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Wed Oct 3, 2012, 11:25 PM

Star Member Liberal_Stalwart71 (14,151 posts)

Wait a minute, DU!! I take back everything I said. President Obama has a BRILLIANT strategy...

Poker: Don't let your opponent see your hand too early.

I think I'm changing my mind on this. I'm thinking the president is playing chess.

Now that I've thought about it more, I think the president is playing poker.

Maybe Obama is saving the fight for the LAST debate.

And I was discussing the strategy with another friend of mine.

Everyone was saying that Mitt Romney would win this first debate. Everyone basically lowered the bar for him.

I believe that Obama DELIBERATELY did poorly because he know that no matter what he did, he'd lose.

He will go back, take Robme's words and use them against him for the FINAL debate, which will be the economy again.

I think I see a strategy here. I'm trying to understand. I hope that the voters don't become demoralized. I'm guessing that this is what is going on.

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What is Mitt Romney preparing for?

1. Bain
2. The 47%
3. Taxes

Why didn't Obama go after Mitt on these central issues?

Because Obama can STILL use them in commercials. And use Mitt's words from THIS debate against him in ads!!!

I think I got it!! Others are catching on.

You take away the arguments if you bring them up TONIGHT.

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Reply Wait a minute, DU!! I take back everything I said. President Obama has a BRILLIANT strategy... (Original post)
 Liberal_Stalwart71 Oct 2012 OP
LineReply I hope you are right
 Flatpicker Oct 2012 #1
LineReply Silly
 alcibiades_mystery Oct 2012 #2
LineLineReply I hope I'm not being silly. I hope there's a strategy here. Obama lost the debate. There's no
 Liberal_Stalwart71 Oct 2012 #9
LineLineLineReply Moving from silly
 alcibiades_mystery Oct 2012 #11
LineLineLineLineReply Don't call me dumb. Personal attacks make you look silly...and dumb! So stop it!
 Liberal_Stalwart71 Oct 2012 #12
LineLineLineLineLineReply You know what now?
 alcibiades_mystery Oct 2012 #23
LineLineLineLineLineLineReply I'm asking you nicely to stop this.
 Liberal_Stalwart71 Oct 2012 #25
LineLineLineLineLineLineLineReply I'm not sure what you're asking me to stop...I'm nicely commenting on your argument
 alcibiades_mystery Oct 2012 #28
LineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineReply Others here agree with me. Are they dumb, too? Welcome to IGNORE.
 Liberal_Stalwart71 Oct 2012 #30
LineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineReply Go ahead, run to ignore
 alcibiades_mystery Oct 2012 #31
LineLineLineReply I don't think he lost, he just didn't win.
 arikara Oct 2012 #22
LineReply The Democrats always play chess, while
 begin_within Oct 2012 #3
LineLineReply I remember hearing the same kinds of things in 2008
 BlueStreak Oct 2012 #15
LineReply Here's hoping you're right.
 TroglodyteScholar Oct 2012 #4
LineReply Chill
 Sedona Oct 2012 #5
LineLineReply Seriously.
 Indpndnt Oct 2012 #14
LineLineReply +1,000
 TXDemoGal Oct 2012 #18
LineLineReply +1!!!!
 Politicub Oct 2012 #21
LineReply Here's the problem, you don't have to recover from a good start.
 russspeakeasy Oct 2012 #6
LineReply I have been thinking this same thing...
 tallahasseedem Oct 2012 #7
LineLineReply My theory - he was hanging back and really letting Rmoney do the
 kestrel91316 Oct 2012 #27
LineReply I've been thinking the same thing.
 Avalux Oct 2012 #8
LineLineReply And remember, this is being fought in about 3 states now, VA, NV, and
 BlueStreak Oct 2012 #19
LineLineNew Reply Yep, undecided voters- who are they really at this point?
 sirbarksalot Oct 2012 #32
LineLineLineNew Reply They haven't been paying attention.
 Avalux Oct 2012 #33
LineReply I pray to God you're right
 flyguyjake Oct 2012 #10
LineReply Bingo. n/t
 BumRushDaShow Oct 2012 #13
LineLineReply Glad you don't think I'm silly or dumb...
 Liberal_Stalwart71 Oct 2012 #16
LineLineLineNew Reply Of course not
 BumRushDaShow Oct 2012 #36
LineReply My thoughts exactly
 BarackTheVote Oct 2012 #17
LineReply I agree. Obama is the smartest man I know
 Politicub Oct 2012 #20
LineReply Agree and the final debate will be what leaves the biggest impression. nt
 Quixote1818 Oct 2012 #24
LineReply For the love of God! You THINK you are changing your mind on this!
 rufus dog Oct 2012 #26
LineLineReply Yep! It's a playbook that has worked before. Why would it be different now? Hillary is a much better
 Liberal_Stalwart71 Oct 2012 #29
LineNew Reply 1. Avoid central "media" issues 2. Let Romney bully the debate.
 hexola Oct 2012 #34
LineNew Reply Yes, pass on free tv when you can hope someone will watch your commercial
 jsmirman Oct 2012 #35
LineNew Reply Throughout the whole debate,
 mary195149 Oct 2012 #37
LineNew Reply I agree. K & R.
 Care Acutely Oct 2012 #38
LineNew Reply I like your idea, but why couldn't Obama have listened to Romney lie and then called him on it?
 renate Oct 2012 #39
LineNew Reply Coast to Coasts' guests
 ChazII Oct 2012 #40
LineLineNew Reply He looked extremely unstable.
 mary195149 Oct 2012 #41

