Holy crap! An insurance salesman just knocked on my door calling Obama a "bald faced fucking liar"

[LaydeeBug]

Last edited Fri Oct 26, 2012, 02:05 PM - Edit history (1)

I am FURIOUS!! I am FUMING!! I told him we're not doing business with him. He told me I "must be on the government dole" that Mitt Romney 'won't release his taxes because the democrats are trying to do something'. He said ROMNEY RELEASED HIS COLLEGE RECORDS. I said, "no, he didn't". But the thing that gets me is that I didn't even walk outside until I heard him say, in an insurance sales pitch, mind you, that "Obama was a bald faced fucking liar"

Holy shit! Seriously.


On edit: I wanted to add a comment I posted here, because it might clear some questions up, I am still shaken. Here is the address of the form Dad filled out

INFORMATION PROCESSING CENTER
P.O. BOX 33
LAGRANGE NC 28551-9900

Dad filled out a form, a little green tear off at the bottom form saying he was interested in a final expense life insurance policy since they were closing his plant down and he was losing his life insurance policy (small). After he did this, the door knocking started. About five or six, before this last one, the rightie. So here is the text on the little green tear off:

Dear Laydeebug's elderly Father,

We are proud to announce a Senior Final Expense Program to help pay what Social Security does not pay for your final expense. At present Social Security only pays $255. This Senior Plan will pay 100% of all funeral expenses not paid by Social Security, up to $15,000 for each Senior Citizen covered. To see if you qualify, mail this postage card today. You will not be charged for this information! This is a "FREE" service to you.
Check Benefit Requested: $3,000 $5,000 $7,000 $10,000 $15,000

[renate]

1. he's not a very good salesman

[snagglepuss]

56. lol

[quinnox]

2. I find this hard to believe, to be honest

[LaydeeBug]

7. I find it hard to believe too, but it just happened. He seriously knocked on my door

trying to sell life insurance, asking if we had money set aside for burial, and saying that Obama is a blad faced fucking liar.

That's when I went outside and asked what did he lie about? Name ONE thing he's lied about.

He said his college records. I asked where Mitt's college records were. He said he released them. I said, "No he didn't". He told me I must be on the gov't dole and that's why I want Obama.

I couldn't fucking believe it.

It was unreal.

[JaneyVee]

47. They're all insane.

[dawg]

55. I don't.

I live in Georgia and this shit happens all the time.

[LaydeeBug]

63. Thank you dawg. Sometimes bullying takes a most insidious form. nt

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

3. That's a great way to sell your product...

I've never heard of a door-to-door insurance salesman. What kind of insurance was he selling, and what company? Or did he start his pitch by being an asshole so you were never able to find out?

[southernyankeebelle]

5. well I would call his supervisor and ask them if they want a man like that selling their insurance?

[LaydeeBug]

14. My elderly father is on worker's comp, and his plant shut down...

he signed some "I want more info" on insurance thing at his work and we've had like five or six guys knock on the door since, all with a copy of what he clearly filled out because it's his writing.

I am furious. Dad gave him back his card. I wished he would have kept it. I would have named names.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

23. I guess they must be going door-to-door now

because so many people have caller ID and don't answer their phones for sales calls. Your dad was probably just expecting them to send some info in the mail.

I don't think that guy will last long in sales. No matter what you're selling you need to keep your opinions about politics and religion to yourself if you are marketing to the general public.

[msanthrope]

87. Very common south of the Mason-Dixon. There's a whole history of insurance

policies and their use in the AA communities of the South.

[ejpoeta]

88. We've had insurance people come to our house in WNY. always

combined life. but no one has ever made political comments or anything other than the insurance info.

[BlueCaliDem]

4. I would have loved to get his name and number and report

him to his superiors. He's not representing the insurance company in a good way. I'm sure his bosses would LOVE to talk to him about his door-to-door people skills.

[blazeKing]

15. His superiors will probably give him a raise

Probably told the guy he'd be fired if Obama is elected

[LaydeeBug]

22. Oh, I can't believe it, I know he said for my Dad to look at the info

and I thought, GOOD! I'll call the insurance commissioner, but Dad was walking around to the shed, and he told the guy he wouldn't need his info, he won't be doing business with him.

Wow! I am really pissed.

Like, really, really, really, pissed. He even said that "it doesn't matter in the state of Maryland anyway". I called from my window that we'd be voting anyway, and have a nice day. (rudely)

[russspeakeasy]

6. seriously ?

