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GRAVIS MARKETING - BOMBSHELLS IN PICTURES - A THOROUGH LOOK AT DOUG KAPLAN AND HIS ASSOCIATES

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<grantcart comment.

Anybody who has even a passing familiarity with my work will already know that the graphics alone of this piece are way beyond my abililties, let alone the quality of reporting. This is provided by Gravis Working Group Contributor #2. Based on some of the information here, and other information we have withheld we have good reason to believe that reasonable precautions should be maintained to protect our contributors. Future contributors are likely to all appear under grantcart with a number attached.

Great care has been taken in checking all of the details of the post and we have people in the group with both legal and journalistic credentials who have tried to make sure that all of our posts meet high standards. We believe that this one does that.

One word of caution. We are not finding that there is a strong link between Kaplan and his known associates and the Republican Party, the conservative movement or politics in general. It may be that polling was only part of a wider scope of activities. We still have a great deal of material we are going through.

We do have a commitment from a statistician for a report Friday afternoon that will go into detail on the question of the polls themselves, although while we think it an important question, the real story is the group of people behind Gravis and the non political ends that they hoped to achieve. We can get a hint of what they were trying to achieve by looking at what they have been doing in the past.

Now for an excellent read by Contributor #2

end of comment by grantcart>


NB: If there are any inaccuracies in any of the material here, please let us know promptly and with sufficient proof, and we will make such corrections in a timely manner. We do not believe there are any inaccuracies in the material herein, and have made every effort to only report information we believe to be solidly and reliably sourced.

EXECUTIVE SUMMARY:

Ultimately, we believe that "Gravis Marketing" is the last of a long line of shady enterprises pursued by Doug Kaplan and a merry band of small-time hustlers, a band marked by the sketchy personal pasts of its individual members and a constant pursuit of the fast, and, almost invariably, dishonest buck.

We believe that the evidence below will amply illustrate the conjecture above.

NOW, ON TO THE STORY:

Gravis Marketing.

Who is "Gravis Marketing," or should we say what is "Gravis Marketing," the "polling" outfit that burst out of nowhere and suddenly started issuing polls in January of this year, an outfit that puts out so many swing state polls that they often are assigned significant weighting in Nate Silver's otherwise excellent "538 Blog."

Most relevantly, who is Doug Kaplan, the President of Gravis Marketing? The answer to that perhaps holds the key to the questions posed above. Doug Kaplan's twitter feed reveals the first clear picture of this mystery (https://twitter.com/dobied). How does a man go from discussing nothing but Casey Anthony and his rampant zionism (more on that in posts to follow) to suddenly touting a stream of polls that have turned Doug Kaplan and Gravis Marketing into one of the most influential suppliers of swing state polls in this crucial election?

We are still digging into the question of that transformation - but the answer to the question of "Who is Doug Kaplan" is both unsettling and fascinating and suggests that the media needs to do some serious digging into the roots, practices, and motivations behind the efforts of "Gravis Marketing."

Some of this material will duplicate elements covered in the last post on Doug Kaplan's previous life of travel scams, but this post will include screencaps that leave no doubt as to the connection between Kaplan and these shady companies, evidence of Kaplan's involvement in criminal and otherwise questionable activities, and association with other individuals who are no strangers to the law. Believe us when we tell you that we have much more information than you have seen published to this point or will see in this post - the story continues to develop, and each step further down the path seems to reveal a more sordid tableau.

WHO IS DOUG KAPLAN

Well, to answer this, we'll use his own words. Or we will try to.

On Doug Kaplan's personal page, DOUGKAPLAN.NET, he references time spent at Devry University.

But that's not the "educational" institution he references on his LinkedIn page, which you can see here:



American Intercontinental University. Put a * next to that. Because we'll include information about "American Intercontinental University" at the end of this post, but let us say that there is good reason to suspect that "American Intercontinental University" is no more than a diploma mill. A Federal Whistle-Blower lawsuit, by prominent members of the University staff alleged a massive fraud perpetrated by the school on federal grant programs, and a letter from an anonymous professor, published in the prestigious Chronicle of Higher Education, stated "if you can breathe and walk, you can get into the school." (article reproduced at: http://www.secinfo.com/dRSm6.v17q.htm)

Doug also mentions time spent studying advertising at Florida International University in the early 2000's. It is unclear what coursework he completed at that institution, but it seems notable that he was still pursuing a Bachelor of Arts at American InterContinental in 2008.

It's an unclear record. We suspect that Doug Kaplan would like to keep all aspects of his pre-Gravis life as vague as possible, because the man behind "Gravis Marketing" has a less than impressive past.

