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Wed Sep 19, 2012, 01:09 PM

Star Member trailmonkee (2,595 posts)

Ugh! Senate GOP just KILLED $1b Veterans Job's bill, Dem's feel 2 votes shy of 60

Last edited Wed Sep 19, 2012, 01:20 PM USA/ET - Edit history (2)

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/congress/republican-objections-to-spending-in-veterans-jobs-bill-blocks-election-year-legislation/2012/09/19/cd14cd0a-0279-11e2-9132-f2750cd65f97_story.html

http://www.rollcall.com/news/senate_gop_blocks_veterans_jobs_bill-217685-1.html?pos=hln

Senate Veterans' Affairs Chairwoman Patty Murray (D-Wash.) said the cost of the bill, $1 billion over five years, is offset. She noted that a vote to block the measure is tantamount to saying the nation has done enough for veterans.

"A vote to support this point of order says that despite the fact that we have paid for this bill, despite the fact that one in four young veterans are out of work, despite the fact that veterans suicides are outpacing combat deaths, and despite the fact that more and more veterans are coming home, we are not going to invest in these challenges," Murray said.

The nation owes veterans "more than just a pat on the back for their service," she continued. "We owe them more than bumper stickers and platitudes. We owe them more than procedural roadblocks that will impede our ability to provide help now and into the future. We owe them action."

Murray continued: "We owe them real investments that will help get them back to work. And that's what this bill does."

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Reply Ugh! Senate GOP just KILLED $1b Veterans Job's bill, Dem's feel 2 votes shy of 60 (Original post)
 trailmonkee Sep 2012 OP
LineReply Next Dem political ad on this will be devastating to the GOP..hopefully. nt
 nanabugg Sep 2012 #1
LineLineReply I'm hitting Dallas with it right now.
 w8liftinglady Sep 2012 #3
LineReply Enough of this Bullshit,
 Wellstone ruled Sep 2012 #2
LineLineReply yup
 Victor_c3 Sep 2012 #8
LineReply I STILL don't get it that a simple majority of 100 is now 60.
 SheilaT Sep 2012 #4
LineLineReply i agree.
 barbtries Sep 2012 #7
LineLineLineReply Except the the Democrats have NEVER
 SheilaT Sep 2012 #18
LineLineLineLineReply i know that they have not.
 barbtries Sep 2012 #19
LineLineReply Totally agree.
 GulleyJimson Sep 2012 #29
LineLineReply every time they pull something stupid like this
 PatrynXX Sep 2012 #38
LineLineNew Reply It's the new math they used to talk about.
 Liberal Veteran Sep 2012 #44
LineReply the republicans in congress
 barbtries Sep 2012 #5
LineReply "Republicans say the effort to help veterans is noble, but the bill is flawed."
 nc4bo Sep 2012 #6
LineLineReply FUCK those lying traitors--they do anything to cut off success
 librechik Sep 2012 #11
LineLineLineReply No problem - I agree 1000%. It is traitorous and extremely un-American.
 nc4bo Sep 2012 #16
LineLineReply Holy #%@$
 maxrandb Sep 2012 #26
LineReply They Voted Against The Troops!
 Gold Metal Flake Sep 2012 #9
LineReply Wait till January 20, 2013. Call me Pollyanna, but we might get the House back too
 NightWatcher Sep 2012 #10
LineReply Zero GOP support for veterans for wars they started.
 Panasonic Sep 2012 #12
LineReply Lets have that ideological debate out in the open where everyone can see it then.
 Blue Idaho Sep 2012 #13
LineReply And probably no one but Rachel will cover it on TV.
 annabanana Sep 2012 #14
LineReply I sure hope Obama has coattails.
 ananda Sep 2012 #15
LineReply Post the article to FB please. Note that they're stopping vets from becoming firemen and poilce.
 nolabear Sep 2012 #17
LineReply We need to list EVERY Republican who voted against this.
 w8liftinglady Sep 2012 #20
LineReply And the GOPpers want to attack Iran!
 Iliyah Sep 2012 #21
LineReply WTF!!!!!!
 ruffburr Sep 2012 #22
LineReply I'll never join
 Scalded Nun Sep 2012 #23
LineReply "A vote to support this point of order "
 justgamma Sep 2012 #24
LineReply Man, this close to the election... I'd be making an
 glowing Sep 2012 #25
LineReply Here's how it looked
 Iwillnevergiveup Sep 2012 #27
LineLineReply And John McCain
 atreides1 Sep 2012 #36
LineLineNew Reply Thanks for this!
 BlueMTexpat Sep 2012 #42
LineReply I think my blood pressure just shot up 10 points.
 Barack_America Sep 2012 #28
LineReply Well, if the vets don't work, they can't buy any beer at the VFW...
 Hubert Flottz Sep 2012 #30
LineReply What was that old Kissinger quote?
 B Calm Sep 2012 #31
LineReply Patty Murray is the vets best friend...she will be a real mama grizzly
 Generic Other Sep 2012 #32
LineLineReply Only thing that means something
 Cha Sep 2012 #35
LineReply I surely hope the VETS are
 Cha Sep 2012 #33
LineReply BOTH
 oliverrams1 Sep 2012 #34
LineReply This needs to viral Now!
 Elwood P Dowd Sep 2012 #37
LineLineNew Reply I wonder what's taking so long!
 trailmonkee Sep 2012 #40
LineNew Reply re:Ugh! Senate GOP just KILLED $1b Veterans Job's bill, Dem's feel 2 votes shy of 60
 allan01 Sep 2012 #39
LineLineNew Reply Does anyone have the roll call record? If so distribute it far and wide. nt
 bluestate10 Sep 2012 #48
LineNew Reply Rove wants the blue dogs out so he can put Republicans in.
 ancianita Sep 2012 #41
LineNew Reply Absolutely horrific and disgusting...
 -Steph- Sep 2012 #43
LineNew Reply What the
 outsideworld Sep 2012 #45
LineNew Reply Kick for the evening crowd (nt)
 Elwood P Dowd Sep 2012 #46
LineNew Reply republicans don't give a shit about veterans...they use them for war and photo ops
 spanone Sep 2012 #47

Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Wed Sep 19, 2012, 01:10 PM

nanabugg (2,198 posts)

1. Next Dem political ad on this will be devastating to the GOP..hopefully. nt

 

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Wed Sep 19, 2012, 01:16 PM

Star Member w8liftinglady (23,014 posts)

3. I'm hitting Dallas with it right now.

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Response to trailmonkee (Original post)

Wed Sep 19, 2012, 01:15 PM

Wellstone ruled (1,154 posts)

2. Enough of this Bullshit,

V FW,Legion,where to hell are you. Oh that's right,you always kiss the GOP's ass. What a disgrace.

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Response to Wellstone ruled (Reply #2)

Wed Sep 19, 2012, 01:25 PM

Star Member Victor_c3 (793 posts)

8. yup

and to think I joined and paid the liftime membership fee to the VFW 8 years ago before I saw stuff like this.

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Wed Sep 19, 2012, 01:17 PM

Star Member SheilaT (12,447 posts)

4. I STILL don't get it that a simple majority of 100 is now 60.

Or did several more states get admitted to the union while I wasn't looking?

I wish that every single time the Repubs block legislation that ought to be passing by a simple majority, the Democrats would go very public with it. Very. Force them to do a real filibuster. Make them spend hours and hours reading from the phone book.

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Response to SheilaT (Reply #4)

Wed Sep 19, 2012, 01:22 PM

Star Member barbtries (15,011 posts)

7. i agree.

sad to say i think the Dems are not pushing back hard enough because they'll be doing the same damn thing if republicans gain the majority.

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Wed Sep 19, 2012, 02:11 PM

Star Member SheilaT (12,447 posts)

18. Except the the Democrats have NEVER

been remotely this obstructionist. Never.

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Wed Sep 19, 2012, 02:41 PM

Star Member barbtries (15,011 posts)

19. i know that they have not.

but i can't think of a reason otherwise.

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Wed Sep 19, 2012, 03:17 PM

GulleyJimson (107 posts)

29. Totally agree.

 

Bernie Sanders filibustered December 10, 2010 and stupid legislation passed anyway. The threat of filibuster has become a 'gentleman's agreement' to kill a bill. Democrats without cojones.

As Gomer Pyle once said, "shame, shame, shame!"

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Wed Sep 19, 2012, 03:48 PM

PatrynXX (2,560 posts)

38. every time they pull something stupid like this

is why when I make a prediction that Obama gets the white house and the Dems get the House. I can't say who gets the Senate. The conservatives have to be tossed. Including conservadems. Until that happens. shit like this will remain.

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Wed Sep 19, 2012, 04:13 PM

Liberal Veteran (20,369 posts)

44. It's the new math they used to talk about.

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Wed Sep 19, 2012, 01:21 PM

Star Member barbtries (15,011 posts)

5. the republicans in congress

i just can't think of a way to express how much i loathe those fuckwads.