[HappyMe]

8. Um...what?

That seems...kind of not believable.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

9. Not nearly enough detail here...

What insurance company?

What preceded his comments? Was he responding to an Obama sign in your yard or what?

What was the supposed lie that makes "Obama was a bald faced fucking liar"?

[LaydeeBug]

17. I don't know what insurance company, see post 14

but he was driving the EXACT same car that the last two or three were driving.

dark blue compact, maybe a kia, but it's the same one, or one exactly like it.

[liberal N proud]

10. He must not have wanted to sell anything

I mean really, you don't piss off your potential customer.

Call his parent company and complain!

[Fresh_Start]

11. call his company and report him

maybe they will care, maybe they won't.
but if it makes him worry about being more cautious, its a win

[WinkyDink]

12. What company? (My Rep. friend tried to give me that "Romney...college records" crap, too. She knew

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better than to challenge my knowledge of current events, after I told her that he most certainly did not. )

[LaydeeBug]

43. This slip doesn't say, but he did hand Dad what Dad filled out at work...

the others had copies, but he had the real thing, because I am holding it now. No card attached, but considering the other guys who knocked had copies of this card, I am thinking we GOT the boss man knocking.


I can't tell what this outfit is...

[progressivebydesign]

57. Have your Dad ask around, as other people at work probably filled it out, too.

You can track those jerks down... I totally believe you, btw. Sounds like your Dad said something and that guy went off on a tangent. I have a feeling they will be back...

My Mom is being hounded by phone right now, for Medicare supplements.. it's horrific.

[KansDem]

13. Ask him if he has health and medical insurance plans...

He: Why, I sure do! How much would you like?
You: It's not for me

[LaydeeBug]

30. that's about how I feel right now...are you fucking KIDDING me?

He seriously called him a bald faced liar MORE THAN ONCE, and told me I must be on gov't assistance.

I've never been on unemployment or welfare a single day in my life, so they have REALLY misidentified their enemy.

Holy fucking fuck!!! I can't believe that happened so quickly, here in the BLUE BASTION OF MARYLAND NO LESS!!!! I know better than not to get his name. I can't believe Dad gave his stuff back to him.

[WinkyDink]

34. Just how long did you speak with this deranged man?

[LaydeeBug]

41. The whole deal was probably between five to seven minutes at most. nt

[Bluenorthwest]

92. File a complaint

http://www.mdinsurance.state.md.us/sa/consumer/index.html

[truebluegreen]

60. And ask him if he has life insurance! n/t

[Whovian]

16. They are nuts

and getting nuttier. Of course, every tea party needs fruitcakes and nuts though.

[C_U_L8R]

18. WIth skills like that...

that jerk is going to be living on welfare in no time

[stillcool]

19. Insurance salesman..

who knocks on doors? I thought they went out with the milkman. Do you live in Mayberry?

[LaydeeBug]

26. Nope. But we've had LOTS knocking. nt

[Arugula Latte]

20. Do you know why he brought up Obama? Do you have a sign out or something?

[LaydeeBug]

24. Yes, we have a sign. We are on a pretty busy side street. But Dad always tells people, "God Bless

the wisdom of George W. Bush" and that's when the guy saw his "in", I guess.

I am shaking right now. I am not kidding. I am shaking.

[Bucky]

28. You can work off that nervous energy by volunteering at the local Obama phone bank

[LaydeeBug]

42. seriously. I am now past hugely pissed off and into the shock of it...

just like, WOW!! did that happen?

[Arugula Latte]

29. Jesus. Worst salesman ever. Basically: "Fuck you. Now buy some insurance from me."

[OldDem2012]

21. Did you get a card from the guy? If so, report him to his local office, and to....

...his regional/national office, and to your state government agency who overseas insurance companies.

If he didn't identify himself at all, then you nay have a different problem entirely.

[LaydeeBug]

25. Dad gave his stuff back to him...he filled out something saying he wanted

some life insurance, and ever since, six or seven guys have knocked on the door inquiring.

We just thought this was one of them.Oh, I can't *believe* I don't have his name.

Oh I am pissed.

[Bucky]

27. Would that be the Dale Carnegie technique?

[leftynyc]

31. You need to call the insurance company

and report him. I'm guessing they wont be too happy with him putting politics over their product.