DOUG KAPLAN IN PICTURES

This is who we initially thought Doug Kaplan was when we first visited Gravis Marketing's website:

Not Doug Kaplan


Here is Doug Kaplan in 1998:

Yes, This Is Doug Kaplan


Here is Doug Kaplan in 2002:

Yes, This is Doug Kaplan


Here is a photo of "Transitional Doug":

Also Doug Kaplan


Note the address at the bottom of the last picture, which comes from Doug's personal site at DougKaplan.net: 1931 South Prairie Dunes in Oviedo, Florida. That address is going to link Doug to a shady marketing enterprise we will detail further below.

Continuing on with the evolution of Doug Kaplan, though, we give you "Almost New Doug":

Almost New


And last, we have "The New Doug Kaplan" a.k.a. "The Gravis Marketing Doug Kaplan":

Doug Kaplan, From His LinkedIn


There is a clue that these are all the same person, beyond the fact that all these people are named "Doug Kaplan" and they all live in the same part of Florida. As a working group member astutely pointed out, if you look at the center of his hairline, there is a notch, directly to the right of center, that is consistent in all the photos. It's the same person in every photo.

The 1998 photo is a mugshot from his arrest on March 27th, 1998 by the Lake Mary Police Department for a DUI. It doesn't look like he had two beers and forgot to eat dinner, mind you.

The 2002 photo is a mugshot from his arrest on January 29th, 2002 this time by the Oviedo Police Department, once again for a DUI.

ADDENDUM TO "DOUG KAPLAN IN PICTURES"

Lest anyone think that Doug Kaplan has kept his nose clean since 2002 (he hasn't, as you will see from the marketing scam screencaps from the mid to late-2000's), here is who Doug Kaplan associates with - in fact, here is his Senior Account Executive at Gravis Marketing, Alan Giardinieri -

First, looking dapper on his LinkedIn



Now, looking serial killer-ish


That second photo is from an arrest for Drug Possession by the Seminole County's Sheriff's Office, on October 27th of last year.

This is not the first time Doug and Alan have worked together. The "DK Advertising" Alan lists as a previous job on his LinkedIn probably stands for "Doug Kaplan Advertising," as the listed address for "DK Advertising" is... 1931 South Prairie Dunes in Oviedo, Florida.

As we will see, the same names pop up again and again in Kaplan's past, always tied to shady consumer scams and consistently marked by trouble with the law.


WHAT DOUG GOT UP TO PRE-GRAVIS

Doug Kaplan has a foreclosure problem.

Looking at the photos above, you won't be surprised to learn that Doug Kaplan was the subject of foreclosure actions both in 2001 and 2002.

2001 Foreclosure:



2002 Foreclosure:


The 2001 Foreclosure action ended in a judgment against Kaplan of more than $122,000 resulting in a lien to secure payment against Kaplan's property.

Doug's foreclosure problem is not just buried in the past, and may give us some clues as to what inspired him to make his daring break into the world of polling in January of this year.

Here is a record of foreclosure proceedings against him that spanned from 2011 to 2012:




Doug Kaplan has an IRS problem.

For that, though, you will need to go back to NorCen_CT's excellent post on the topic, although I will give you a numbers summary here, using NorCen_CT's information.

NorCen_CT's post: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021569031#post1

IRS Tax Liens, by Date:

5/15/00: $28,500 (rounded)
8/22/00: $270,000 (rounded) (NorCen thinks this reads $260,000, but we believe the 3rd digit to be a 9)
10/10/00: $7,500 (rounded)
2/14/03: $34,000 (rounded)
10/6/09: $28,000 (rounded)
12/22/09: $8,500 (rounded)

WHAT DOUG GOT UP TO PRE-GRAVIS: FOLLOWING DOUG KAPLAN (AND ASSOCIATES) THROUGH THE YEARS

Perhaps, above all else, Doug Kaplan appears to have an "associates with unsavory characters" and a "consumer scamming" problem.

This, also, has been covered in a previous post: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021570247

But we are going to use pictures in this thread, and build our case brick by brick.

ESTABLISHING THE CONNECTIONS

Recall that address, 1931 South Prairie Dunes in Oviedo, Florida. Doug Kaplan, himself, has tied Doug Kaplan to that address (via DougKaplan.net).

Recall the names, Elite Options and Florida Reservations. Doug Kaplan, again, has tied Doug Kaplan to these two businesses, as they are listed prominently on his own LinkedIn page.

