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Douglas Carpenter

(20,226 posts)
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 10:08 AM Sep 2012

Should bigotry be welcomed on DU?

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No, not under any circumstances
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yes, under all circumstances
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It depends, if it is bigotry against an unpopular group that has no political clout within the Democratic Party it should be allowed. If it is bigotry against a group popular within Democratic circles that has political clout within the Democratic Party - then it should not be allowed
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renie408

(9,854 posts)
1. I don't know about bigotry, but a clearly made point is always welcome.
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 10:10 AM
Sep 2012

Whatever it is, just say it. The coy poll is, well, coy.

Curtland1015

(4,404 posts)
2. What option allows for bigotry against racists?
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 10:10 AM
Sep 2012

renie408

(9,854 posts)
5. Good point. I am bigoted against bigots. I think that should be allowed.
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 10:12 AM
Sep 2012

slampoet

(5,032 posts)
3. only against surveys with spelling errors in the title.
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 10:11 AM
Sep 2012

Brickbat

(19,339 posts)
7. Yessssss.
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 10:13 AM
Sep 2012

mmonk

(52,589 posts)
4. Did I miss something?
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 10:12 AM
Sep 2012
 

pintobean

(18,101 posts)
14. No polls in Meta
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 10:31 AM
Sep 2012

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,716 posts)
6. The Third Option Is The Most Honest One
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 10:12 AM
Sep 2012

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Scuba

(53,475 posts)
8. I'm bigoted against Republicans and other traitors, misogynists, racists, and a few other assholes.
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 10:16 AM
Sep 2012
 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
16. +1000
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 10:40 AM
Sep 2012

Although I think is really to be decided case by case. Different people have different definitions of bigotry.

CJCRANE

(18,184 posts)
9. All DUers are...
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 10:19 AM
Sep 2012

fantastic IMO!

Broadbrush denigrations against entire groups are not allowed (subject to the decision of jury) on DU for good reason.

If they were we would spend our entire time arguing with freepers just trying to get back to principles that have been accepted for a long time.

Everyone is equal, we are all individuals.

Even if we are part of a group, whether it be christians, muslims, hindus, atheists, the overweight, smokers, gamers or whatever we should never be judged as a group (unless that group has all specifically and explicity signed up for the thing that is being criticized, e.g. Republican pols and the Grover Norquist tax pledge).

UTUSN

(70,762 posts)
10. Does description of techniques & behaviors of cults and hate groups = "bigotry"? n/t
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 10:19 AM
Sep 2012

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,899 posts)
11. The thread title is a bit tendentious, wouldn't you say? Not to mention misspelled.
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 10:25 AM
Sep 2012

One could substitute any word descriptive of some unpleasant trait and make a poll of it.

Should pride be welcomed on DU?
Should wrath be welcomed on DU?
Should gluttony be welcomed on DU?
Should lust be welcomed on DU?
Should envy be welcomed on DU?
Should sloth be welcomed on DU?
Should greed be welcomed on DU?
Should poor taste in interior design be welcomed on DU?

Put 'em together and what have you got? Bigoty bogity boo.

 

tama

(9,137 posts)
12. I voted yes! :)
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 10:28 AM
Sep 2012
 

cali

(114,904 posts)
13. I'm not sure the option about groups within the dem party makes any sense
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 10:29 AM
Sep 2012

and is strong dislike, say, of blue dog dems, really bigotry? I don't think so.

Here's what I think: Bigotry rooted in gender, in religion, sexual orientation (and no, pedophaelia doesn't count), in race or ethnicity or religion, should most decidedly not be tolerated here.

RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
15. I am bigoted against bigots and assholes, often the same. And MEAN people get
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 10:34 AM
Sep 2012

the top my of my list to be bigoted against.

Tuesday Afternoon

(56,912 posts)
17. Are DUers with no Hidden Posts superior to DUers that have hidden posts?
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 10:42 AM
Sep 2012

rbnyc

(17,045 posts)
18. It’s a hair’s width between bigotry and discretion.
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 10:59 AM
Sep 2012

I admit, I have been spending much less time at DU lately – just stopping by a couple times a week to glance the greatest threads and maybe browse the subject lines on the first page of GD. I assume that there have been threads recently that included some kind of blanket statements about some group. Maybe it was southerners, or Christians. Maybe it was the old “pragmatic” vs. “idealistic” Democrats debate. Maybe it was even republicans. At first glance, having deep history here, but again, having spent very little time here recently, it looks like this poll is kind of a rhetorical question meant to be a statement about such blanket statements.

In any case, I think it opens up a wider conversation. Most of us are here because we’re united in our opposition to a defined group of policies and the people who advance them. Does that mean we hate all republicans? For some people, the answer is yes. And republicans – from the misguided, piss-water-beer-drinking, under-educated choad with the misspelled protest sign demonstrating against his own best interests (generalization) to the field of primary candidates trying to out-stupid each other in the lead-up to the RNC (specific) – they really make it easy for us to hate them. Even so, I think we all have a right-wing father-in-law or sister or neighbor and we argue with that person, and that person drives us nuts, but we know that person is, in fact, a human being, and maybe we even love that person.

The point is, we have values. We have very important values. Many of these are under attack, and we have to spend tremendous energy advancing and defending our values. And the people who are attacking these values, they can be identified in groups, by region, by religion, by political affiliation, by sub-political affiliation. We can identify trends within these groups. We can say that many Southern Christians support teaching “intelligent design” in public schools. We can say that those who value pragmatism above all within the Democratic Party help to shift the center to the right. We can say that those who value principle above all make it hard to get things done. We can describe all kinds of trends among many different groups and we can discern – what trends advance our values, and what trends endanger them?

I think there’s no real way to answer this poll. We should be allowed to talk about each other. We have a huge population. It’s impossible to have a cultural-political discussion without grouping and generalizing. And we should be allowed to judge.

We avoid descending into bigotry by remaining focused on the issues and the values, and resisting the temptation to dwell on the generalized groups of people whom we don’t really know.

cyberswede

(26,117 posts)
19. Locking
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 11:00 AM
Sep 2012

This is a Meta thread.

I know Meta doesn't have polls, but the Admins probably have a reason for not including that feature in that forum.

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