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Wed Oct 24, 2012, 07:15 PM

Why is there not much talk on national homelessness and global warming in this election?

I do wish there was more talk on how to help with homelessness. Making new jobs is great, I all for it, but how do we help people get those jobs if they live on the street? Employers do have this thing about employees having addresses and look nice.

And what about taking care of the environment? I do hear about clean energy but not much more. What's up with that? Has the skeptics won?

I am well in Obama's corner, but I do wish there was some talk on these issues.

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Reply Why is there not much talk on national homelessness and global warming in this election? (Original post)
Lady Freedom Returns Oct 2012 OP
GreenPartyVoter Oct 2012 #1
Lady Freedom Returns Oct 2012 #3
porphyrian Oct 2012 #2
Lady Freedom Returns Oct 2012 #7
TreasonousBastard Oct 2012 #4
Lady Freedom Returns Oct 2012 #5
NoOneMan Oct 2012 #12
deaniac21 Oct 2012 #6
Lady Freedom Returns Oct 2012 #9
Teamster Jeff Oct 2012 #8
hatrack Oct 2012 #30
NoOneMan Oct 2012 #10
BarackTheVote Oct 2012 #11
Lady Freedom Returns Oct 2012 #16
jimlup Oct 2012 #13
rustydog Oct 2012 #14
Lady Freedom Returns Oct 2012 #15
JI7 Oct 2012 #17
Lady Freedom Returns Oct 2012 #18
JI7 Oct 2012 #19
Lady Freedom Returns Oct 2012 #20
JI7 Oct 2012 #21
Lady Freedom Returns Oct 2012 #22
libdem4life Oct 2012 #23
Lady Freedom Returns Oct 2012 #24
libdem4life Oct 2012 #25
.99center Oct 2012 #26
Lady Freedom Returns Oct 2012 #27
woo me with science Oct 2012 #28
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Response to Lady Freedom Returns (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 07:19 PM

1. Agreed. The silence was deafening on both counts.

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Response to GreenPartyVoter (Reply #1)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 07:28 PM

3. And I find that odd.

With the numbers of people now living in their cars and motel rooms growing and with the reports about the acidity of the ocean rising, you would think somebody would say something.

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Response to Lady Freedom Returns (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 07:22 PM

2. Because it is a Machiavellian manipulation of the electorate, not a frank discussion of issues...

 

...that matter to you or I. Follow the money - it's going to advertising.

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Response to porphyrian (Reply #2)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 08:41 PM

7. Money is always why we can't see the forest for the trees.

John Q. Public has no idea how much they get played due to big money.

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Response to Lady Freedom Returns (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 07:33 PM

4. This election, those things don't get votes...

Global warming concerns are down to 18% of environmental concerns. Environmental concerns, not overall concerns. Romney is happy not to have to say it's all bullshit too many times, and Obama is happy to not to have to explain it.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/global-warming-no-longer-americans-top-environmental-concern-poll-finds/2012/07/02/gJQAs9IHJW_story.html

Homelessness? Sure it should be an issue, but until it hits the headlines neither one of them will talk about it. See above.


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Response to TreasonousBastard (Reply #4)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 08:38 PM

5. That is the biggest problem.

We are so "what about me" that we end up hurting ourselves. We can't seem to get understanding in the butterfly effect which comes down to what is going on in one place will, in time, effect us.

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Response to TreasonousBastard (Reply #4)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 08:56 PM

12. I wonder if people know that perhaps we can't have infinite jobs & growth while saving the globe

 

And since their pocket books are hurting, they stop caring about the environment (on almost a subconscious level) so they don't have to sort out the internal conflict. If we pretend there is no global warming while the ice caps melt, then its ok to demand our continued, mindless growth

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Response to Lady Freedom Returns (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 08:41 PM

6. Probably because of the economy.

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Response to deaniac21 (Reply #6)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 08:43 PM

9. And it is due to environment and homelessness that we are having economy issues.

When things effect food and workforce, you have problems with the economy.

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Response to Lady Freedom Returns (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 08:42 PM

8. No talk about global warming? This could have something to do with it.

NEW YORK (AP) - U.S. oil output is surging so fast that the United States could soon overtake Saudi Arabia as the world's biggest producer.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014276532

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Response to Teamster Jeff (Reply #8)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 11:39 PM

30. And if you can't trust an AP report quoting from uber-cornucopians CERA, who CAN you trust?

Granted, it could happen if radical Islamic revolutionaries overthrew the House of Saud, or if the Iranians lobbed a few dozen cruise missiles into the Ras Tanura refinery, but neither of those has much to do with long-term production trends . . .

US conventional oil production peaked 42 years ago.

Adding Prudhoe Bay to the output stream didn't change that.

And if Prudhoe at 2 million bpd back in 1989 (btw, it was down to 285,000 bpd all the way back in 2006), didn't change the overall US production curve, the Amazing Bakken Formation in North Dakota at +/- 550,000 bpd ain't going to change it either.

