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(52,227 posts)
Thu Oct 4, 2012, 01:03 PM Oct 2012

"mr. president, you're entitled to your own airplane... but not your own facts!"

this was by far the most intriguing moment of the debate.

rmoney brazenly attempts to insulate himself from fact-invention by accusing obama of fact-invention, a classic propaganda technique.

obviously, this was a prepared line, but what's interesting to me is where he chose to use it. he couldn't find an actual FACT to object to, so he settled for obama's vague implication that rmoney didn't have education as a very high priority. rmoney wasn't disputing anything obama said about what he had done as president, or what the president's priorities were.

obama basically said, education is a high priority for me and here are some things i've accomplished to help people get good educations, and that's a difference. rmoney objected to the suggestion that he didn't value education highly, but all obama said was that maybe there was a difference.

CLEARLY obama was expressing an opinion, and an opinion about an opinion at that.

what FACTS was rmoney objecting to?

of course he never says, he just launches into how he's mr. education.



i think the "your entitled to your own airplane and your own house" part was also an attempt to insulate himself from the "too wealthy" meme -- if he can't portray himself as a man of the people, at least he can try to imply that obama's out of touch too.


in any event, i think the line should become a tag line for a series of obama ads, at the tail end of any of a number of rmoney lies.

rmoney claims this, rmoney claims that, then rmoney himself saying "you're entitled to your own airplane and your own house, but not your own facts".

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"mr. president, you're entitled to your own airplane... but not your own facts!" (Original Post) unblock Oct 2012 OP
What Rmoney really meant meow2u3 Oct 2012 #1
right -- iokiyar unblock Oct 2012 #2
THAT was his big zinger? louis-t Oct 2012 #3
Just think how many hours it took to prep Mitt for that Zinger! FSogol Oct 2012 #4
Hey Mitt -- go fuck yourself in your car elevator Blue Owl Oct 2012 #5
Classic projection, accusing the President of lying, the very thing Romney was Cleita Oct 2012 #6
not your own facts! Flashmann Oct 2012 #7
ZINGER! BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM BAAAAAMMMMM Schema Thing Oct 2012 #8
That little bit of snark was pretty disgusting. Blue_In_AK Oct 2012 #9
And Romney isn't entitled to his own time machine aint_no_life_nowhere Oct 2012 #10
Maybe when he said "you're not entitled to your own facts" BarackTheVote Oct 2012 #11

meow2u3

(24,764 posts)
1. What Rmoney really meant
Thu Oct 4, 2012, 01:06 PM
Oct 2012

Rmoney to Obama: You're not entitled to your own facts; only Ryan and I are entitled to our own facts. It's a privilege only those born rich can enjoy.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
6. Classic projection, accusing the President of lying, the very thing Romney was
Thu Oct 4, 2012, 01:18 PM
Oct 2012

doing, blatantly and without shame.

Flashmann

(2,140 posts)
7. not your own facts!
Thu Oct 4, 2012, 01:44 PM
Oct 2012

These sons of bitches really take "projecting your own weakness",to a whole new level......

Blue_In_AK

(46,436 posts)
9. That little bit of snark was pretty disgusting.
Thu Oct 4, 2012, 02:00 PM
Oct 2012

I'm sure that was one of mitt's zingers that he was breathlessly waiting for the opportunity to use. Apparently he thinks he is entitled to his own airplane AND his own facts. Personally, I was not at all impressed by R$'s manic style.

aint_no_life_nowhere

(21,925 posts)
10. And Romney isn't entitled to his own time machine
Thu Oct 4, 2012, 02:01 PM
Oct 2012

Romney said Obama wasn't entitled to his own "facts". But he wasn't even referring to facts. He was referring to what Romney said he would prospectively do about education...which is nothing. They only become facts in the future when they've come to pass.

Here's what Obama was referring to:

"...Governor Romney, I genuinely believe, cares about education. But when he tells a student that, you know, you should borrow money from your parents to go to college, you know, that indicates the degree to which, you know, there may not be as much of a focus on the fact that folks like myself, folks like Michelle, kids probably who attend University of Denver just don't have that option.

And for us to be able to make sure that they've got that opportunity and they can walk through that door, that is vitally important — not just to those kids. It's how we're going to grow this economy over the long term. ..."

Romney said Obama wasn't entitled to his own facts but he then uses the future tense in describing his interest in education ("I'm not going to cut education funding&quot . A promise of future action is not a fact, unless you have a time machine.

BarackTheVote

(938 posts)
11. Maybe when he said "you're not entitled to your own facts"
Thu Oct 4, 2012, 02:05 PM
Oct 2012

He was referring to when Obama said this: "Governor Romney, I genuinely believe, cares about education."

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