Now we will tie him to Anthony Arrigoni, with a screencap from Junkfax.org**. Mind you that Junkfax.org is not some questionable site of questionable derivation. At the bottom of this post you will see that, as noted in a prior post, Junkfax.org was founded by Steve Kirsch, a wildly successful businessman and a noted philanthropist. Kirsch runs Junkfax.org as part of his pro-consumer crusade against junk faxes. Kirsch was the founder and chairman of Infoseek (sold to Disney for a healthy sum) and has BS and MS degrees in Electrical Engineering and Computer Science from MIT.

Junkfax.org = legitimate.

Here is a screencap from Junkfax.org, linking Doug Kaplan to Anthony Arrigoni, Jacob Wood (Wood is also the owner of Elite Options), and the business "Vacation Showroom" (and the subject of the junkfax.org webpage is Kaplan's own Florida Reservations).



Returning to 1931 South Prairie Dunes in Oviedo, Florida, let us examine all the businesses that www.corporationwiki.com attaches to that address. Take particular note of "I Marketing" and "DK Advertising."



Corporationwiki also directly ties Doug Kaplan to "I Marketing."



Now, there is one last connection we need to establish, and, once again, Doug Kaplan will do it for us.

Using Kaplan's "Talent.me" page, we can establish that Doug Kaplan was at Elite Options from January, 2005 to March 2009.


Okay, we're done.

Let's review what we've established:

1. That Doug Kaplan has ties to 1931 South Prairie Dunes in Oviedo, Florida (DougKaplan.net)
2. That Doug Kaplan has ties to Elite Options and Florida Reservations (DK's LinkedIn page, junkfax.org)
3. That Doug Kaplan has ties to Anthony Arigoni, Jacob Wood (Elite Options), and "Vacation Showrooms" (junkfax.org)
4. That Doug Kaplan has ties to the businesses "I Marketing," and "DK Advertising" (corporationwiki.com)
5. That Doug Kaplan worked at Elite Options from Jan, 2005 to Mar, 2009 (DK's "Talent.me" page)

Bonus:
6. That Doug Kaplan is tied to "Discovery Marketing" (this one hasn't been covered yet - just wait for the May 2001 FCC Citation)

FOLLOWING DOUG KAPLAN AND ASSOCIATES THROUGH THE YEARS

Using the links shown above, we can illustrate a picture of Kaplan's activities and the activities of people Kaplan is connected to.

APRIL 2000

State of Illinois goes after Doug Kaplan's "Discovery Marketing" for misleading unsolicited fax travel offers and obtains a final judgment and a consent decree.



JULY 2000

Florida Officials probe Anthony Arrigoni and Resorts Exchange International for misleading travel offers made by "blast fax." Kaplan may be linked to this same scam, as the Western Michigan BBB targeted both Arrigoni's company and Kaplan's "Florida Reservations" simultaneously (http://westernmichigan.bbb.org/article/consumer-alert--vacation-scam-hits-west-michigan-newspapers-1673).



MAY 2001

The FCC issues a citation against "Discovery Marketing" for sending unsolicited and deceptive faxes.

This first screen cap establishes that "Discovery Marketing" is a Doug Kaplan company:



This next screen cap outlines the citation issued against "Discovery Marketing":



AUGUST 2001

FTC v. Arrigoni: The FTC secures a stipulated final judgment and a permanent injunction against Anthony Arrigoni and Resorts Exchange International for misleading travel offers.

The judgment and injunction basically amount to a suspended judgment for $4 million against Arrigoni and REIA, to be enforced if there are any violations of the terms of the stipulation (don't send out any more misleading travel offers) (http://www.ftc.gov/os/2001/08/reiastip.htm).



JUNE 2003

Rip-Off Report Complaint against Jacob Wood and "Vacation Showrooms."

I'm just going to provide the link for this one (http://www.ripoffreport.com/travel-services/vacation-showroom-ce/vacation-showroom-ceo-jacob-wo-xc25f.htm). A man claiming to be Jacob Wood, himself, responds to the report, and you can judge the interaction for yourself.

JANUARY 2005

Junkfax.org details continuing travel fax activities by Doug Kaplan and his associates. We don't know that there is anything illegal detailed here, but further down the page, a consumer claims that an attempt to obtain a refund led to a defunct merchant account and no satisfaction:





FEBRUARY 2005

Doug Kaplan and Jacob Wood get sued by DISNEY.

Jacob Wood also gets investigated by the Florida Chamber of Commerce for... impersonating the Florida Chamber of Commerce. Some things, you just couldn't even make up.

This screencap also ties Wood to "I Marketing," the entity being sued by Disney. Remember, Doug Kaplan has been tied to "I Marketing" through information at www.corporationwiki.com.




