, reusrename Oct 2012 #14
Brad Friedman is the election fraud guru. Here are some of his stories. valerief Oct 2012 #13
See, here's exactly what I'm talking about. reusrename Oct 2012 #15
It's true. Truth is swept from the internet regularly. nt valerief Oct 2012 #17
Anytime you hear a race is neck and neck or 50/50 brace yourself for flipping. They have live love laugh Oct 2012 #25
I think that's how they make it seem more legit. reusrename Oct 2012 #26
Yes nt RomneyLies Oct 2012 #27
Well Anonymous said he was watching Red Rover. lonestarnot Oct 2012 #29

bkkyosemite

(5,792 posts)
1. Oh they have been and are trying to do it again.
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 09:41 PM
Oct 2012

Broward County At It Again....
"An analysis of the unofficial totals by early voting location on the Broward Supervisor of Elections website from Saturday, compared to the tallies posted on Sunday, shows that in one location, the E. Pat Larkins Community Center, located on Martin Luther King Blvd. in Pompano Beach, the revised totals showed 1,003 fewer votes. The initial tally reported from the polling place in the heavily black neighborhood showed 2,945 votes, but the revised tally was 1,401. Across the 17 Broward polling locations, 15 saw their vote totals revised, mostly by minute amounts of between 1 and 7 votes. But the three more significant changes, including the addition of 398 votes in Tamarac (a racially mixed community) and adding 99 votes to the totals from Pompano Beach City Hall, whose demographic is majority white.

The revisions mean that 536 fewer total votes were reported in Broward — a reduction from 28,330 votes to 27,794 votes. That could be significant in a close election in a state where the presidential contest was decided by just 538 votes in 2000."

LOOK AT THE CHART

http://thegrio.com/2012/10/29/florida-early-vote-totals-revised-raising-questions/#13515610197481&235px

 

reusrename

(1,716 posts)
5. This is a different specific issue.
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 09:47 PM
Oct 2012

Vote spoilage, or missing votes, is how they stole 2000. There is a completely different legal response to that.

Electronic vote flipping, as far as I know, has never been caught-in-the-act before.

This will be new legal (and political) ground.

We have to make sure we don't confuse things.

Vote flipping is not spoilage.

 

quinnox

(20,600 posts)
2. there are a ton of people who agree with you here
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 09:42 PM
Oct 2012

I think I might be the only one on DU not ready to immediately cry "conspiracy!" if we lose.

 

reusrename

(1,716 posts)
6. I won't immediately cry conspiracy...
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 09:49 PM
Oct 2012

but I will run our returns through Xcel and look to see if they flipped any votes.

That's for sure.



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global1

(25,246 posts)
3. If The Senate Flips To Repugs & They Maintain The House - I Don't Think You'll See A Challenge In...
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 09:43 PM
Oct 2012

either.

 

reusrename

(1,716 posts)
7. They will do what the people tell them to do.
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 09:52 PM
Oct 2012

I don't think the rest of the world is going to sit silently by while they try and take this forward.

It will be known as soon as results come in whether or not they flipped any votes.

This has never happened before, nor anything like it, that I know of.

Curmudgeoness

(18,219 posts)
4. I think your google broke.
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 09:47 PM
Oct 2012

I just also did a search for vote flipping and got 11,000,000 results. I only looked at the first 3 pages, but they were all articles on "vote flipping".....no "flipping out over my vote" sort of thing.

Curmudgeoness

(18,219 posts)
12. I did not. I see what you mean,
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 10:01 PM
Oct 2012

although I still have a lot more that 7 results, even if I remove the "flipping a coin to vote" types.

 

reusrename

(1,716 posts)
23. When you put "vote flipping" with the quote marks then it treats it as one complete search term.
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 11:23 PM
Oct 2012

I was searching for particular results on this specific subject.

They are pulling all of the articles on this subject now. They were there before. I read many of them. And, even the ones that are still up, like the UK one mentioned in the OP, do not appear in the "google news" search.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
16. I did a regular Google search & got lots of articles & videos discussing it. It may not have been a
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 10:32 PM
Oct 2012

"news article" that was done by that Michael guy. It may have been a research paper or something that was released.

