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Do you think there will be an atheist sworn in as president in our lifetime? (Original Post) Tcbys Oct 2012 OP
way before a Morman. graham4anything Oct 2012 #1
No. Wish it could happen but I doubt it. nt snappyturtle Oct 2012 #2
my theory is we've already seen plenty of them barbtries Oct 2012 #3
+1000. That is exactly what I was going to say. renie408 Oct 2012 #14
Yup, in a rural area if you don't belong to a church Kindly Refrain Oct 2012 #21
Exactly, most of the ultra rich are atheists. Kindly Refrain Oct 2012 #19
The first being Thomas Jefferson. Chan790 Oct 2012 #32
you'll never convince me any of the repiglicans are Christian 2pooped2pop Oct 2012 #4
The repuglicans who claim they're Christian absolutely are Christians...nt SidDithers Oct 2012 #13
Bush, a christian? Hell no. 2pooped2pop Oct 2012 #24
Yes. Bush is a Christian... SidDithers Oct 2012 #27
Hell I'm not in the club. 2pooped2pop Oct 2012 #41
I'm pretty sure Bush honestly believes Mariana Oct 2012 #34
What would the answer to that about Catholics have been in 1958? JHB Oct 2012 #5
Yes, And He/She Will Be A Republican Dirty Socialist Oct 2012 #6
Correction. Jeff In Milwaukee Oct 2012 #15
perhaps it could be "but acts like a devil worshiper" 2pooped2pop Oct 2012 #25
I dunno...Even Satan wouldn't go out dressed like this... Jeff In Milwaukee Oct 2012 #37
lol n/t 2pooped2pop Oct 2012 #40
What do you mean 'Our,' Kemo Sabe? pinboy3niner Oct 2012 #7
Oh, I hope so librarylu Oct 2012 #8
The closest we've come to that situation was William Howard Taft. no_hypocrisy Oct 2012 #9
Reminds me of a great Simpson's joke. Jeff In Milwaukee Oct 2012 #16
That's actually a real video game Kindly Refrain Oct 2012 #23
Heavens! Jeff In Milwaukee Oct 2012 #36
we quite possibly have had. the real question is, will we ever have an "out" atheist president. unblock Oct 2012 #10
No, it is only for four year terms jberryhill Oct 2012 #11
I think there already has been. RevStPatrick Oct 2012 #12
I think all but one sworn in during my lifetime was an Athiest. 1-Old-Man Oct 2012 #17
They've all been Christians. Every. Single. One...nt SidDithers Oct 2012 #28
i believe we already have scheming daemons Oct 2012 #18
Nope... SidDithers Oct 2012 #20
The focus on God has been the past 50 years - TBF Oct 2012 #30
Who knows? He or she must always claim to be a believer to get elected. AlinPA Oct 2012 #22
Don't care. n/t cherokeeprogressive Oct 2012 #26
Yeah, don't care. RC Oct 2012 #31
If a person is in their early 20s now treestar Oct 2012 #29
Boomers are like any other generation.. Fumesucker Oct 2012 #33
Not In My Lifetime ProfessorGAC Oct 2012 #35
Certainly. We may already have had one. rock Oct 2012 #38
It would be nice to know that a non believer could be elected but this country is to southernyankeebelle Oct 2012 #39
No Spider Jerusalem Oct 2012 #42
Not in a thousand years. nt ladjf Oct 2012 #43

barbtries

(28,789 posts)
3. my theory is we've already seen plenty of them
Tue Oct 9, 2012, 07:36 AM
Oct 2012

they just can't say it aloud because of the religiosity of the country.

renie408

(9,854 posts)
14. +1000. That is exactly what I was going to say.
Tue Oct 9, 2012, 08:08 AM
Oct 2012

I would bet that there are A LOT more atheists in this country than are ever accounted for. I live in the deep South and even know people who are church going and identify as Christian who, if you can get them into a conversation really talking about their faith, admit that they don't really believe. But they still strongly identify with their church. It is the centerpiece of their community and THAT is what they will not abandon.

 

Kindly Refrain

(423 posts)
21. Yup, in a rural area if you don't belong to a church
Tue Oct 9, 2012, 08:27 AM
Oct 2012

You are isolated both geographically and socially. Churches have become for profit community centers.

 

Kindly Refrain

(423 posts)
19. Exactly, most of the ultra rich are atheists.
Tue Oct 9, 2012, 08:24 AM
Oct 2012

If only because the things they worship are themselves and Mammon.

 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
32. The first being Thomas Jefferson.
Tue Oct 9, 2012, 09:08 AM
Oct 2012

Reading the collected letters of Jefferson, there can be no doubt that he was as militant of an atheist as any prominent non-theist philosopher of his age.

Washington and Adams by their own correspondence were agnostic. I guess the better question is "Who was the first Christian President?" Monroe perhaps, I know nothing of James Monroe's personal life or religious beliefs.

 

2pooped2pop

(5,420 posts)
4. you'll never convince me any of the repiglicans are Christian
Tue Oct 9, 2012, 07:37 AM
Oct 2012

So, I say it has already occurred. Now an admitted atheist? Not anytime soon. They could rouse the repiglicans with that meme even more so than abortion, guns and gays. lol

 

2pooped2pop

(5,420 posts)
24. Bush, a christian? Hell no.
Tue Oct 9, 2012, 08:37 AM
Oct 2012

No, they use the Christian meme to get the useful idiots to do their bidding but I know by their actions that if there happens to be a God, these mother fuckers are going to hell.

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
27. Yes. Bush is a Christian...
Tue Oct 9, 2012, 08:59 AM
Oct 2012

you don't get to kick him out of your club just 'cause you don't like him.