[LaydeeBug]

54. I feel kinda violated. This man knows where I LIVE...

maybe he thought he was gonna change our mind? It honestly seemed to me that he uses "ObamaCare" as an impetus to scare people into buying insurance.

I can't be positive, because it devolved pretty quickly.

[gollygee]

32. Not a very good sales technique

I've never had an insurance salesman knock on my door. I've had door-to-door stuff, but usually magazines or cleaning products.

[WinkyDink]

36. I have, but about 20 years ago. I couldn't believe my husband just let this stranger into our house!

[kstewart33]

33. Geez Louise, that guy sure knows how to make a sale!

Or not.

[discopants]

35. Drives around all day listening to Rush

and Boortz and Hannity and all the other blowhards.
This gives Mr. Insurance Salesman the balls to think he's the one that's totally informed.

[LaydeeBug]

39. I am just stunned that this happened. here. nt

[mick063]

37. I would call 911

say there is a strange man scaring the crap out of you


Then spray a heavy dose of pepper spray in his face.

[LaydeeBug]

38. Ok so he did hand Dad what he filled out...

and it goes back to

INFORMATION PROCESSING CENTER
P.O. BOX 33
LAGRANGE NC 28551-9900

[beac]

46. This is what comes up as top link in a Google search for "INFORMATION PROCESSING CENTER LAGRANGE NC"

http://www.bbb.org/raleigh-durham/business-reviews/insurance-companies/sauls-insurance-agency-in-la-grange-nc-

Call them. Calmly ask if they have an agent in your area today. If so, THEN (again, as calmly as you can) explain what happened.

You want to confirm that their agent was there so they cannot deny once you start into your story.

[Iggo]

40. Call his boss.

[LaydeeBug]

44. HERE IS THE ADDRESS THIS GOES BACK TO...AND THE TEXT OF THE HANDOUT...

INFORMATION PROCESSING CENTER
P.O. BOX 33
LAGRANGE NC 28551-9900

Dad filled out a form, a little green tear off at the bottom form saying he was interested in a final expense life insurance policy since they were closing his plant down and he was losing his life insurance policy (small). After he did this, the door knocking started. About five or six, before this last one, the rightie. So here is the text on the little green tear off:

Dear Laydeebug's elderly Father,

We are proud to announce a Senior Final Expense Program to help pay what Social Security does not pay for your final expense. At present Social Security only pays $255. This Senior Plan will pay 100% of all funeral expenses not paid by Social Security, up to $15,000 for each Senior Citizen covered. To see if you qualify, mail this postage card today. You will not be charged for this information! This is a "FREE" service to you.
Check Benefit Requested: [ ] $3,000 [ ] $5,000 [ ] $7,000 [ ] $10,000 [ ] $15,000

[beac]

50. Note that in the second BBB complaint from the link above it mentions

"Information Processing Center" so I think that is indeed the right company.

Sauls Insurance Agency, Inc.
Phone: [phone]

[LaydeeBug]

51. You give some awesome advice, and *thank you* for it.

I am going to center myself, have a cup of tea, calm down, and make the call. I'm giving me 45 minutes to center. I'm waiting for some delivery, because I don't want to be interrupted, and then it's go time.

Just. trying. to. calm. down.

[beac]

53. Glad to help.

I can get pretty wound up myself if I don't take a deep breath first, so I am really just telling you what I would tell myself.

Sometimes I write down what I want to say so that I don't get flustered or off track. If you start with "I have something I'd like to read you, is that okay?" most will say yes and they are less likely to interupt you.

Good luck and let us know how it goes.

[LaydeeBug]

64. There office hours are from 8:30 am to noon on Friday...

So I am calling first thing Monday morning

Now I am just exhausted, but I forgot to update this thread when I called earlier.

[renie408]

45. Who uses the F-bomb in a sales pitch?

[LaydeeBug]

48. I KNOW!!! And he said it TWICE before I went outside...TWICE

"Obama is a bald faced fucking liar". His EXACT words.

[sinkingfeeling]

49. DO NOT let your father fall for that. Get a known insurance company to write a small

policy. Anybody whose pushing a 'Final expense program' and doesn't list the company's name, but that of a processing center, cannot be trusted. I smell a scam.

[GeorgeGist]

58. Ahem ...

[LaydeeBug]

75. That's quite a cough you got there...

too bad it didn't HELP. any.