Response to Liberal_Stalwart71 (Original post)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 11:26 PM

Star Member Flatpicker (515 posts)

1. I hope you are right

I want to believe it. I really do...

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Response to Liberal_Stalwart71 (Original post)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 11:27 PM

Star Member alcibiades_mystery (28,572 posts)

2. Silly

I know you're being sarcastic, but still silly. Silly if serious, silly if sarcastic.

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Response to alcibiades_mystery (Reply #2)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 11:33 PM

Star Member Liberal_Stalwart71 (14,151 posts)

9. I hope I'm not being silly. I hope there's a strategy here. Obama lost the debate. There's no

question about that. He lost. Period.

But there's something else going on. Trust me.

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Response to Liberal_Stalwart71 (Reply #9)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 11:35 PM

Star Member alcibiades_mystery (28,572 posts)

11. Moving from silly

to dumb.

Have fun.

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Response to alcibiades_mystery (Reply #11)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 11:36 PM

Star Member Liberal_Stalwart71 (14,151 posts)

12. Don't call me dumb. Personal attacks make you look silly...and dumb! So stop it!

I know you're frustrated about tonight's event, but there's no need for rudeness.

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Response to Liberal_Stalwart71 (Reply #12)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 11:47 PM

Star Member alcibiades_mystery (28,572 posts)

23. You know what now?

That I'm frustrated? Lawd ha mercy, Stalwart's pulling some Frist-like operation.

By the way, I never called you dumb. I think your post above and argument is dumb, but I'm sure you're a fine and thoughtful fellow on other occasions.

ta-ta.

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Wed Oct 3, 2012, 11:48 PM

Star Member Liberal_Stalwart71 (14,151 posts)

25. I'm asking you nicely to stop this.

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Response to Liberal_Stalwart71 (Reply #25)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 11:52 PM

Star Member alcibiades_mystery (28,572 posts)

28. I'm not sure what you're asking me to stop...I'm nicely commenting on your argument

Your argument seems to be that there is some greater plan that explains what you see as a lost debate. I think that is a silly argument, and that when you restated it, it became a dumb argument. I never made any claim about you at all. In fact, the only one who made any personal comment at all was you, when you 'diagnosed" something like what you imagine (oh, I'm sorry, "know) is my frustration or something.

So, you can ask me to stop all you like, but I think I'm well within bounds to say that your argument here is dumb, however bright you might be on other occasions.

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Response to alcibiades_mystery (Reply #28)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 11:53 PM

Star Member Liberal_Stalwart71 (14,151 posts)

30. Others here agree with me. Are they dumb, too? Welcome to IGNORE.

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Wed Oct 3, 2012, 11:55 PM

Star Member alcibiades_mystery (28,572 posts)

31. Go ahead, run to ignore

Your argument remains dumb.

Since I never said you were dumb, I'm not sure why I would comment on anyone else.

Like I said, ta ta.

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Response to Liberal_Stalwart71 (Reply #9)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 11:46 PM

Star Member arikara (4,069 posts)

22. I don't think he lost, he just didn't win.

It was a snore, in more ways than one... in fact the Mr snored right through it. The only vaguely interesting thing about it was that Romney looked a little crazed sometimes.

