There is absolutely no way that Obama is going to win the Debate tonight!

[RepublicansRZombies]

The narrative is already written.

It doesn't matter what he does or says, Romney won by either being aggressive or being polite, either way he already won.

It's the Media, Stupid.

There is nothing we can do to fix this country until we stop the corporate 1%ers media from lying to million of Americans, manufacturing consent for the takeover of our democracy.

What are we going to do about the media before the next election?

What are we going to do when it is so obvious they faked the polls, faked the popularity and stole another election....and all we can do is complain to each other on DU and watch them brainwash millions of Americans into believing that we are so stupid to elect Romney.

Daily Mail will run another headline 'how can millions of Americans be so stupid'.... and we'll all just eat shit and like it...again...

It is not the millions of Americans that are being brainwashed that are at fault here. They are stupid. They like information to be spoon fed. People are uniquely American working 2-3 jobs to get by, they don't have time to surf the net for the real news.

The job of the news is to use our public airwaves to serve the public interest, by telling the truth and keeping us informed.

They are failing miserably, but how would the people who keep watching know this?

WE are the ones that have to do something to expose the liars, stop letting corporate media 1%ers control the information and the dialogue in this country.

Did you see those debates! What a bunch of fucking liars, that was absurd! We all saw what a load of crap Romney/Ryan spewed, then to say they won!

Are we just going to let them do that again?

The definition of Insanity is doing the same thing over and over, expecting different results.

[marezdotes]

1. And in my opinion,

the one guy I thought was on our side, Chris Mathews, was the worst of the worst. His critique was gut wrenching and it pissed me off.

[monmouth]

2. Both of you guys are pretty good, at least some effort is being shown, but...sorry...LOL...n/t

[DemocratSinceBirth]

12. How Can You Be Sure They Aren't The Same Poster?/nt

[marezdotes]

46. Are you talking about myself and Republicansrzombies? I can assure you, we are not the same poster.

[RepublicansRZombies]

54. who are you and what are they talking about

[RepublicansRZombies]

34. I must have missed something

what are you guys talking about?

[Savannahmann]

4. Matthews was furious

We have spent months uncovering the truth about Robme. We have hundreds of articles on the 47%. On the offshoring, on so many other topics that would have been devistating to the lying bastard. But the people didn't hear it, because President Obama was to paraphrase the West Wing, Uncle Fluffy.

Matthews knew that President Obama could win, and should have, if he'd used the ammunition we have all prepared for him. He was angry, as we all were, and he told the truth. Robme was given a pass, because President Obama wasn't ready for that debate. Tonight, he will be ready, he knows that this is a serious fight against a determined enemy.

[RepublicansRZombies]

20. all Matthews had to do was choose one LIE of the many to go on and on about, it was so easy

But instead they choose to go after Obama. And they will do it again.

[okieinpain]

57. agree. for one minute there I thought president obama was going to light his ass up

when he said " you've been talking about your tax plan for 18 months, now tonight you're saying never mind". that was perfect but president obama just went back to doodling on his pad.

[ladjf]

35. ... and don't forget about Big Ed. nt

[Savannahmann]

3. I disagree

President Obama can win, by doing all the things we know he is able. President Obama is without a doubt the greatest orator of our era. He can win, but he has to unleash the big guns. He has to hit Robme on the 47%. He has to hit hard with the tax returns. He has to point out that Robme has off shored a significant percentage of the jobs lost.

President Obama can win, but he has to fight. Because if you are right, and he can't win, then the election is nearly lost. That is an outcome I will not even contemplate. I want my President to do well. I am rooting for him, campaigning for him, and donating to him. I would not like that effort, and sacrafice to be in vain. Tonight, we stop Robme, tonight we take the momentum back. Tonight, we win.

[RepublicansRZombies]

21. of course Obama will really win, my point is we must take the narrative from the 1%ers media

We have to stop allowing them to tell people what to think. It works too well on too many people.

[WDIM]

5. in reality

the media doesn't want a run away election. They want people to keep watching and to keep guessing and keep the ratings up. Its a number game to get ratings. They all play it the same way they just play to their audience. Keeping it close keeps the viewer watching. Just like the Refs in the NBA keep it close and keep people watching.

We need to do away with profit driven stock driven media. All news media needs to be not-for profit and its companies or holding companies cannot be involved in the stock market. It should be independently owned.

[RepublicansRZombies]

22. the media runs cover for stolen elections. It's called manufactured consent

None of this corporate takeover is possible without the media manufacturing consent, making us believe that we all accept what they are doing.

When they stole the election in 2000, all the stations had James Baker on saying 'the ballots have been counted over and over and over'....

They played this clip over and over and over.