Carry on

[progressivebydesign]

59. I found something on google that might help, LaydeeBug. going to Private message you right now

Found a company in Lagrange, NC that has an alternate biz name of "Information Processing Center"

[LaydeeBug]

74. thank you for that, sweets. If you call that number, they close early on Fridays

so I got nowhere. But I will.

[grantcart]

61. Final Expense insurance is not a very good buy IMO.

In any case get the man's name and write a complaint to your state insurance commissioner.

The company is unlikely to care much if he is a good producer.

If he has a history of problems for other reasons the complaint to the State Ins Commissioner is the best route.

[LaydeeBug]

84. I doubt they will give me his name, but I will try Monday morning...

I have this one little form and I will be reporting to the Insurance commissioner off of that, for sure.

There really seems to be an "It's ok if you're Republican" swagger. I *promise* this guy said it TWICE before I even showed my face. It was the WAY he said it...like it's common knowledge. Like it's a "given". I am even tempted to think this is part of his sales pitch.

Right now, as I play the 'shoulda coulda woulda' game, I really wished I would have snapped his photo and gotten his name. I wished I would have given him enough rope to REALLY ensnare himself. I may have confronted him too soon. While I began typing this original OP, he was still in my driveway. I wish I would have snapped a photo. It all happened in less than ten minutes...the whole thing.

[grantcart]

93. If there is a next time ask for an insurance card. By law insurance agents must have one

and it has to have their license number on it.

[LaydeeBug]

94. is this a Maryland law?

I certainly hope it is.

[Cha]

62. I can imagine how Pissed and even traumatized you

were, LaydeeBug! I get shaken up and pissed when I happen to read Lies on the net. Really Upset! And, to have someone come to your house and regurgitate f****** limbaugh, donald ass trump Lies would be too much.

I would be yelling back in his face like he was.

You need a cyber hug

[LaydeeBug]

76. thank you very much Cha...

I am still a little bit in shock over this. I promise on my Grandmother's grave, that man, unsolicited by me, called the President a 'fucking liar" TWICE before I even said one word.

[Media Lies]

65. Did you buy his insurance? that is an interesting sales strategy...

He probably watches too much Fox TV. They keep repeating the same lie about Libya over and over, which represents an old propaganda tactic. When Republicans hear anything that disrupts their delusion, they turn on Fox to reinforce their fantasy.

[LaydeeBug]

86. He tried the hard sell at the end, "I don't want to waste anymore time, this is good insurance"

as if we were doing business with him.

OMG!!!

[jsr]

66. He's trying to win the worst salesman award

He must have read the wrong book - "How to piss off people and alienate customers".

[DefenseLawyer]

67. Put that coffee down!

Coffee is for closers only!

[JI7]

68. i'm guessing Democrats are more likely to challenge what he is selling

he probably finds it easier to sell to republicans.

[Skidmore]

69. Contact corporate and let them

know why they will be losing your business now and regardless of the election outcome. Let them know that you are sharing your disgust publicly and you will not be pressured by bully tactics. Wonder if the company is one which took Romney's advice on pushing employees.

[LaydeeBug]

85. I will be doing that Monday morning.

I've already done it with Facebook.

[aletier_v]

70. Why did that paragraph remind me of Logan's Run?

[wilsonbooks]

71. Funeral insurance is a long time scam that targets the poor

and the elderly. I doubt that the company will give a rats ass about their salesman's behavior.

[LaydeeBug]

79. I was even glad that we had the form we had (Dad said he handed it to me in the middle of it)

I don't remember, but that was the form, and I've typed what it said.

[cali]

72. You recount one fantastic story after another in this vein.

[LaydeeBug]

77. and you contribute your CONCERNS accordingly

[VenusRising]

73. I am so sorry that happened to you.

I hope you get in touch with them on Monday.

Just use it as an incentive to get as many people out to vote Obama as possible.

Hang in there.

[LaydeeBug]

81. Thank you VenusRising

I am in the very blue state of Maryland, and I really couldn't believe this happened. After it happened, I was more upset than while it was happening.

[Turbineguy]

78. That's sort of strange

under the Romney/Ryan health care plan Insurance companies will be paying out those final expense claims a lot sooner. This guy doesn't seem to know how insurance works.

[LaydeeBug]

83. It was the second time in a month that a rightie accused me of 'being on the gov't dole'

so I imagine this is one of their talking points.