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Response to Liberal_Stalwart71 (Original post)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 11:27 PM

begin_within (21,231 posts)

3. The Democrats always play chess, while

the Republicans play war, to kill.

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Response to begin_within (Reply #3)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 11:39 PM

Star Member BlueStreak (4,165 posts)

15. I remember hearing the same kinds of things in 2008

when Obama was running against Hillary.

Don't bet against him based on what you saw tonight. He always has a bigger strategy in mind. And so far, he has won with it -- against Hillary, against McCain, and on many big issues against McConnell and Boehner.

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Response to Liberal_Stalwart71 (Original post)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 11:27 PM

Star Member TroglodyteScholar (4,557 posts)

4. Here's hoping you're right.

Obama was far from aggressive tonight, but I would not be surprised if there was a perfectly good reason for that.

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Wed Oct 3, 2012, 11:27 PM

Star Member Sedona (1,735 posts)

5. Chill

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Wed Oct 3, 2012, 11:38 PM

Star Member Indpndnt (2,311 posts)

14. Seriously.

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Wed Oct 3, 2012, 11:42 PM

TXDemoGal (59 posts)

18. +1,000

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Wed Oct 3, 2012, 11:45 PM

Star Member Politicub (5,918 posts)

21. +1!!!!

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Response to Liberal_Stalwart71 (Original post)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 11:29 PM

Star Member russspeakeasy (5,786 posts)

6. Here's the problem, you don't have to recover from a good start.

Mr. Obama did not get off to a good start.

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Wed Oct 3, 2012, 11:31 PM

Star Member tallahasseedem (4,453 posts)

7. I have been thinking this same thing...

as I have been running around like a madwoman cleaning my house to get out all of my frustrations. It seems calculated. I could be wrong, but I sure hope not!

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Response to tallahasseedem (Reply #7)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 11:52 PM

Star Member kestrel91316 (45,671 posts)

27. My theory - he was hanging back and really letting Rmoney do the

talking in order to HANG HIMSELF with juicy video lies. And he was studying him.

This was like a research project. Gathering data.

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Wed Oct 3, 2012, 11:31 PM

Star Member Avalux (28,986 posts)

8. I've been thinking the same thing.

The American public has a short attention span.

Also, post-debate, we will only see pictures (Romney looks crazed), and tiny snippet soundbytes. I just say one on my local news that looks good for Obama.

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Wed Oct 3, 2012, 11:42 PM

Star Member BlueStreak (4,165 posts)

19. And remember, this is being fought in about 3 states now, VA, NV, and

maybe IA, SC, or FL.

It doesn't matter what people in Texas thought of the debate. Obama got some new ammunition to help in those last several swing states he needs to lock down.

Now, if 5 days from now, Ohio and Wisconsin are back within the MOE, that could be a problem.

But if they aren't, then chill.

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Response to Avalux (Reply #8)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 12:07 AM

Star Member sirbarksalot (16 posts)

32. Yep, undecided voters- who are they really at this point?

Do we honestly believe that they are cautious, carefully informed citizens who have been studiously following all of the issues throughout the campaign? Are they relying on these debates to sort out those subtle differences between the candidates so that they can make up their minds? I doubt it. Many of them probably form a lot of their opinions on the basis of sound bites. There will be a lot of sound bites following the fact checking. Who will win that particular battle? I don't think it will be Romney. Only time will tell, but I think was a very strategically fought battle on the part of the president.

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Response to sirbarksalot (Reply #32)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 12:14 AM

Star Member Avalux (28,986 posts)

33. They haven't been paying attention.

The election is won in the long term, not in a 90 minute bombardment. The next few days will be interesting....

Welcome to DU!

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Response to Liberal_Stalwart71 (Original post)

Wed Oct 3, 2012, 11:34 PM

flyguyjake (492 posts)

10. I pray to God you're right

 

because I'm just flabbergasted!

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Wed Oct 3, 2012, 11:38 PM

Star Member BumRushDaShow (12,016 posts)

13. Bingo. n/t

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Wed Oct 3, 2012, 11:40 PM

Star Member Liberal_Stalwart71 (14,151 posts)

16. Glad you don't think I'm silly or dumb...

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Thu Oct 4, 2012, 12:22 AM

Star Member BumRushDaShow (12,016 posts)

36. Of course not



He will gradually do a crescendo right through to the last debate, where he'll deliver his fanfare.