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Wed Sep 19, 2012, 01:21 PM

Star Member nc4bo (13,355 posts)

6. "Republicans say the effort to help veterans is noble, but the bill is flawed."

Last edited Wed Sep 19, 2012, 01:24 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1)

Flawed? Republicans say the spending violates limits that Congress agreed to last year.

Sounds lame.

Dems really need to hammer it that the Republican Congress have conspired to destroy all hopes of economic recovery.

Polls are still showing that Americans are disgusted with Congress but media coverage never goes any further than that. Here's one of the reason! I think it's time to use some of that dry powder!

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Wed Sep 19, 2012, 01:27 PM

Star Member librechik (25,004 posts)

11. FUCK those lying traitors--they do anything to cut off success

so that Obama will look bad. What unAmerican jerks/ And I'm talking about the FUCKING BLUE DOGS who voted against this bill. I hope they lose and lose bad in their districts--and not to any FUCKING CREEPUBLICANS either.

DAMN IT TO HELL!!!


oh excuse me I just had to get that out.

Go to your districts and vote the Creepubs and Blue Dogs out of office or we'll never get change!

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Response to librechik (Reply #11)

Wed Sep 19, 2012, 01:31 PM

Star Member nc4bo (13,355 posts)

16. No problem - I agree 1000%. It is traitorous and extremely un-American.

and yes, the Blue dogs are a curse!

The lot of them need to be taken to the woodshed.

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Wed Sep 19, 2012, 03:12 PM

maxrandb (5,237 posts)

26. Holy #%@$

They block a $1B Bill designed to help Veterans????!!!!!

$1 Billion is like a Ten-Dollar Bill to Romney's and Repubs deep-pocket boosters!

Did Boehner cry???

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Wed Sep 19, 2012, 01:25 PM

Gold Metal Flake (13,776 posts)

9. They Voted Against The Troops!

Unbelievable.

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Wed Sep 19, 2012, 01:27 PM

Star Member NightWatcher (20,428 posts)

10. Wait till January 20, 2013. Call me Pollyanna, but we might get the House back too

along with a few more Senate seats.

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Wed Sep 19, 2012, 01:28 PM

Star Member Panasonic (2,921 posts)

12. Zero GOP support for veterans for wars they started.

 

Great.

Next time they start a war, the veteran support better be 100% or they'll find themselves in the middle of a war they started.

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Wed Sep 19, 2012, 01:29 PM

Star Member Blue Idaho (1,096 posts)

13. Lets have that ideological debate out in the open where everyone can see it then.

Who is looking out for America's war veterans, senior citizens, very young, very old, and very sick and who is looking out for the tax advantages of the richest of the rich.

To hell with conservatism, its greedy, its spiteful, and its unpatriotic.

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Wed Sep 19, 2012, 01:29 PM

Star Member annabanana (45,567 posts)

14. And probably no one but Rachel will cover it on TV.

A loud broadcast of THIS would

1) help the veterans and

2) Point up the need to adjust the filibuster rule

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Wed Sep 19, 2012, 01:30 PM

Star Member ananda (12,520 posts)

15. I sure hope Obama has coattails.

nt

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Wed Sep 19, 2012, 01:33 PM

Star Member nolabear (14,700 posts)

17. Post the article to FB please. Note that they're stopping vets from becoming firemen and poilce.

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Wed Sep 19, 2012, 02:44 PM

Star Member w8liftinglady (23,014 posts)

20. We need to list EVERY Republican who voted against this.

I made sure DMN knows Cornyn and Hutchison did.

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Wed Sep 19, 2012, 02:49 PM

Iliyah (2,348 posts)

21. And the GOPpers want to attack Iran!

Go figure. GOPpers want to use the military for profit but when it comes to helping the veterans - they say FUCK YOU!

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Wed Sep 19, 2012, 02:50 PM

ruffburr (312 posts)

22. WTF!!!!!!

Just when i think i've seen all these tea bag repubs are capable of obstructing they pull this ????? What ASS-HATS!!!!

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Wed Sep 19, 2012, 02:51 PM

Scalded Nun (71 posts)

23. I'll never join

the VFW or Legion. I put in over 20 years and I'll be damned if I'll join groups that just want to suck right-wing ass. They no longer can effectively represent the Veterans. Leadership within has been bought and paid for.

Wingers do not support the Vet. They might wave a flag, they might put on a bumper sticker. There ends their support. Wingers talk the talk, but very few ever walk the walk. Blood-lust as long as it is someone else's blood.

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Wed Sep 19, 2012, 03:10 PM

Star Member justgamma (2,557 posts)

24. "A vote to support this point of order "

Them's pretty words. Now call it what it is! Another Con filibuster blocking legislation.