They had Republicans thinking that Gore and 'the liberals' were trying to steal the election from them.

It was absurd.

And they will do it again!

[RepublicansRZombies]

24. MEET YOUR NEW DIEBOLD!-Owners Of Electronic Voting Machine Company Are Romney Super-Fans

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021549240

[donco]

6. Kinda looks

to me that the DU winger moles are starting to worm there way out from under the rock. Congratulation.be sure to put on the sun glasses.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

7. And The Gullible Among Us Eat It Up

.

[donco]

10. I hope they

stick around...there concern is noted.

[Buddaman]

15. something sure stinks

[RepublicansRZombies]

36. do you read before you post? I think Obama really won and the media lies and I'm a winger?

okey

[SheilaT]

8. I disagree.

To keep this thing as a "horse race" Obama must win the debate.

And he will.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

11. The Iron Law Of Political Coverage

"The story must change."

I will give you the tweets in advance.

"The president was more engaged."

"The president connected with the audience in the hall and at home."

"The president was empathetic and in command."

[fugop]

13. Absolutely agree

I've noted this in a couple of threads as well. I believe the media tonight will not want to let Romney win, because if he does, there go the ratings for debate no. 3. They've said for days that it all hinges on TONIGHT for President Obama. So they need to give him the win (or at least give him the "He did what he needed to do tonight" push) in order to keep folks watching. They need to bring everyone back for the third debate. If they do for Romney what they did for him in the first debate, the narrative will be that it's over for President Obama.

So I'm expecting the pundits to give Obama either a victory or an acceptable draw.

We'll see tonight...

[DemocratSinceBirth]

18. We All Saw Kerry Clobber Bush In All Three Debates But They Called It 1-0-2

They scored the first one for Kerry and scored the second and third a tie.

I love the president. It's almost embarrassing for me to admit. But tonight he benefits from low expectations.

[boxman15]

17. Exactly.

If Romney wins, he's probably the favorite. If Obama blows out Romney, Obama will be the clear favorite. The narrative after the debate will be "Obama won, but Romney held his own" or "Romney won, but Obama held his own." That way the race remains close.

That is, unless Obama or Romney clearly wins. Then they can't spin things as easily.

[RepublicansRZombies]

26. I hope you are right, I KNOW he WILL win, I just don't trust the media

They cannot risk allowing Romney's 'ideas' to be questioned.

They must focus on something petty and distract distract distract.

[Grateful for Hope]

47. Very good point.

Although, in reality I think he will legitimately win.

[freetrucker53]

9. Obama and debating

Greatest Orater? I'd give that title to Bill Clinton. We need a fighter in there. Hope Obama can fill the bill tonight but I'll be surprised. He's turned out to be a reach across the aisle, compromise even if you have to give everything away type of guy so far.

[RepublicansRZombies]

27. all we need is someone to tell the truth, which he does

All we need is a truthful media to analyze statements instead of focusing on inane moronic made up distractions.

If we had a functioning media, Romney/Ryan would have been laughed off the political stage.

They are an embarrassment to our nation.

The media is solely responsible for making us look like morons to the rest of the world.

The media is an embarrassment to our nation.

[randome]

14. So what do you propose we do to limit free speech?

I don't see that anything can be 'done' to stop journalists -real or imaginary- from saying what they want. But the advantage given to Republicans is starting to look less appealing to them, I think.

The best thing we can 'do' is to not over-react and show these imbeciles that a country managed by Democrats is much preferable.

[RepublicansRZombies]

37. we can have a class action lawsuit against the outlets abusing our public airwaves for their own $$

The FCC license is granted with the agreement that they will serve the public interest.

They are clearly serving the interests of the 1% and corporations who fund them, looking out for their own personal interests, not the public.

They are in direct violation of their FCC license and they should have them revoked.

Most people think, those are their stations, they can do whatever they like.

That may be the case on cable, but the most popular stations catering the the millions of Americans with their lies every night are using our public airwaves to do it.

[randome]

42. Define 'public interest'. If you want to reinstate the Fairness Doctrine, I can see that.

But trying to force stations to report the news the way WE want it reported is no good.

You'd need to define what a 'lie' is, too. And then you'd have to decide on who was going to decide if something was a 'lie'.

[RepublicansRZombies]

55. Facts are Facts- Gimme some truth, all I want is the truth

When Romney says Obama stole 700 billion from Medicare to pay for Obamacare....

It would serve the public interest to determine whether or not that was a fact or not.


When Romney blames Obama for high gas prices, it would be the job of the media to search for the facts.

The fact would be that the Koch Brothers speculating on oil is what causes the price to go up, not Obama being in office.


When Romney Blames Obama for the unemployment, the numbers on food stamps , the numbers in poverty and says it was all Obama's fault because he ran for office....