FEBRUARY 2008

The North Dakota Attorney General, responding to complaints over travel offers at an event call "Fargo Ribfest," secures a fine against Jacob Wood and "Elite Options," and "Elite Options" agrees to a permanent ban on doing business anywhere in North Dakota. Note that, according to Doug Kaplan's "Talent.me" (see above), Kaplan has a prominent sales role in "Elite Options" during a period that encompasses these activities.




CONCLUSION

Well, that wraps up our initial investigation into Doug Kaplan and his associates illegal and unethical activities. Keep in mind, if you have read this far and read all of the above, that this is the man behind a polling outfit that is being treated as a significant authority in depicting the shape of the race for the President of the United States. That's pretty crazy stuff.

This is what we have found in an initial investigation, although there are a few other details that we have left out in respect for certain individuals' privacy (this includes Mr. Kaplan). Would we/will we find more if we dig further? We can't say we would. But this information was compiled over a very short period of time.

On the basis of what we've found, one could say that it's possible that Doug Kaplan has reformed his ways, gotten out of the scamming business, and tried to make an honest go of it. That's possible. On the other hand, Doug Kaplan shows an IRS lien dating from December of 2009, and a foreclosure proceeding that continued into this current year. More damning is that he continues to associate with individuals from his past like Alan Giardinieri, a man who has been arrested within the past year.

Also, there's more to come in this series on Doug Kaplan and Gravis Marketing...

Future installments will include serious questions regarding the accuracy of the underlying data supporting his polling - data that seems to only be justified by either gross inaccuracies in Gravis' calculations or the suggestion that the extent of polling has either been exaggerated or entirely fabricated.

That is obviously the true meat on the bone as to questions regarding Gravis Marketing and their "polling operations."

Also, don't forget the name "Jacob Wood."

More to come in the working group's investigation of Doug Kaplan and Gravis Marketing...








* On American InterContinental University, a place that "if you can breathe and walk, you can get into," according to an anonymous professor quoted in the Chronicle of Higher Education (article reproduced at: http://www.secinfo.com/dRSm6.v17q.htm):

Here is the wikipedia link covering controversies involving the school: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_InterContinental_University#Controversy

Here is an eye-opening article detailing a Federal Whistle-blower lawsuit filed against the school, charging fraud in obtaining federal grant money (the whistle blowers, according to the article, are an academic adviser, an employee in the school's Registrar's Office, the President of one of AIU's campuses, a man who is also a vice president for academic affairs, and the school's Director of Human Resources(!)):




** On Junkfax.org and Steve Kirsch - the website is, by all appearances, a purely altruistic effort undertaken by Mr. Kirsch. As best we can tell, he created the website because he really, really hates junk faxes. He has vowed to shut down the website when the last junk fax is sent.

Here is a screencap of his foundation's webpage:



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Reply GRAVIS MARKETING - BOMBSHELLS IN PICTURES - A THOROUGH LOOK AT DOUG KAPLAN AND HIS ASSOCIATES (Original post)
grantcart Oct 2012 OP
flamingdem Oct 2012 #1
jsmirman Oct 2012 #62
JaneyVee Oct 2012 #66
NYC_SKP Oct 2012 #2
grantcart Oct 2012 #7
dchill Oct 2012 #3
littlemissmartypants Oct 2012 #4
grantcart Oct 2012 #8
DURHAM D Oct 2012 #5
aquart Oct 2012 #12
grantcart Oct 2012 #20
Indpndnt Oct 2012 #6
grantcart Oct 2012 #9
aquart Oct 2012 #13
Indpndnt Oct 2012 #17
Democratopia Oct 2012 #10
freshwest Oct 2012 #42
InsultComicDog Oct 2012 #11
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Warren DeMontague Oct 2012 #15
grantcart Oct 2012 #79
speedoo Oct 2012 #16
grantcart Oct 2012 #18
InsultComicDog Oct 2012 #22
progressivebydesign Oct 2012 #55
grantcart Oct 2012 #59
emsimon33 Oct 2012 #19
quakerboy Oct 2012 #21
DURHAM D Oct 2012 #38
eridani Oct 2012 #23
AnnieK401 Oct 2012 #24
Nostradammit Oct 2012 #25
jsmirman Oct 2012 #26
riverbendviewgal Oct 2012 #27
Starry Messenger Oct 2012 #28
nenagh Oct 2012 #29
Raster Oct 2012 #30
grantcart Oct 2012 #43
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Raster Oct 2012 #32
Segami Oct 2012 #33
enough Oct 2012 #34
porphyrian Oct 2012 #35
hwmnbn Oct 2012 #36
theKed Oct 2012 #37
DURHAM D Oct 2012 #39
Major Hogwash Oct 2012 #40
grantcart Oct 2012 #41
Major Hogwash Oct 2012 #45
jsmirman Oct 2012 #46
ChisolmTrailDem Oct 2012 #47
grantcart Oct 2012 #48
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LondonReign2 Oct 2012 #49
formercia Oct 2012 #50
begin_within Oct 2012 #51
CultJamProductions Oct 2012 #52
progressivebydesign Oct 2012 #53
Scurrilous Oct 2012 #54
renate Oct 2012 #57
grantcart Oct 2012 #58
phrigndumass Oct 2012 #60
grantcart Oct 2012 #61
NMDemDist2 Oct 2012 #63
jsmirman Oct 2012 #65
grantcart Oct 2012 #67
formercia Oct 2012 #75
grantcart Oct 2012 #76
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grantcart Oct 2012 #73
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grantcart Oct 2012 #72
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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Fri Oct 19, 2012, 01:19 AM

