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Fri Sep 14, 2012, 12:47 PM

You know it's not really all about the "film", right?

It's the spark in tinder.

We're bombing them in the middle east. I posted a story a few days back. It's title was something like: In Yemen, bombs more plentiful than rain. We're bombing them from drones there and in Pakistan and in Afghanistan and in other places. We've invaded their countries, killed hundreds of thousands if not millions. Grind people down- and sorry, but we have- and it doesn't take much to enrage them. Is it any wonder that many don't distinguish between what an asswipe individual does and our gov't or the populace at large?



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Reply You know it's not really all about the "film", right? (Original post)
cali Sep 2012 OP
MrDiaz Sep 2012 #1
cali Sep 2012 #3
MrDiaz Sep 2012 #4
msongs Sep 2012 #10
cliffordu Sep 2012 #12
nc4bo Sep 2012 #2
ProgressiveProfessor Sep 2012 #5
slackmaster Sep 2012 #6
uponit7771 Sep 2012 #7
Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2012 #8
bullwinkle428 Sep 2012 #9
ljm2002 Sep 2012 #11
countryjake Sep 2012 #13
cali Sep 2012 #16
99Forever Sep 2012 #14
cali Sep 2012 #19
spanone Sep 2012 #15
chill_wind Sep 2012 #17
HiPointDem Sep 2012 #18
limpyhobbler Sep 2012 #23
limpyhobbler Sep 2012 #20
Douglas Carpenter Sep 2012 #21
cali Sep 2012 #22
Douglas Carpenter Sep 2012 #24

Response to cali (Original post)

Fri Sep 14, 2012, 12:59 PM

1. Wait

 

We are still bombing them daily? I thought Obama put a stop to that.

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Response to MrDiaz (Reply #1)

Fri Sep 14, 2012, 01:05 PM

3. Drones

and yes.

Obama Finally Opens Up About The Administration's Massive Drone War


The drone war: It's a sticking point among liberals and activists, and a subject about which Obama has stealthily avoided going into depth.

Until now.

CNN's Jessica Yellin sat down with Obama for an interview, which was posted on 9/11 at 5 p.m.

"You know, drones are one tool that we use. And our criteria for using them is very tight and very strict. It has to be a target that is authorized by our laws. It has to be a threat that is serious and not speculative," Obama tells Jessica. "And we've got to make sure that in whatever operations we conduct, you know, we are very careful about avoiding civilian casualties. And in fact, there are a whole bunch of situations where we will not engage in operations if we think that there's gonna be civilian casualties involved."

But just last week, a drone strike in Yemen killed ten civilians. In fact, the Bureau of Investigative Journalism reports that there have been approximately 116 drone strikes in Yemen alone. Often, the report says, Yemen will step up to take the blame for strikes which go off course (as they promptly did with the aforementioned strike).

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/obama-finally-gets-personal-on-the-subject-of-drones-2012-9#ixzz26Ss5JbV4

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Response to cali (Reply #3)

Fri Sep 14, 2012, 01:22 PM

4. can someone explain to me

 

Why our president, has a drone war going on, guantanamo bay is still in use, the patriot act was expanded and resigned, and the bush tax cuts were resigned. And also a judge recently ruled that the part in the NDAA 2012 where the government can indefinitely detain american citizens without trial is unconstitutional, and within 24 hours Obama appealed it! I think I woke up in BIZZARRO world. I don't know what is going on anymore.

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Response to MrDiaz (Reply #1)

Fri Sep 14, 2012, 02:08 PM

10. obama is the CAUSE of that nt

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Response to msongs (Reply #10)

Fri Sep 14, 2012, 03:05 PM

12. LOL.

Perfect!

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Response to cali (Original post)

Fri Sep 14, 2012, 01:03 PM

2. I wish that more people could just take a meditative moment, put themselves in another's shoes...

and imagine how it must be.

It calls for some real serious hard core exercises in empathy.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Fri Sep 14, 2012, 01:32 PM

5. It is also about leaders with an agenda inciting group outrage

Behngazi appears to have been preplanned to some extent

The movie had been out for months. The events started before it could be traced to the US or anywhere else for that matter

There are groups of people who believe they have the right to defend their religion's honor via rioting and killing others who had nothing to do with it.

