Mon Sep 24, 2012, 04:17 PM
Saviolo (99 posts)
One of the many ways we're screwed.
This news is a little old, but this is the first I've heard about it. It's hard to believe that this could happen, but... then again, it's not so hard to believe.
Here's the story: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/energy/oilandgas/7862246/How-a-broker-spent-520m-in-a-drunken-stupor-and-moved-the-global-oil-price.html To paraphrase, a brokerage employee during a drunken blackout state traded so much money on oil futures that it changed the price of oil globally. One man, while incoherently drunk. Some excerpts (emphasis mine): It was 7.45am on June 30 last year when the senior, longstanding broker for PVM Oil Futures was contacted by an admin clerk querying why he'd bought 7m barrels of crude in the middle of the night. Let's put that into perspective. $1.50 increase on a barrel of oil means that some people had to decide between filling their car to go to work or eating that week. Did people their jobs because they couldn't afford the gas to get to them? Did people die because they couldn't afford oil to heat their homes. This one man pushed oil prices up -globally-. I'd say he deserves a harsher punishment than what is indicated in the article, but the problem is systemic. Brokers and corporations all have their collective twitchy finger on the same button. But no, they want to be deregulated further. They want no oversight. They want the inmates to run the asylum.
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| Author | Time | Post | |
| Saviolo | Sep 2012 | OP | |
| a geek named Bob | Sep 2012 | #1 | |
| Saviolo | Sep 2012 | #2 | |
| a geek named Bob | Sep 2012 | #3 | |
| Warren DeMontague | Sep 2012 | #22 | |
| SheilaT | Sep 2012 | #4 | |
| a geek named Bob | Sep 2012 | #5 | |
| Saviolo | Sep 2012 | #7 | |
| a geek named Bob | Sep 2012 | #8 | |
| progressoid | Sep 2012 | #15 | |
| a geek named Bob | Sep 2012 | #16 | |
| progressoid | Sep 2012 | #18 | |
| a geek named Bob | Sep 2012 | #19 | |
| progressoid | Sep 2012 | #20 | |
| a geek named Bob | Sep 2012 | #21 | |
| progressoid | Sep 2012 | #23 | |
| a geek named Bob | Sep 2012 | #24 | |
| LanternWaste | Sep 2012 | #27 | |
| a geek named Bob | Sep 2012 | #29 | |
| JNelson6563 | Sep 2012 | #6 | |
| a geek named Bob | Sep 2012 | #9 | |
| JNelson6563 | Sep 2012 | #11 | |
| a geek named Bob | Sep 2012 | #12 | |
| mbperrin | Sep 2012 | #14 | |
| a geek named Bob | Sep 2012 | #17 | |
| mbperrin | Sep 2012 | #25 | |
| a geek named Bob | Sep 2012 | #26 | |
| unblock | Sep 2012 | #10 | |
| HopeHoops | Sep 2012 | #13 | |
| RagAss | Sep 2012 | #28 |
Response to Saviolo (Original post)
Mon Sep 24, 2012, 04:23 PM
a geek named Bob (2,715 posts)
1. so make the switch to EV or bio-diesel, or hydrogen...
Response to a geek named Bob (Reply #1)
Mon Sep 24, 2012, 04:28 PM
Saviolo (99 posts)
2. Not the switch that needs to be made
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It's not so much the oil that's a concern. It's that one person at a brokerage firm has the ability to change the global economy while drunkenly incoherent. And there are tons of people with that power, each, individually.
How do we know they're not drunks, or crazy, or depressed... |
Response to Saviolo (Reply #2)
Mon Sep 24, 2012, 04:29 PM
a geek named Bob (2,715 posts)
3. by making that switch, you remove their power over you
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at least a little bit
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Response to Saviolo (Reply #2)
Thu Sep 27, 2012, 06:51 PM
Warren DeMontague (46,292 posts)
22. Because addicts are always at the mercy of the dealer. Always.
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The answer is not to find a better dealer. The answer is to stop the addiction.
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Response to Saviolo (Original post)
Mon Sep 24, 2012, 04:36 PM
SheilaT (12,447 posts)
4. $1.50 increase on the barrel
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increases the price at the fuel pump by how much?
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Response to SheilaT (Reply #4)
Mon Sep 24, 2012, 04:38 PM
a geek named Bob (2,715 posts)
5. about 3 extra pennies
Response to a geek named Bob (Reply #5)
Mon Sep 24, 2012, 05:06 PM
Saviolo (99 posts)
7. That adds up
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When you consider it was caused by one person in about half an hour, and affected the world oil price.
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Response to Saviolo (Reply #7)
Mon Sep 24, 2012, 05:08 PM
a geek named Bob (2,715 posts)
8. oh jebbers christmas
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3 cents won't break many people...
Are we really going to play repetition of alarming first statements? |
Response to a geek named Bob (Reply #8)
Thu Sep 27, 2012, 05:41 PM
progressoid (27,292 posts)
15. Lucky for you.
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Three cents won't break you. I've seen people cry at the pump because they couldn't afford the gas to get to work. I once paid the extra $1.55 for a woman's gas because she had accidentally over-pumped and had no way to pay those few pennies.
Every cent counts for a lot of America. And if we just sit back a say, it's only 3 cents, the Wall Streeters, drunk on more than booze will continue to fuck the rest of us until there are no cents left. |
Response to progressoid (Reply #15)
Thu Sep 27, 2012, 06:21 PM
a geek named Bob (2,715 posts)
16. sounds like a slippery slope argument... n/t
Response to a geek named Bob (Reply #16)
Thu Sep 27, 2012, 06:25 PM
progressoid (27,292 posts)
18. Hmmm
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nope.