1. Nice mugshots

Thanks for this investigation of this criminal personality, good grief.

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Response to flamingdem (Reply #1)

Fri Oct 19, 2012, 07:40 PM

62. Can you believe this guy's work is given credence by the New York Times???

He may be a bigger fabulist than Jayson Blair!

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Response to jsmirman (Reply #62)

Fri Oct 19, 2012, 09:54 PM

66. Meanwhile, this OP deserves a Pulitzer Prize.

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Fri Oct 19, 2012, 01:23 AM

2. Note to self. Do NOT piss off grantcart.

Dayum, you're thorough!

Nice sleuthing, brother!

Now to spread the love!

K/R

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Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #2)

Fri Oct 19, 2012, 01:31 AM

7. not my work. you may have read it before I added the insert

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Fri Oct 19, 2012, 01:28 AM

3. VERY nice work! The bottom line...

Nate? Nate????

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Fri Oct 19, 2012, 01:29 AM

4. Exceptional grantcart

You should feel very gratified in the final analysis. Clearly you have the facts on your side for a great cause, thank you. LMSP

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Response to littlemissmartypants (Reply #4)

Fri Oct 19, 2012, 01:32 AM

8. This is from contributor #2, not my work

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Fri Oct 19, 2012, 01:30 AM

5. Are you in movie discussions yet?

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Response to DURHAM D (Reply #5)

Fri Oct 19, 2012, 01:48 AM

12. Start with the book.

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Response to DURHAM D (Reply #5)

Fri Oct 19, 2012, 03:26 AM

20. you bet. got Giamatti already signed up and in make up shots

When he first hears about DU



One week later



Just one month later

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Fri Oct 19, 2012, 01:30 AM

6. This is amazing stuff. Great researching.

And just a little bit scary. Let's always be friends, 'kay?

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Response to Indpndnt (Reply #6)

Fri Oct 19, 2012, 01:32 AM

9. we will always be friends but this is from contributor #2

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Response to grantcart (Reply #9)

Fri Oct 19, 2012, 01:49 AM

13. My thanks to Contributor #2. Good work.

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Response to grantcart (Reply #9)

Fri Oct 19, 2012, 02:16 AM

17. Ah, gotcha.

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Fri Oct 19, 2012, 01:47 AM

10. A great job Grantcard. This is a man with a shady past. His past reasonably throws into

 

question the integrity of Gravis Marketing so-called opinion polls. He would be committing fraud if he has been selling Mickey Mouse opinion polls that are plucked from the air. If he has anything to hide, he can either wait for the law to catch up with him or make a hasty exit while he is one step ahead.

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Response to Democratopia (Reply #10)

Fri Oct 19, 2012, 11:19 AM

42. A great example of why government should not be run like a business. This is the GOP model.

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Fri Oct 19, 2012, 01:47 AM

11. Very nice work

by you and the other contributor.

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Fri Oct 19, 2012, 01:57 AM

14. Wow!

Amazing work!

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Fri Oct 19, 2012, 02:01 AM

15. What? He's a self-made man!

As in, made up.

And a junk faxer, to boot. Man, talk about the sleaziest of the sleaze.

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #15)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 10:14 PM

79. oh there is much worse, stay tuned.

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Fri Oct 19, 2012, 02:02 AM

16. Great work, contributor #2.

Thanks.

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Fri Oct 19, 2012, 03:10 AM

18. I think contributor #2 is saying that we should watch out for


Jacob Wood.


I can't help but feel that Jacob isn't going to be happy to be dragged into the spotlight.

Just a feeling I have.

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Response to grantcart (Reply #18)

Fri Oct 19, 2012, 03:32 AM

22. just googling "Jacob Wood" "Elite Options"

is instructive...

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Response to InsultComicDog (Reply #22)

Fri Oct 19, 2012, 01:39 PM

55. well he certainly likes to donate to the RNC, doesn't he? nt

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Response to InsultComicDog (Reply #22)

Fri Oct 19, 2012, 02:26 PM

59. apparently the NYT needs instructions on how to Google.