It is the media's job to state the facts, that Republicans put two wars, two Big Government programs on the government credit card while stealing from Social Security to give themselves tax cuts.



I don't think it is too much to ask for them to focus on facts and substance....not who was grinning or who was looking downward.

You cannot declare someone a winner without analyzing what was actually said and whether or not it was factual.

We have to have standards!

We have to demand they have journalistic standards.

There is something terribly wrong with this country, isn't there?

[magical thyme]

16. He has his work cut out for him, but he can and will win.

Candy at the helm is not a help, but the Town Hall format should help President Obama. Just as our President has a hard time letting go of his disdain for his evil-to-the-core opponent, Romney's disdain for the 47% has a way of "shining" through and creating very awkward moments.

And, just like with Biden's clear demolition of Ryan, the media can spin it any way they want. Ultimately, people who actually watched it will recognize who truly won.

Pundits gave it to Ryan.
Instapolls of Independents showed a smashing victory for Biden: 50+ to 30 or so.

I can't predict how Obama will come through tonight. But I can and will send him all the good vibes I can muster.

[RepublicansRZombies]

28. Romney has no plan, no real ideas to fix anything. Obama needs only speak the truth.

He is not an actor.

We should be demanding the media tell the truth about what they are SAYING.

[magical thyme]

31. Actually, I think Romney *does* have a plan and an agenda

and knows that if he ever revealed it to the American people in a way they could understand it, he would lose. He plans to further enrich himself by stealing from us. He is a criminal. He is a thief. He plans to move from being a corporate raider/leveraged buyout artist to a sovereign state raider/leverage buyout artist. He wants to surpass Goldman Sachs and their PIIGS scam by repeating their trick with the US. It is that simple.

I read an article on DU that was the best analysis I've seen yet of the choice we face. He wants financial deregulation so that he pays zero taxes. He will make Supreme Court appointments with the intention of overturning Roe v Wade. He will privatize Social Security in order to further enrich himself by raiding our retirements. Romney wants Ryan's budget, which can bypass the senate by reconciliation.

[RepublicansRZombies]

38. okay you're right, we need to discuss what his real plans are

not whether he looked good while he was interrupting and lying

[valerief]

19. Voters don't matter. Vote-counters do. Debate winners don't matter. Debate winner declarers do. nt

[RepublicansRZombies]

29. exactly!

!

[Spike89]

23. No need to get overheated

The debates have a limited effect. How the participants do in the debate has an effect. How the media portrays what happened in the debate has an incredibly small effect. The reality is that very few people are really searching at this point for answers as to which ticket they will support. Really, what policy is it that people are unsure about? Anyone that truly hasn't judged these guys, their policies, their parties, and all the issues simply isn't very likely to vote.

You can pretend that there are a lot of sheep out there just waiting for the media to tell them who to vote for, but the reality is that they've almost certainly made up their minds and the choice is reflected in the network they choose to watch the debates on. Watch it on Fox and I know you aren't voting Obama, watch MSNBC and you are NOT a Mitt voter. Pretty much any other channel and you're watching just to see what the "mainstream" thinks about your guy.

Relax, it takes a real mistake, like a total meltdown (and no, Obama was no where near that in debate 1) or a radical shift in policy to shake the dynamics of a race this late between two well known politicians. Unless Obama decides he's anti-Obamacare, anti-choice, and probably anti-democratic, he's not going to win or lose many votes tonight. Mitt isn't going to change things either, even if he changes everything he says he belives in.

[RepublicansRZombies]

32. Our votes have very little effect. The media is creating the idea that America loves Romney!

So when they steal if for him, we will all accept it.

Manufactured Consent.

They get paid very well by the Koch brothers for this 'work'

MEET YOUR NEW DIEBOLD!-Owners Of Electronic Voting Machine Company Are Romney Super-Fans
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021549240#post5

[Spike89]

50. Baloney

Pretty much those same folks loved John McCain too. There is no manufactured consent and no agenda by the media other than to promote that this is an "exciting, back-and-forth horserace that could be decided just after the next commercial break!"

Relax and understand that maybe as many as 48% of the voters on either side made their minds up last summer and nothing will budge them (even a meltdown). So, if Romney comes on stage and eats a baby while strangling an assortment of cute puppies and kittens, 48% will change from voting "for" Romney to voting against Obama. Basically, nothing changes. For what is worth, about 48% of the people voting for Obama are the same way.

For the critical 4% not totally locked into a camp, well more half of them have pretty much made up their minds too--Mitt has been around a long time and the other guy is as "famous" as any president ever (he is the first black guy in the office you know).