He's a better Harvard lawyer than Rmoney (and he taught Law).

I remember back in 2007/2008 when he was first running, where they said that in one of his classes, he liked to have 2 students take opposite sides of an issue, and then he would sit back and watch them debate in order to give him ideas to make a decision on a next course of action. So he knows the whys and wherefores of technical debating.

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Wed Oct 3, 2012, 11:41 PM

BarackTheVote (560 posts)

17. My thoughts exactly

He was collecting sound-bites as Romney put his foot in his mouth over and over and over again.

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Wed Oct 3, 2012, 11:44 PM

Star Member Politicub (5,918 posts)

20. I agree. Obama is the smartest man I know

I would never bet against our president.

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Wed Oct 3, 2012, 11:47 PM

Star Member Quixote1818 (16,625 posts)

24. Agree and the final debate will be what leaves the biggest impression. nt

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Wed Oct 3, 2012, 11:51 PM

Star Member rufus dog (4,946 posts)

26. For the love of God! You THINK you are changing your mind on this!

How many times have we seen him do this.

With Hillary, during the HC debate, everyone goes batshit mother fucking crazy about what he should be doing, then he comes in at the end and makes the push. It is getting friggen boring to watch his strategy at this point.

Yo Obama, change up the playbook, I have seen this one before.

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Wed Oct 3, 2012, 11:53 PM

Star Member Liberal_Stalwart71 (14,151 posts)

29. Yep! It's a playbook that has worked before. Why would it be different now? Hillary is a much better

debater than Mitt Romney!!

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Thu Oct 4, 2012, 12:15 AM

hexola (2,884 posts)

34. 1. Avoid central "media" issues 2. Let Romney bully the debate.

These seem like planned strategy points...

Rope a Dope?

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Thu Oct 4, 2012, 12:16 AM

Star Member jsmirman (4,188 posts)

35. Yes, pass on free tv when you can hope someone will watch your commercial

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Thu Oct 4, 2012, 01:32 AM

Star Member mary195149 (379 posts)

37. Throughout the whole debate,

Last edited Thu Oct 4, 2012, 01:42 AM USA/ET - Edit history (1)

I was watching Obama let Romney get away with his lies and not aggressively calling him on them. Of course, it seemed like Obama had bigger plans for Romney. Obama is just way too smart to let Romney get away with this. We would of all liked to see instant results, but we have to trust Obama, it's all in the timing.
Weeks before the debate, Romney kept warning the public that the debates would be challenging for him as he would be up against Obama who doesn't tell the truth.
I think Obama has enough info at this time. Let the ads begin!!
Starting out with Romney calling Obama a person who does not tell the truth and then going on to Romneys' Contradictions.
Romney vs Romney. Who is the real Romney??

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Thu Oct 4, 2012, 01:38 AM

Star Member Care Acutely (1,370 posts)

38. I agree. K & R.

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Response to Liberal_Stalwart71 (Original post)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 01:45 AM

renate (7,948 posts)

39. I like your idea, but why couldn't Obama have listened to Romney lie and then called him on it?

He'd have the sound bites and lies to be fact-checked and made into commercials, but he'd have shut those lies down before they sunk into the heads of anybody who's still undecided.

The lies may turn out to be Romney's undoing in the long term, but I really don't think this was a clever tactic on Obama's part. He doesn't respect Romney and took too much for granted about how easy he should have been to beat in the debate. Luckily, he won't make that mistake next time. He's a competitive guy and he will NOT let this happen again.

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Response to Liberal_Stalwart71 (Original post)

Thu Oct 4, 2012, 01:49 AM

ChazII (3,169 posts)

40. Coast to Coasts' guests

are saying the same thing. That it is a strategy that Pres. Obama is using and they felt he was getting Romney to talk more than necessary. I know that Coast to Coast is usually for the weird and paranormal but tonight they did get political for what it is worth.

BTW - the three guests all agreed that Romney was on something.

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Thu Oct 4, 2012, 02:05 AM

Star Member mary195149 (379 posts)

41. He looked extremely unstable.

I wouldn't feel safe with him in the White House.

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