Sid

 

2pooped2pop

(5,420 posts)
41. Hell I'm not in the club.
Tue Oct 9, 2012, 09:25 AM
Oct 2012

But, I do know a non Christian when I see one. Takes one to know one?

I think a whole lot of people who claim God are full of shit. This would include the majority of the repiglican party.

I know them by their actions, not their words.

Cino's Christians in name only.

Mariana

(14,856 posts)
34. I'm pretty sure Bush honestly believes
Tue Oct 9, 2012, 09:11 AM
Oct 2012

that the Bible is generally true and that Christ died for our sins and so on. That is quite enough to make him a genuine Christian.

JHB

(37,159 posts)
5. What would the answer to that about Catholics have been in 1958?
Tue Oct 9, 2012, 07:39 AM
Oct 2012

What about a black president who wasn't Colin Powell, in 2006? (and by then, Powell had pretty much sunk himself on the altar of Bushco)

That's the thing about change, it often happens much faster than you think.

Jeff In Milwaukee

(13,992 posts)
15. Correction.
Tue Oct 9, 2012, 08:13 AM
Oct 2012

He/She will be a Republican who claims to be a Christian.

Now I was going to finish that sentence with "but acts like an atheist" but what would be grossly unfair to just about every atheist on this board, who manage to behave more like Christians and than many Christians.

Just as there are "flavors" among the faith community, we have to recognize that not all atheists are created equal.

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
7. What do you mean 'Our,' Kemo Sabe?
Tue Oct 9, 2012, 07:39 AM
Oct 2012

"In our lifetime" means different things to, say, a twenty-something DUer and a seventy-something DUer.

librarylu

(503 posts)
8. Oh, I hope so
Tue Oct 9, 2012, 07:55 AM
Oct 2012

Of course, some think our current President is an atheist - or at least an agnostic. Maybe he'll say so in his second term - late in his second term.

That would be good. He may need extra security, though.

Jeff In Milwaukee

(13,992 posts)
16. Reminds me of a great Simpson's joke.
Tue Oct 9, 2012, 08:15 AM
Oct 2012

Rod and Todd are playing a "Christian Video Game" where they shoot unbelievers to turn them into Christians. While playing the game with Bart, one of the boys shouts out, "You only winged him. He's a Unitarian now."

unblock

(52,208 posts)
10. we quite possibly have had. the real question is, will we ever have an "out" atheist president.
Tue Oct 9, 2012, 07:56 AM
Oct 2012

all presidents we've ever had understood the importance of appearing to be a believer, regardless of their actual beliefs, so it's not exactly easy to tell.

also, wouldn't a truly atheistic president have to be affirmed-in?

1-Old-Man

(2,667 posts)
17. I think all but one sworn in during my lifetime was an Athiest.
Tue Oct 9, 2012, 08:15 AM
Oct 2012

The only Christian President sworn in during my lifetime was Jimmy Carter as far as I can tell.

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
20. Nope...
Tue Oct 9, 2012, 08:26 AM
Oct 2012

Can you imagine any politician ending a speech without the pandering "God bless you and God bless the United States of America"?

Sid

TBF

(32,056 posts)
30. The focus on God has been the past 50 years -
Tue Oct 9, 2012, 09:07 AM
Oct 2012

before that it wasn't even on our currency. The right wing would like you to think this was always a Christian nation, but as evidenced by the clear intent of separating church/state it was not this way at the beginning.

I think we've had a number of atheist presidents - including Obama - but they can't say that and get elected in this climate.

 

RC

(25,592 posts)
31. Yeah, don't care.
Tue Oct 9, 2012, 09:07 AM
Oct 2012

A more realistic question would be, "Will be ever see a real Progressive or Liberal as President in our life time?"
That would have a more telling or positive effects than any religious beliefs or lack of same.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
29. If a person is in their early 20s now
Tue Oct 9, 2012, 09:03 AM
Oct 2012

They may see that in their lifetime.

I was thinking when baby boomers are the eldest people, that could be the case, but baby boomers seem to be not so liberal as I thought they were.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
33. Boomers are like any other generation..
Tue Oct 9, 2012, 09:09 AM
Oct 2012

Easily susceptible to bullshit.

And boomers have been fed more than the normal amount of bullshit in their lives.

It takes a lot of input and processing power to cut through the bullshit to any great extent, if you're distracted with other things in particular or just don't give a damn it's sooo easy to just take most everything at face value from what you see in the M$M.

And we know how warped the M$M is.



ProfessorGAC

(65,010 posts)
35. Not In My Lifetime
Tue Oct 9, 2012, 09:12 AM
Oct 2012

I'm 56. The "importance" of relgion in creating a moral compass in politics is far too ingrained and will take decades to undo.
GAC

 

southernyankeebelle

(11,304 posts)
39. It would be nice to know that a non believer could be elected but this country is to
Tue Oct 9, 2012, 09:22 AM
Oct 2012

crazy to elect one. But let's face it in the republican party you have many many so called religion nuts in name only. A majority of them don't practice what they preach. Power does something to some people. They are willing to say they are religious but honestly they don't practice it. I wouldn't be surprised that there have been some non believers in the white house already.

 

Spider Jerusalem

(21,786 posts)
42. No
Tue Oct 9, 2012, 09:45 AM
Oct 2012

The USA is one of the world's most religious and least atheist countries. 61% of Americans in a recent global survey on religious attitudes have no doubt of the existence of a god. The only countries with higher percentages of unquestioning belief in the survey were the Philippines, Chile, Poland and Israel. The US also has one of the lowest rates of atheism, at only three percent. And the US was the only country surveyed where people were likely to become MORE religious with age. See here: http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2012/06/25/religiosity-varies-dramatically-across-countries/

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