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Response to progressoid (Reply #18)
Thu Sep 27, 2012, 06:32 PM
a geek named Bob (2,715 posts)
19. Could I ask an imposition of you, and ask you to
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further develop your answer?
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Response to a geek named Bob (Reply #19)
Thu Sep 27, 2012, 06:34 PM
progressoid (27,292 posts)
20. I was going to ask the same of you.
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Where's the slippery slope?
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Response to progressoid (Reply #20)
Thu Sep 27, 2012, 06:37 PM
a geek named Bob (2,715 posts)
21. glad to oblige...
Every cent counts for a lot of America. And if we just sit back a say, it's only 3 cents, the Wall Streeters, drunk on more than booze will continue to fuck the rest of us until there are no cents left. From http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/slippery-slope.html Description of Slippery Slope The Slippery Slope is a fallacy in which a person asserts that some event must inevitably follow from another without any argument for the inevitability of the event in question. In most cases, there are a series of steps or gradations between one event and the one in question and no reason is given as to why the intervening steps or gradations will simply be bypassed. This "argument" has the following form: Event X has occurred (or will or might occur). Therefore event Y will inevitably happen. |
Response to a geek named Bob (Reply #21)
Thu Sep 27, 2012, 07:04 PM
progressoid (27,292 posts)
23. Funny thing is, we've been going down an actual slope.
Certainly I don't think they will completely bleed us dry. Nor does the blame belong only on Wall Street. But a few pennies here and a few more there, multiplied by thousands of people over decades adds up. That's me on that pale blue line. Like many Americans, I work harder today than I did twenty years ago and I make less. So, yeah - that's a slope I been on for a long time and I'm getting sick of it. |
Response to progressoid (Reply #23)
Thu Sep 27, 2012, 07:07 PM
a geek named Bob (2,715 posts)
24. then maybe we should change tactics...
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1.) start up linked local currencies
2.) more local foods 3.) cheap energy Those would make it tougher for the FIRE guys to bleed us. |
Response to a geek named Bob (Reply #8)
Fri Sep 28, 2012, 11:08 AM
LanternWaste (16,310 posts)
27. I'm not aware of too many people who purchase merely one gallon of gas..
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3 cents most likely won't break too many people if that figure is alone and absolute. Yet I'm not aware of too many people who purchase merely one gallon of gas...
However, I do understand that we often attempt to minimize or trivialize those things which, when looked at collectively, become figures with a gross aggregate of billions world-wide to better reinforce our own opinions. |
Response to LanternWaste (Reply #27)
Fri Sep 28, 2012, 01:00 PM
a geek named Bob (2,715 posts)
29. okay, let's try this...
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3 pennies added to 4 dollars.
3/400 = .75 percent raise. That's pretty much random background noise. Somebody getting rich off background noise doesn't stoke my fires... |
Response to Saviolo (Original post)
Mon Sep 24, 2012, 05:06 PM
JNelson6563 (24,766 posts)
6. Public floggings would put a fast stop
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to that kind of shit. And all property confiscated & donated to the poor.
Fucker. |
Response to JNelson6563 (Reply #6)
Mon Sep 24, 2012, 05:09 PM
a geek named Bob (2,715 posts)
9. what a wonderfully nuanced strategy
Response to a geek named Bob (Reply #9)
Mon Sep 24, 2012, 07:39 PM
JNelson6563 (24,766 posts)
11. I'm nothing if not subtle.
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Response to JNelson6563 (Reply #11)
Mon Sep 24, 2012, 09:11 PM
a geek named Bob (2,715 posts)
12. Why not just take the guy out into a field and shoot him?
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public flogging and confiscation of all of his worldly goods would most likely make a committed enemy.
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Response to a geek named Bob (Reply #12)
Thu Sep 27, 2012, 05:18 PM
mbperrin (6,784 posts)
14. I'll be happy to take him, shoot him, anyone else he's trained, and anyone
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who might be carrying his DNA.
I'm a tad bit disgusted that a drunk can waste more money in a night than most people will earn in a lifetime. We don't hesitate to get rid of mold in the bathroom. Why give more consideration to this more-costly fungus? |
Response to mbperrin (Reply #14)
Thu Sep 27, 2012, 06:23 PM
a geek named Bob (2,715 posts)
17. mbperrin... I wouldn't want to visit the sins of the father on the kids
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Last edited Thu Sep 27, 2012, 06:31 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1) I figure we could make it look like a mugging gone bad...
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Response to a geek named Bob (Reply #17)
Thu Sep 27, 2012, 07:23 PM
mbperrin (6,784 posts)
25. Well...okay, but you are a better person than I am.
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Response to mbperrin (Reply #25)
Thu Sep 27, 2012, 07:27 PM
a geek named Bob (2,715 posts)
26. Thnak you good sir/madam...
Response to Saviolo (Original post)
Mon Sep 24, 2012, 05:12 PM
unblock (23,755 posts)
10. it's mind-boggling to me the companies themselves don't have tighter controls.
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sure, i think the government should impose more regulation because companies have demonstrated a willful negligence in terms of self-monitoring, but take a at this situation, or better yet, the bofa debacle.
bofa lost BILLIONS due to a trades that never should have happened. that means, simply put, bofa could have spent, literally, A BILLION DOLLARS on internal oversight, software and personnel and practices that prevent unauthorized trades and so on, and come out ahead. trading companies continue to know these risks and yet they continue to fail to spend anything REMOTELY like this to prevent them. not saying they should spend that much, hell, maybe $50 million or so is way more than enough. point is, they have no excuse not to spent whatever it takes. yet they don't. |
Response to Saviolo (Original post)
Tue Sep 25, 2012, 12:21 PM
HopeHoops (47,675 posts)
13. Spiking the punch, eh?
Response to Saviolo (Original post)
Fri Sep 28, 2012, 11:49 AM
RagAss (13,408 posts)