To be fair, there is some real drama--who will get out the vote. If Obama has a truly disasterous debate (not like last time, but 100X worse), some of the folks he needs won't bother voting against Romney. Likewise, if Romney fails, he could cause some of the anti-Obama folks to lose hope and not vote.

I'm not going to get into the Diebold thing--it isn't a factor in my state, and it isn't something we can do something about at this stage of the election. Not freaking out is within our power.

[billh58]

25. What, pray tell, leads

you to believe that Romney won the debate? Did you figure that out all by yourself, or did someone tell you what to think?

Nice try though, and thanks for playing...

[RepublicansRZombies]

30. is this a joke?

did you even read the post?

I know that Obama won.

Just like Joe Biden made Ryan look like the weak small man that he is.

The point was that the media is going to lie again.

They keep getting away with it, why would they stop?

And the question is, what are we going to do about it?

just watch and react again?

I'm thinking we should all email Think Progress' list of lies from the last debate to the media outlets in mass, send it all over facebook, plaster this list everywhere...

Does anyone have the link by chance?

[ladjf]

33. During Howard Dean's Presidential campaign, he announced that if elected, he was going to

do something about the media's partisan influence during the elections. Within one week after
saying that, the media had knocked him from the front running position to out of the race. The rigged a loop to make it look as though he was screaming to himself.

You are right, something must be done. But, no candidate can risk taking that position until after they are elected, preferably during the second term.

[RepublicansRZombies]

39. yes yes yes!!! I am so sick of these bastards getting away with everything!

They are ruining our country, driving us into bankruptcy killing people in other nations, killing off the old and weak among us to pay for it....

None of this is possible without the media, They need to be held accountable. Pitchforks and Torches!

We can't expect Obama to do it.

We need to take charge instead of allowing them to control the narrative in this country.

They are making us look like idiots!

This is the greatest nation on earth, the birthplace of Democracy, the inspiration to the world....we had so much potential to change to world for the better...

Look what we have devolved into and it is all because of the fucking media!!!!!

[reformist2]

40. The media wants to spin it for Obama, imo, but the old Obama has to show up tonight.

[Jose_Jalapeno]

41. It's good to lower expectations

It releases some of the pressure on Obama.

[JEFF9K]

43. Obama has a chance if ...

All Republicans can be beaten in debates. The important things are to rebut every single lie and don't allow false equivalence. Watch for Romney to pull that TRICKLE-DOWN GOVERNMENT garbage again.

[freetrucker53]

44. He has a chance

Maybe if he can bring up Bain Capitals latest offshoring Sensata to China. Almost all Americans of either party are tired of the offshoring of well paying jobs, and both parties are guilty. This is one of the main reasons we're doing so badly and younger people are facing competition with the third world. Hope he brings it up.

[RKP5637]

45. Many Americans are STUPID and it has nothing to do with IQ, they are

simply STUPID. I never would have said this some years ago, but the STUPID is just too great anymore in the US. And I can't make excuses for them anymore. Maybe eventually when they are destitute, living on the street or deathly ill they might wake up, but then it will be too late, and with their deer in the headlight look, will say WTF, how did this happen.

My gut feeling is when history is written in the future, America will go down as one of the most stupid counties, having fallen from greatness to the bottom of the rung for the majority of people.

[RepublicansRZombies]

53. Are you sure everyone is stupid? Maybe that is just what they want us to believe

Maybe everyone is just busy and preoccupied. which is why the media is supposed to research the facts and present the truth to us in one hour on TV.

Instead they use it to promote propaganda and take over our country for the 1%.

Meanwhile Duers say 'well just don't watch it'...and the brainwashed masses just keep on staying brainwashed....

[RKP5637]

58. Yep, agree. Good analysis of the situation! n/t

[craigmatic]

48. You're right about the media they never gave Joe any credit and they wion't do his boss any favors

either. It doesn't matter what he says or how the President says it, if they want him to win he'll win if not they won't. These rich fucks have gotten together and put the fix in on the media narrative.

[RepublicansRZombies]

56. The irony, Koch brothers make a killing on oil speculation, pay off the media to blame obama

That is Limbaugh's proposed strategy for Romney, blame Obama for gas prices, and the media will back them up.

[slackmaster]

49. Aw, come on RRZ. Who "wins" that kind of debate is always a matter of opinion.

There will be people who say their champion won no matter what happens.

[Javaman]

51. Keep calm and carry on.

Obama is smart, he will do very well and the media no matter how much they try, can't change that. Much like Bidan and ryan.

[OldDem2012]

52. Whatever. nt.

[donheld]

59. I think you got a little egg to wash off your face

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

60. You were saying?

[billh58]

61. Concerned?

Now they will just have to find something else to be concerned about...