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Fri Oct 19, 2012, 03:26 AM

19. Remarkable & important piece of research

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Fri Oct 19, 2012, 03:29 AM

21. Been reading here with interest.

Wondering what he end game of it is.

Also, I find myself thinking maybe I should go Into polling. A states week, lotsa calls. Could be interesting. Only problem is its a little late for this round, and there won be much more :for a few years.

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Response to quakerboy (Reply #21)

Fri Oct 19, 2012, 10:12 AM

38. I too have been wondering how many flimflamers have been inspired by this story.

Also, forget about the calls. They are not necessary. You just can make shit up.

I don't think Gravis made a single phone call.

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Fri Oct 19, 2012, 03:38 AM

23. We don't have a research section anymore, but--

--you are posting these in your journal here, right?

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Fri Oct 19, 2012, 03:55 AM

24. Great piece, thanks

But why does every crazy, sleazy story out there come out of FL. And I say that as someone who lives in FL.

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Response to Nostradammit (Reply #25)

Fri Oct 19, 2012, 05:12 AM

26. Please, and I mean please do NOT do that

I'm sure you are kidding.

But anyone who takes this post as an invitation to personally harass this guy or his family - I mean, he has harassed a lot of people's fax machines with deceptive offers, come to think of it - but no one knows who currently has that phone number, or if that's a cell or a landline into his home -

People are going to do what they are going to do, but I beg of folks to take the high road here.

I think Nostradammit is just kidding here - please don't anyone get it in his or her head to do it.

My half-penny.

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Fri Oct 19, 2012, 05:14 AM

27. awesome work, grantcart

Your work reminds me of my last job before retiring. I found detecting fraud like a spider web. One detection leading to other leads and other fraudsters. Like spider webs taken down, they are quickly rebuilt in other locations with other names. What my department found frustrating was getting the corporation we worked for and the law enforcement to go after the criminals. There was much resistance. I hope MSM takes your work seriously. DU could help with a massive calling them.

Please be careful. Your work puts the light on what high ups don't want the American public to know. So many whistleblowers meet up "accidents". Once again fantastic work you are doing.

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Fri Oct 19, 2012, 05:25 AM

28. This is great stuff grantcart and group.

 

You should email all of this to Hiaasen, this reads like something he'd enjoy covering too. The mugshots are choice.

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Fri Oct 19, 2012, 06:42 AM

29. Heartfelt thanks for this exposť .... of who these people really are..




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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Fri Oct 19, 2012, 07:20 AM

30. Outstanding! In summation: Frauds and scumbags.

Any supposed polling data must be treated as highly suspect and should not be considered valid until specifically verified.

I stand on what I said one month ago: Gravis Marketing's entire purpose is to skew polling data.

Nate Silver and 538 should discard any information or data provided by Gravis from polling results.

Thank you to you and your team! Well done!

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Response to Raster (Reply #30)

Fri Oct 19, 2012, 11:31 AM

43. that would make you Gravis working team member #1

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Response to grantcart (Reply #43)

Fri Oct 19, 2012, 11:48 AM

44. You are too kind! Your work has been a beauty!

Seriously. It's this type of involvement, intelligence and tenacity that makes me proud to be part of the DU community.

Thank you.

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Fri Oct 19, 2012, 08:22 AM

31. Kick!

& rec!

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Fri Oct 19, 2012, 08:47 AM

32. Let's keep this kicked! This needs some major exposure!

Thanks again, grantcart and Team!

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Fri Oct 19, 2012, 09:02 AM

33. KICK!

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Fri Oct 19, 2012, 09:09 AM

34. Great work, all of you. (nt)

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Fri Oct 19, 2012, 09:10 AM

35. . n/t

 

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Fri Oct 19, 2012, 09:27 AM

36. HOLY CRAP!! This is amazing work, grantcart!

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Fri Oct 19, 2012, 10:08 AM

37. outstanding work

to you and the anonymous contributors.

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Fri Oct 19, 2012, 10:34 AM

39. I used to get those damn faxes at my office.

They were very unprofessional. Often they were handwritten with a Sharpie. Some times they used standard clip art with handwritten bullet points. One glance at them and you knew they were not legitimate.

I could not get the spamming stopped and I resented the use of ink and paper so it pissed me off. But, I gave up on stopping them so I just passed them around the office to play with. I had a couple of very creative and funny employees so they added notes, colors, smart remarks etc. IWOs we turned them into a game.

It is oddly satisfying many years later to find out why they finally stopped coming.