[RKP5637]

80. Maybe he wasn't selling insurance at all, but a way to get directly to people so as to

knock Obama for a vote for Romney. These political operatives do some really strange things, and by what insurance they were offering it would give them a direct link to seniors ... to try to steer their vote toward Romney.

[LaydeeBug]

82. It's funny you should say that, because I called the company out on FB

and that's just what one of my friends said to me. "Oh bullshit that was an insurance salesman. That was an operative" I just don't think we're that important. lol

[WinkyDink]

89. Sauls Insurance BBB page:

http://www.bbb.org/raleigh-durham/business-reviews/insurance-companies/sauls-insurance-agency-in-la-grange-nc-19621/complaints#breakdown

[littlemissmartypants]

90. 01/21/2010 Advertising / Sales Issues | Read Complaint Details

Additional Notes
Complaint Category: None of the Above - Advertising Complaint Issue

Complaint: The card asks for dates of birth, I see this as an Identity Theft Issue or Fraud. There is also no direct contact information, only a PO Box.
This card was given to me by elderly male who received it in the mail from your company. He was concerned that it was a fraud or scam. I am an Elder Service Officer assigned a Senior Center. In addition to the 2 other complaints already received on this company, I have a big problem with asking for the date of birth for the person it was mailed to and for that person's spouse. This information could be used to commit Identity Theft or a scam. I do not think it is necessary for the company to ask for this information. It is obvious that they already know this person is a senior, otherwise they would not have sent this info to them in the first place. Also, there is no phone number, street address, or website information which makes this card seem fraudulent. As a Police Officer with additional training as an Elder Service Officer, not having this contact information usually are clear signs that it is a scam.

Business Response

The advertisement is not a scam, it is for life insurance. Listing the DOB is optional, however it assists us in preparing accurate rate quotes. We are researching different methods of gathering this information in a more private manor. We are also putting together ideas for a web address. This takes time and a considerable amount of resources for our small business to cover.
I hope this helps and thank you for your concern.

Complaint Resolution: Company addressed the complaint issues. The consumer failed to acknowledge acceptance to BBB.

http://www.bbb.org/raleigh-durham/business-reviews/insurance-companies/sauls-insurance-agency-in-la-grange-nc-19621/complaints

[littlemissmartypants]

91. 11/04/2009 Advertising / Sales Issues | Read Complaint Details

11/04/2009 Advertising / Sales Issues | Read Complaint Details
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Additional Notes
Complaint Category: Advertisement misrepresented a service

Complaint: The company uses envelope and card that appears to be from the government. Misleads the customer, who is unfamiliar with these types of advertising.
This document was received by my mother, who is elderly, on Monday, October 19, 2009. She gave it to me, stating that she was not sure what it was about, but that it "was from the government." I looked it over and was angered by such a misleading advertising, using an envelope that is normally used by the government and using the term "GOVERNMENT", "Social Security", "REGISTERED DOCUMENT", and "DO NOT DISCARD: Important Information about your government benefits*". I am still trying to figure out what the asterisk at the end of the words "benefits*" is referring to. The indication of that this is not a government agency is written in very small print at the very bottom of the card. My concern is that unsuspecting senior citizens are being misled by this company's use of materials and the presentation of the service they are sneakily providing. If it was able to mislead my mother, it will surely mislead other seniors, unknowingly, who do not have another family member to look over misleading advertising such as this. I am angered that this company would use the elderly as a target market for such advertising practices. They apparently did their research into how to mislead seniors by using envelopes that appear to be from the government. Information Processing Center was sure thinking of the most effective way to get a senior citizen to open and reply. I am very angered and saddened as to how many seniors will be responding, believing that this was sent by the government.

Business Response
It is not our objective to deceive anyone with our advertising. We also did not create this envelope/advertisement to take advantage of our nations financial status or the federal governments involvement. We have used the same ad/envelope for many years and have been able to assist thousands of clients in obtaining the valuable insurance protection they needed. If your mother had responded she would have been informed about specific products available to her and what it would cost. I welcome any suggestions you may have that will help us reach the individuals who need our services.


Complaint Resolution: Company addressed the complaint issues. The consumer failed to acknowledge acceptance to BBB.

http://www.bbb.org/raleigh-durham/business-reviews/insurance-companies/sauls-insurance-agency-in-la-grange-nc-19621/complaints

[99Forever]

95. Ummm...

... your episode leaves me with just one thought:

WTF?




I can't even figure out who would hope to benefit from this sort of behavior.

Bizarre.