Can we talk about after Pres Obama wins re-election...?

[Bigmack]

What should progressives/Democrats say? What should we do?

Part of me says... Grind their noses into the shit they have made of their party. Go after them and never let them forget what a minority/extremist group they are. Assholes like Limbaugh and Hannity will tell them Romney just wasn't conservative enough. We should stay on them like ugly on ape.

Another part of me says ignore them. Let demographic changes take care of our heavy lifting.

So... should we keep fighting the Rightwingnuts, or should we save our fighting energies for the struggles to come with global climate change, peak oil, environmental degradation, food shortages, poverty...

[Angry Dragon]

1. You need to grind them into the ground otherwise

they will try to stop anything good

[B Calm]

2. Hopefully will win back control

of congress and then we'll just drag them along into the future.

[gateley]

3. Depending on how the House and Senate races go, we may end up much like the first term --

Outraged and fighting the obstructionism. Granted, they don't have to worry about another Obama term, but they'll do all they can to keep the Dems from accomplishing anything so they can get their guy into the WH in 2016.

[Bigmack]

4. Who do they have..? Re-treads from 2012..? And Repubs are getting fewer in number every year. nt

[gateley]

5. I don't know, but they have four years to create someone.

[GObamaGO]

6. How about we talk about GOTV

We can talk about after the election after the election.

[OSPREYXIV]

7. Roadmap for the Future.

Excellent question! Moot without the House.
The Occupy phenomenon demonstrated the fallacy of leaderless resistance. Obama's also
hampered by a similar philosophical approach.
The struggle begins with reforming campaign finance. If Dems control all three of the elected
branches and nothing is done about exposing corrupt practices, it'll make no differrnce at all.

I've wondered if Mitt is a diversion in light of the much more serious concern which is that we have
no way of dealing with the "hot" money that has flooded our system. Computerization brought us the return of a Wild West mentality where the are no laws in cyberspace. (The Greeks word for this was enantiodromia: what goes round, comes round.) That goes a long way toward explaining why there's such a disconnect between what we see and hear vs. what the elites actually do. For a guy who proclaims he's a grass roots kind of guy, we don't seem to have gotten much respect for our plight other than bromides, platitudes and the occasional moments when there's a pause
for a pose so the still photographers.

Three things need to be done over the next few decades. 1) start the reconstruction of the rail system as a high-speed alternative to accomodate passengers. Seven or eight inter-urban routes would be the logical targets. Forget Detroit. They owe us, we saved their ass. There are too many cars and we've ruined the ecosystems serving the insatiable greed of these bumblers. They have to go all-electric asap. The real numbers on global warming are terrifying and we have not got a moment to lose. The best idea out there is the development of an automotive power source that allows us to use 80% of the energy in CH4,
methane. Burning it uses about 27%. Wastes it. Fuel cells that need no hydrogen conversion are 1/6th the weight of an ICE. Finally, an intelligent vehicle is possible. The result if those two ideas are implemented: the cities become important once more and suburbs consolidate. We need to build denser habitats to save energy and make our lives more connected again.
Second long-term project that must be given our utmost attention is the agribusiness colossus. Our monotypic focus on producing genetically modified food which is used to make ethanol for automotive fuel is a profane practice. More energy is consumed in producing it than is made
burning it. Meanwhile, Syria is burning down for a reason no one in our "news" services seems to've bothered to discover: the Assad II regime has let the irrigation system deteriorate to a point where there has been an almost total collapse of their agricultural system. Most of rural Syria was forced to emigrate internally to the cities where they are slowly starving to death on bread and soft drinks.
Would a Roosevelt or even Eisengower have kept quiet while mass murder was underway and we could at least alleviate human suffering with real foreign aid, not some less-than-subtle attempt at corporate colonization under the guise of aid that winds up enriching local oligarchs and agents of the vampire squids? Meanwhile, have you seen anything being done oossibility possibility that the next summer will outstrip this one in terms of record heat? Nothing. Leaders plan ahead and take us there after informing us of their intent to see if there's consensus. We are not being led, we are veing managed. There's a huge difference and we are paying for our self-indulgence. We have to redesign our agriviz industry and start a serious reforestation effort on a global scale or we've had it. The planet is drying up faster than we realize.
Third long-term object is to retain our overall lead in aerospace for a host of reasons. It generates a substantial technical leverage with sweepout that means for every primary production job, there are at least a dozen created.
That's it.
We bring manufacturing back to America, there will be a return of healthy jobs. Leave it to the leeches, they'll do what they always do, kill the golden goose for dinner.
We are entitled to real representation and we have the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. The real battle commences on the first Wednesday in November.