 

reusrename

(1,716 posts)
24. There have been many news articles on "vote flipping" over the years.
Tue Oct 30, 2012, 07:39 AM
Oct 2012

Clint Curtis testified before John Conyer's committee about "vote flipping" software.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1970820


This made the news.

madokie

(51,076 posts)
9. Personally I think they have in the program of the EV machines
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 09:55 PM
Oct 2012

that when the Democratic party vote gets above the republicon party vote to flip a few of the next few counted votes. No way could we check it. If that or something like it is happening and they steal this election there will be nothing that we can ever do as we'll have lost our democracy. Its not important who votes, its important who counts those votes. Never forget that.

The main stream media has been feeding us this narrative that the rMoney camp is kicking ass even when we can see and hear for ourselves that President Obama is in the lead, except of course for the pukes and the M$M that is

 

reusrename

(1,716 posts)
10. We can know the actual, un-flipped, vote count with mathematical precision and accuracy.
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 09:59 PM
Oct 2012

The particular technique that is being used to flip votes leaves leaves a specific linear slope as an artifact in the vote counts. It is a very straightforward routine to calculate what this slope is, then reverse the formula to restore the original data. This can be done with 100% accuracy and to within a precision (margin of error) that can also be easily determined.

They show how to do this in Figure 7, Page 9, of the September 2012 PDF below.


Evidence of Algorithm Vote Flipping in GOP Primary Elections Layman's Executive Summary

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0ByJAC-sfXwumZzI2bVlON2VTMnFyYVZZSnpDYnNyQQ/edit?pli=1



Significant Evidence of Algorithmic Vote Flipping in the 2012 GOP Primary

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0ByJAC-sfXwumdkE4d0Y2eWtURTZ2eDM5RmlLc3ZhQQ/edit?pli=1



Republican Primary Election 2012 Results: Amazing Statistical Anomalies August 13, 2012

http://www.themoneyparty.org/main/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Republican-Primary-Election-Results-Amazing-Statistical-Anomalies_V2.0.pdf



2008/2012 Election Anomalies, Results, Analysis and Concerns September 2012

http://www.themoneyparty.org/main/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/2008_2012_ElectionsResultsAnomaliesAndAnalysis_V1.51.pdf

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
28. You can't prove to half the American public the Earth is more than 6,000 years old
Tue Oct 30, 2012, 10:33 AM
Oct 2012

Good luck proving to them their candidate didn't win.

 

reusrename

(1,716 posts)
30. You're right about that.
Tue Oct 30, 2012, 11:40 AM
Oct 2012

When teachers start showing 10th graders how to do this math, it will change things here.

In the mean time, the world is watching.

 

reusrename

(1,716 posts)
21. This should at least get a judge to order a look at it.
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 10:53 PM
Oct 2012

The source code is key.

As long as all the machines in the county are running identical code, then it is impossible to keep this particular hack from being completely obvious just by looking at the official vote counts.

 

reusrename

(1,716 posts)
15. See, here's exactly what I'm talking about.
Mon Oct 29, 2012, 10:28 PM
Oct 2012

The Google has purged "vote flipping" from its news searches.


Here's bradblog coming up under a "google news" search:


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Now, look in the OP, there is nothing for bradblog when you search "google news" for "vote flipping"

live love laugh

(13,104 posts)
25. Anytime you hear a race is neck and neck or 50/50 brace yourself for flipping. They have
Tue Oct 30, 2012, 07:43 AM
Oct 2012

raised Romney to a level where it is now believable for him to steal the election. Don't assume Obama will prevail (win yes--prevail no).

 

reusrename

(1,716 posts)
26. I think that's how they make it seem more legit.
Tue Oct 30, 2012, 10:26 AM
Oct 2012

They have their own polling outfits now,in order to skew the public expectations.

I suspect the Elizabeth Warren/Scott Brown race will be flipped. They are playing the expectation game there.

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