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Response to Lady Freedom Returns (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 08:45 PM

10. My main gripe is the avoidance of climate talk

 

These politicians are becoming absolutely irrelevant to the major issue of the 21 century: sustainable survival vs the 6th extinction. They are still caught in the 20th century paradigms, arguing of capitalism vs socialism for control of our infinite production, showing zero real leadership.

Any mention of 'clean energy' is mostly pandering at this point without any teeth. We need clean civilization, and one that doesn't need an infinite supply of energy for endless growth

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Response to Lady Freedom Returns (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 08:46 PM

11. Limbaugh solved the homeless problem

homeless kids, all you gots ta do is dumpster dive for food!

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Response to BarackTheVote (Reply #11)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 09:12 PM

16. That may work to feed Limbaugh as well as other types of street rats...

( ),but not for people.

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Response to Lady Freedom Returns (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 08:57 PM

13. I think that is kinda why we've called it an Inconvenient Truth

Neither side wants to make it an issue because it can only hurt them. I disagree with that strategy (for Obama.) But I understand it. Apparently it is similar to the reason that the AGW argument wasn't used by the Obama administration to argue against Keystone XL.

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Response to Lady Freedom Returns (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 08:59 PM

14. Wow, you know what, I haven't even thought of the homeless issue lately

I really haven't seen that many at work. Out of sight, out of mind?
Sad when you think winter is coming, cold, wet, no warm safe place to escape the cold, wet hunger.

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Response to rustydog (Reply #14)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 09:06 PM

15. I think about it a lot due to being homeless recently.

Being out in the cold with no address hurts your chances at getting work. As I said earlier, employers have a thing about employees having an address.

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Response to Lady Freedom Returns (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 09:15 PM

17. if Republicans don't believe in Global WArming howdo you debate it ?

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Response to JI7 (Reply #17)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 09:33 PM

18. Still does not explain not talking about the homeless.

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Response to Lady Freedom Returns (Reply #18)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 09:35 PM

19. what do you want people to say ?

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Response to JI7 (Reply #19)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 09:46 PM

20. I would like to see people looking at the issues and the reasons why, then start forming a plan...

that works to decrees the problem. Just making jobs don't help. People on the street don't have things/means to get to or keep jobs. Their are programs out there, however they are so outdated that they can't help much. We are in a time of paradox and need to start looking for answers before it gets worse.

I say paradox due to the fact that the face of the homeless are changing. They are not the old stereo type, there are people that have college educations out their. We have people out their that did everything the way we have always been told is the way you are supposed to do and be to be successful. Yet, it did not work. It is time to really look at this.

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Response to Lady Freedom Returns (Reply #20)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 09:49 PM

21. it comes down to Government funded programs and we know where republicans stand on these things

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Response to JI7 (Reply #21)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 09:59 PM

22. And that is why we need to vote for those that see the big picture.

This "Me,Me,ME," way is hurting everyone. It truly does come down to the butterfly effect. What people can't see is that if your fellow person down the street, in this case literally, is in pain, that means your pursuit of happiness in in danger.

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Response to Lady Freedom Returns (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 10:00 PM

23. These issues are too sophisticated for the "What have you done for me lately" Undecideds.

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Response to libdem4life (Reply #23)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 10:09 PM

24. And those type of people are the reason we are in the messes we are now!

It may have worked a long time ago to worry about yourself. Now however, we are all interconnected. What is hurting one is going to start to hurting you sooner or later if something is not done!

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Response to Lady Freedom Returns (Reply #24)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 10:34 PM

25. Perhaps...but you'll seldom find a homeless person serving a meal in a shelter or an

uninvolved renter marching in a protest because the heating bill went up or a person on hospice shopping for health insurance. That's why I'm a Democrat. A few years of my life were spent in the rural South and I taught in bilingual educational programs near two large urban inner cities.

Obama is right. You have to start early with food...shelter...basic health care...without which education of any kind is ineffective. And I believe that is why the newest demographic for the Democrats is the young, female, minority voter, probably with children. It's working...I think...just takes more than four years.

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Response to Lady Freedom Returns (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 10:42 PM

26. I highly recommend

Watching Frontline's Climate of Doubt found here http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/climate-of-doubt/ It lays out perfectly as to why climate change is being ignored by elected Democrats and moderate republicans. In short, you can thank the tea party and Americans for Prosperity for raising doubts among low info voters about climate change. It also contains a great interview with John Kerry. IMO, it will be another decade before politicians take on global warning again unless we have a major overhaul of our election process and get money out of the equation.
We will still have the major news networks interviewing any hack that claims its a big hoax while ignoring the scientific community. It's took 60 years for half of the country to even believe that it's a real thing, it will be 60 more for a general consensus, and by then well be in crisis mode.

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Response to .99center (Reply #26)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 10:47 PM

27. It was aired twice today and I saw it both times.

That is what got me to do this thread.

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Response to Lady Freedom Returns (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 11:00 PM

28. Or warrantless surveillance, indefinite detention, and the growing police state.


Or details on Social Security.

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Response to woo me with science (Reply #28)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 11:10 PM

29. And the list is growing.

Let's face it, the undecided are people that just care abut their own little world and have no clue what is going on. In that they are going to hurt us as well as themselves and don't even know it.

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