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Wed Sep 19, 2012, 03:12 PM

Star Member glowing (11,129 posts)

25. Man, this close to the election... I'd be making an

adAna's against these Unpatriotic republicans not supporting Veterans.

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Wed Sep 19, 2012, 03:14 PM

Star Member Iwillnevergiveup (5,813 posts)

27. Here's how it looked

No Democrat defected and even Joe LIEberman voted for.

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=112&session=2&vote=00193

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Wed Sep 19, 2012, 03:38 PM

Star Member atreides1 (10,171 posts)

36. And John McCain

That stalworth supporter of veterans voted Nay...but when it's more important to suck up and kiss ass, no one even comes close to "The Most Irrelevant Man in the World."

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Wed Sep 19, 2012, 04:00 PM

BlueMTexpat (2,594 posts)

42. Thanks for this!

I just posted it on my FB page.

Shame on those who voted against.

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Wed Sep 19, 2012, 03:15 PM

Star Member Barack_America (24,436 posts)

28. I think my blood pressure just shot up 10 points.

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Wed Sep 19, 2012, 03:19 PM

Hubert Flottz (36,724 posts)

30. Well, if the vets don't work, they can't buy any beer at the VFW...

and the VFW and other veteran's organizations, won't be able to contribute to the GOP's political coffers and the pissed off vets, might not flock around people like Mitt and W and grin like big decked out pet possums, for the republican photo ops.

I'm a vet BTW, so put away your flame thrower.

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Wed Sep 19, 2012, 03:21 PM

Star Member B Calm (17,277 posts)

31. What was that old Kissinger quote?

He said something about the people in the military that kinda went like this. They're just dumb stupid animals to be used for foreign corporate interests.

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Wed Sep 19, 2012, 03:22 PM

Star Member Generic Other (20,300 posts)

32. Patty Murray is the vets best friend...she will be a real mama grizzly

They don't care about African Americans, Latinos, Women, Union Workers, and now even GIs mean nothing to them. Who is left to vote for them? Maybe they plan to outsource the vote too?

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Wed Sep 19, 2012, 03:37 PM

Star Member Cha (124,542 posts)

35. Only thing that means something

to the teabaggers is their rich benefactors.

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Wed Sep 19, 2012, 03:36 PM

Star Member Cha (124,542 posts)

33. I surely hope the VETS are

made aware of this. And, the fucking reCONS can't STOP saying they "support the VETS".

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Wed Sep 19, 2012, 03:36 PM

oliverrams1 (60 posts)

34. BOTH

OF MY SENATORS FROM TEXAS JUST VOTED AGAINST THIS BILL. ALL I SEE IS RED. I AM SO MAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

JOHN CORNYN (R-TX) AND KAY BAILEY HUTCHINSON (R-TX)

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Wed Sep 19, 2012, 03:47 PM

Star Member Elwood P Dowd (7,192 posts)

37. This needs to viral Now!

Send it to everyone your know.

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Wed Sep 19, 2012, 03:52 PM

Star Member trailmonkee (2,595 posts)

40. I wonder what's taking so long!

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Wed Sep 19, 2012, 03:50 PM

allan01 (626 posts)

39. re:Ugh! Senate GOP just KILLED $1b Veterans Job's bill, Dem's feel 2 votes shy of 60

Last edited Wed Sep 19, 2012, 03:54 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1)

i love it when the repugs say "support the troops " . send em into harms way and here is the @#$%^&*() gratitude . bah humbug.

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Wed Sep 19, 2012, 07:13 PM

Star Member bluestate10 (8,572 posts)

48. Does anyone have the roll call record? If so distribute it far and wide. nt

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Wed Sep 19, 2012, 03:53 PM

Star Member ancianita (1,033 posts)

41. Rove wants the blue dogs out so he can put Republicans in.

My theory is that his strategy to re-take the Senate lies with votes that piss off Dems back home. While the House is adjourned, the Senate can set up the blue dogs. Just a thought.

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Wed Sep 19, 2012, 04:06 PM

Star Member -Steph- (72 posts)

43. Absolutely horrific and disgusting...

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Wed Sep 19, 2012, 04:49 PM

outsideworld (599 posts)

45. What the

FUCK !!!!

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Wed Sep 19, 2012, 06:15 PM

Star Member Elwood P Dowd (7,192 posts)

46. Kick for the evening crowd (nt)

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Wed Sep 19, 2012, 06:20 PM

Star Member spanone (72,108 posts)

47. republicans don't give a shit about veterans...they use them for war and photo ops

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