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Fri Oct 19, 2012, 10:58 AM

40. Someone should send a tweet to Rachel about this thread.

They should also send a tweet to Nate, the guy at 538.

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Response to Major Hogwash (Reply #40)

Fri Oct 19, 2012, 11:06 AM

41. that would be you or some other reader.


For various reasons, not the least of which is security, we are not emailing anybody.

I could just see some lameass at the NYT forwarding my email to this gang and asking for a reply.

We had a person to person contact at the NYT that hand delivered an outline of what we were sitting on to the appropriate editors and nothing was done.

They didn't even bother responding to our email.

I have sent emails to people that are personally connect to Maddow and others.

Never got a response back.

We are out of the email business its up to you now Major.



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Response to grantcart (Reply #41)

Fri Oct 19, 2012, 11:52 AM

45. Well, in that case . . .

We gotta take these bastards.
Now, we could do it with conventional weapons, but that could take years and cost millions of lives.
No, I think we have to go all out.
I think that this situation absolutely requires a really futile, and stupid gesture, be done on somebody's part.

And we're just the guys to do it!

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Fri Oct 19, 2012, 12:55 PM

46. kick - this wacky bunch is polling again

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Fri Oct 19, 2012, 01:04 PM

47. Most excellent work, sir. Thank you. Just an FYI,

I was the one who first told Gravis about your reporting on DU. Within minutes (I was not a member here yet), Gravis registered here and commented. Looks like they haven't come back since, even though I've been trying to provoke a response from Kaplan.

Love the research you've done here. Any chance when you're done exposing Gravis that you (and your working group team) could turn to the Romney's connection to Hart Intercivic and their voting machines that will be used in Ohio?

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Response to ChisolmTrailDem (Reply #47)

Fri Oct 19, 2012, 01:11 PM

48. and yet another member of the Gravis Working Group. welcome


you can continue to do great work by sending these threads to other outlets.

We will not be looking at hart Intercivic.

We are all fully engaged people who are finding that on most days we end up working on this between 10 at night and 2 in the morning.

As you will see in the future the real story is not actually with Gravis but with the extended network that goes way beyond Kaplan.

We expect that by Monday and the latest releases that no one will be standing on their side.

It turns out that Gravis is the tail and there is a big bad dog on the other side.

Each new associate leads to a new web, new allegations, new facts and new associates.

I am guessing that this story will be continuing way beyond the election.

You can help us by doing what you did before, letting others see the facts that have been accumulated so far.

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Response to grantcart (Reply #48)

Fri Oct 19, 2012, 01:59 PM

56. Thank you for this and for your work. I have been pounding

republican election fraud hard on Twitter and with this and Strategic and now the Virgina GOP trashing registrations, I've had lots of ammo. I've also been tweeting your efforts through the Twitter buttons here and as Tweets from my own Twitter account using various hashtags. I have a strictly politics/religion-free Facebook policy. But I'm doing what I can to spread the word and I support and thank you and the working group for your efforts.

I hope your work and dedication to this story will be an inspiration to others who would take up the matter of the Romneys and HartINTERcivic in the way that you have with Gravis. I am learning what I can but my resources are limited and I have no ready access to databases/records. I'm still trying to confirm that there is a connection, though it looks right now as if there is.

Also, to stray off-topic for a moment, one more thing that isn't discussed enough is church involvement in our elections. I am of the strict opinion that the paths of these two entities should never come together. I bring this up because I was just watching TXCN and there was a short report about a church in the Hill Country town of Leakey that is currently sporting the following Church In The Valley sign:



To tolerate this kind of messaging from churches is to invite our own brand of Sharia Law and extreme religious fundamentalism to seize control of our society. It is not enough to call for the IRS to revoke the tax-exempt status of churches. This is a matter of the Constitutional separation of the church from the State. It is the bedrock basis of our inception as a nation. Religious interference by King George was one of the motivations that led to our independence from England. That separation must not be compromised.

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Fri Oct 19, 2012, 01:21 PM

49. Clap clap clap

Incredibly well done, thank you to both you and contributor #2 for your efforts.

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Fri Oct 19, 2012, 01:24 PM

50. Junior once said: "We make our own Reality."

..and these are some of the Operatives that "Git 'er done." As Junior would say.

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Fri Oct 19, 2012, 01:28 PM

51. In other words, he's the perfect Republican

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Fri Oct 19, 2012, 01:28 PM

52. No big surprise

what do you expect?

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Fri Oct 19, 2012, 01:35 PM

53. Stunning work. Gravis needs to be removed from the polling mix. OK, the TYPOS on his Talent.me

are also an immediate tip off that he is a fraud. I mean, c'mon, so many typs on his public profile? Doug.. it's "their" not "THERE." geez.