If there hadn't been as much as a firecracker set off in the last 10 years some of this would have happened.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Fri Sep 14, 2012, 01:33 PM

6. It goes back DECADES, not weeks or months or years.

 

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Response to cali (Original post)

Fri Sep 14, 2012, 01:34 PM

7. +1!

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Response to cali (Original post)

Fri Sep 14, 2012, 01:47 PM

8. The middle east and south asia have been exploited by the colonial powers for centuries.

Who would have ever thought they might resent it?

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Response to cali (Original post)

Fri Sep 14, 2012, 01:55 PM

9. Good to see people starting to look at the bigger picture here - Rachel

has been doing a great job the last couple of nights trying to get everyone's attention away from that stupid movie.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Fri Sep 14, 2012, 03:01 PM

11. Exactly right...

...yet we Americans still react with astonishment when, after we kill people in other countries whenever and however the hell we want to, they react by killing us back.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Fri Sep 14, 2012, 03:36 PM

13. I saw your post the other day & read the article...

Raining Drones in Yemen
http://yemenpost.net/Detail123456789.aspx?ID=1&SubID=5960

and after reading that, it made me dig up another old bookmark of an article I remembered I had in my Yemen file, just to check the date on it.

US makes a drone attack a day in Yemen
http://www.thenational.ae/news/world/middle-east/us-makes-a-drone-attack-a-day-in-yemen

Hakim Almasmari makes his points very well and I can only imagine the horror that ordinary Yemenis have experienced throughout this past long year. Raining drones.

Thank you for your post, both this one and the other one from early this week.

In the skies of the Arab desert nation of Yemen, drones are more common than rain.
posted by cali - Mon Sep 10, 2012, 08:37 AM
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021311700

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Response to countryjake (Reply #13)

Fri Sep 14, 2012, 04:20 PM

16. thanks for digging that up, jake

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Response to cali (Original post)

Fri Sep 14, 2012, 04:09 PM

14. Our government thinks it can kill with impunity.

Other nations and peoples don't agree. It's not in the least surprising that Americans are targets over there. What's surprising is that it doesn't happen frequently.

When I suggested that perhaps the movie was only a part of what caused the anger and violence, I was quickly kneejerked that I was "excusing the murderers" and assorted other happy horse dung that was, to put it nicely, little more than an insult to my intelligence. I sometimes wonder if some of these people have ever ventured outside the county they were born in.

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Response to 99Forever (Reply #14)

Sat Sep 15, 2012, 04:24 AM

19. keep saying it. I will.

The self-righteous crap about how we don't riot over insults to Christianity is reflective of shallow, self-absorbed "thinking".

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sat Sep 15, 2012, 12:49 AM

17. All said and done, the tragic truth. n/t

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sat Sep 15, 2012, 12:54 AM

18. of course it's not all about the film. maybe it's not about the film at all. given the convoluted

 

provenance of the film, i wouldn't be surprised if the film was some kind of red herring used to explain the violence to a gullible public. it's been out there for awhile, but came to public attention only as the violence did.

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Response to HiPointDem (Reply #18)

Sat Sep 15, 2012, 05:22 AM

23. I have wondered that too.

Maybe there were some co-ordinated international attacks/riots/uprisings and it is embarrassing so this film gets trotted out to distract and change the subject.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sat Sep 15, 2012, 05:14 AM

20. Sadly these riots will be used as an excuse to expand the bombing.

We're probably gonna start sending in more drones into more countries now.

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Response to cali (Original post)

Sat Sep 15, 2012, 05:16 AM

21. thank you

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Response to Douglas Carpenter (Reply #21)

Sat Sep 15, 2012, 05:19 AM

22. Awkwardly penned (I just re-read it) but thanks DC

The continuous self-righteous "we don't riot and kill people when our religions(s) are insulted, just makes me despair when I see it here.

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Response to cali (Reply #22)

Sat Sep 15, 2012, 11:44 AM

24. I hate to think what would happen if - God forbid - there was a major terrorist strike on U.S. soil

I wonder if belief in freedom, democracy and tolerance in America would survive such events. I would wonder if belief in freedom, democracy and tolerance would survive on DU. Judging by the last couple of days, I doubt it.

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