And has Nate Silver and the others STOPPED using them???

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Fri Oct 19, 2012, 01:38 PM

54. Great work!

K & R

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Fri Oct 19, 2012, 02:06 PM

57. K&R

Thank you thank you thank you!

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Response to renate (Reply #57)

Fri Oct 19, 2012, 02:21 PM

58. kudos to contributor #2

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Fri Oct 19, 2012, 02:32 PM

60. Absolutely awesome post

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Response to phrigndumass (Reply #60)

Fri Oct 19, 2012, 06:18 PM

61. contributor #2 always comes to the point with a #2 pencil.

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Fri Oct 19, 2012, 07:51 PM

63. but the question is, is Gravis still being weighed heavily by 538??

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Response to NMDemDist2 (Reply #63)

Fri Oct 19, 2012, 09:47 PM

65. Have a look for yourself

just type 538 blog into the google.

Gravis is weighted very heavily in a number of swing states.

It's a wild state of affairs.

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Response to NMDemDist2 (Reply #63)

Fri Oct 19, 2012, 10:00 PM

67. its not just Gravis but a whole community of pollsters from the right

ARG, Purple Strategies, Rasmussen,

I think people are going to be surprised by North carolina

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Response to grantcart (Reply #67)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 02:28 PM

75. RICO

Sounds like a Criminal Conspiracy to me.

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Response to formercia (Reply #75)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 02:49 PM

76. then you will be most interested in the next two postings from the Gravis Working Group


brings us right to a RICO charge.

Just not politics.

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Response to grantcart (Reply #76)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 05:06 PM

78. I would love to see them Perp-marched

..right through the gates of Ft. Leavenworth.

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Fri Oct 19, 2012, 08:31 PM

64. Nice case, built brick by brick. So why do the "legit" guys accept other's numbers w/o checking?

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Response to Scuba (Reply #64)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 10:27 AM

73. they are addicted to "the next poll"

If 20 polls show, for example, Obama ahead in Ohio and the next one shows Romney ahead by 1 then that poll SHOULD be the most reliable and the next poll even more important.

They don't want to know where the numbers have been, they only want to know where it is going.

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Response to Scuba (Reply #64)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 12:12 PM

74. Because they are failing to remember that "garbage data in" really does compromise your results

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Fri Oct 19, 2012, 10:34 PM

68. Investigative journalism

at its finest. Thank you all contributors.

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Fri Oct 19, 2012, 11:01 PM

69. Wow and where is the News Media?

promoting these crooks

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Response to lovuian (Reply #69)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 12:39 AM

70. thanks

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 12:46 AM

71. Jesus fucking christ.

You said you had soem stuff, but I had NO IDEA you folks were this far into this.




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Response to cliffordu (Reply #71)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 01:49 AM

72. We got everything but his drycleaner's address.


The next little bit is beyond jaw dropping.

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 03:48 PM

77. good job. Even without the info, I never took these never-heard-of polls seriously.

 

But this is good expose of these party thugs, hacks.

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Response to JackN415 (Reply #77)

Sun Oct 21, 2012, 09:35 PM

81. kick

:kick:

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 10:23 PM

80. Gravis

 

has no gravitas. Rec.

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Sun Oct 21, 2012, 09:58 PM

82. Excellent work by contributor #2

and the rest of the Gravis Working Group. Thanks to all of you.

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Mon Oct 22, 2012, 02:09 AM

83. Great work.

Wow.

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Response to grantcart (Original post)

Mon Oct 22, 2012, 08:50 AM

84. ugh....

Whatever happened to investigative journalism ?? Apparently I have to come to DU to find it! IS anyone in the mainstream media covering. U would think at least someone on MSNBC would.

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Fri Sep 27, 2013, 11:47 PM

87. I knew both of these people personally

I know this is an old thread but I came across it and wanted to say that I worked for Doug and Alan for over a year (which is a lifetime in a business like that) when they ran Vacation Showroom. I have never known more seedy, underhanded people and I am ashamed to say I stayed there as long as I did. He was constantly starting phone service and credit cards in employees names/ssn in exchange for higher commission on their sales. He would not pay the telephone bills and he would report fraudulent purchases on the credit cards and dispute the charges. Alan was a coke head who was completely useless. I saw Doug's linked in page and it is ludicrous. There is so mych more i could say about him but it would take up pages. He is the slimiest scam artist that could ever be imagined and I am amazed that he is still able to open a business! It is sickening. I hope he gets caught and thrown in jail so he can be with his kind.

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Response to my222 (Reply #87)

Sat Sep 28, 2013, 12:01 AM

88. welcome to DU

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