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diabeticman

(3,121 posts)
Sun Aug 26, 2012, 12:05 AM Aug 2012

Where can I find information on withholding rent. I may not be putting in the right info on yahoo.




I'm in PA. I have a landlord who claims I can't withhold the rent. I believe I can.

Yes, I know it is summer time but he has yet to put on a new belt for the furnace.

My basement--also where my shower is located in the home is now flooding. I have lived here 10 years. I never had flooding before. This flooding is only happen when there is a hard rain. The landlord claims ALL basements flood in this area especially since the ground has been so dry this season. The flooding problem started 18 months ago.

The shower area is a battle with mold and mildew. I run a dehumidifier landlord now suggests I run fan with dehumidifier to "Circulate air."

My upstairs "bathroom" is a toilet and sink. Landlord said he was going to expand the bathroom so that the shower would be in the bathroom. He pulled down wood paneling on the wall so now in the bathroom there is only dry-wall. They FINALLY replaced the toilet which was leaking and had black mold growing in it. Had to rip up the carpeting in the bathroom and and basically rip out the floor we now have a wood/plank floor in the bathroom.

Landlord says I can't withhold the rent because bathroom is an add-on but I don't think I should have to live in an apartment with these problems. I have search Yahoo putting in various key words and can't find any success. I will be sending my wife to speak to a lawyer Monday but I wanted some information for the weekend.

I am looking for free website that will give information or PA law and not get me to sign up for something.
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Where can I find information on withholding rent. I may not be putting in the right info on yahoo. (Original Post) diabeticman Aug 2012 OP
Where in PA? msanthrope Aug 2012 #1
As a general proposition you cannot COLGATE4 Aug 2012 #4
We have been giving our rent to an Lawyer's office who is either using it as payment of the home or diabeticman Aug 2012 #9
I hope you're getting good legal advice. COLGATE4 Aug 2012 #12
Lawrence County diabeticman Aug 2012 #5
Here's a pretty helpful guide...read from about page 9 on. msanthrope Aug 2012 #16
This message was self-deleted by its author AtomicKitten Aug 2012 #2
These laws vary from state to state. yewberry Aug 2012 #3
Try the Philadelphia Landlord Tenant Legal Help Center jberryhill Aug 2012 #6
Unless it's stated in the lease, the landlord is responsible for repairs toddwv Aug 2012 #7
Second the suggestion to call the AG's office. DURHAM D Aug 2012 #8
Thank you. I will have my wife look into that. diabeticman Aug 2012 #10
Lawyer up! backscatter712 Aug 2012 #11
You can't "withhold rent" without forfeiting your right to live there REP Aug 2012 #13
contact info grasswire Aug 2012 #14
here you go. can't withhold rent. grasswire Aug 2012 #15
See a lawyer. If you can't afford, really can't afford, check with Legal Aid near your home. JDPriestly Aug 2012 #17
 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
1. Where in PA?
Sun Aug 26, 2012, 12:11 AM
Aug 2012

Many jurisdictions have provisions for withholding rent. It would help if you could tell me where you are.

COLGATE4

(14,732 posts)
4. As a general proposition you cannot
Sun Aug 26, 2012, 12:17 AM
Aug 2012

withhold rent in order to remedy a problem with your landlord. Doing so just puts you in danger of eviction. You should consult an attorney who deals with landlord-tenant matters before proceeding down that path. Your landlord may well be in breach of what's called the 'implied warranty of habitability', but you need to be sure that 1) that's legally the case and 2) that you want to proceed against him in court. In either case you will only hurt your case by trying to withhold rent to effectuate change. Self-help is never favored by the law.

diabeticman

(3,121 posts)
9. We have been giving our rent to an Lawyer's office who is either using it as payment of the home or
Sun Aug 26, 2012, 12:26 AM
Aug 2012

is giving it to landlord. When we called that office to explain we stopped rent payments. My wife and I were told by the office we were in the right to do so that the lawyer's office had been telling landlord for months to do these repairs.

Response to diabeticman (Original post)

DURHAM D

(32,609 posts)
8. Second the suggestion to call the AG's office.
Sun Aug 26, 2012, 12:24 AM
Aug 2012

They get these types of calls all of the time and will be able to tell you your rights and the landlord's duties. This is not a gray area and they will spell it out for you. Actually, it has been my experience that they love to help tenants go after landlord's that are abusing them.

It has also been my experience that most attorneys are not that caring when it comes to tenant's rights. They will take your money, write a letter, and shrug it off when the landlord stalls. And the longer it goes unresolved the more money they make.

Good luck.

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
11. Lawyer up!
Sun Aug 26, 2012, 12:45 AM
Aug 2012

Random people on Internet forums aren't qualified to give you full legal advice.

And the consequences of following bad advice are dire - if you withhold rent, and it turns out the law says you can't do that (I don't know if it does or not), you could be evicted.

I'll give you some truthful advice - these fights are very damned hard - you're going against a person with a scosh more political and economic power than you, and he very well might decide to try to crush you like a bug. You could win this fight, but it'll take some money and a lot of determination before you can get in a court or some other forum that will even bother to listen to you. In the meantime, said landlord will likely do everything in his power to make your life miserable.

You need professional advice. I'm not a professional, so I can't give you proper advice. Go to your state's Bar Association and look in their directory to look for attorneys that specialize in these sorts of disputes.

REP

(21,691 posts)
13. You can't "withhold rent" without forfeiting your right to live there
Sun Aug 26, 2012, 12:55 AM
Aug 2012

WITH legal advice, you may be able to put the rent in escrow (a third-party account) until the repairs are made, and an agreement is made as to how much rent is to be prorated. But ONLY with legal advice, from an actual lawyer who knows the landlord/tenant laws of your city/county/state.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
14. contact info
Sun Aug 26, 2012, 01:26 AM
Aug 2012

Phone: (724)656-5100
Fax: (724)658-7140 481 Neshannock Avenue
New Castle
PA 16101

That's the Housing Authority for your county. They should be able to give you contact info for a tenants rights organization, and information on the law itself.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
15. here you go. can't withhold rent.
Sun Aug 26, 2012, 01:35 AM
Aug 2012
http://www.ocl.pitt.edu/rental/tenant-rights.html

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Habitability
Habitability means that the apartment must meet minimal construction, maintenance, and safety standards of the municipality having jurisdiction (usually the City of Pittsburgh for students). Adequate hot and cold drinking water, sewage and waste disposal, heating, windows, doors, smoke detectors, and bathrooms are some of the elements that must be provided in residential rentals. Landlords must repair or replace those elements and others when they are broken. Tenants are responsible for notifying landlords of problems as they occur, and landlords are responsible for making repairs within a reasonable time of being notified. Making repairs satisfactorily and within a reasonable time are two areas that lead to dispute and could lead to legal action. Notify your landlord of problems in writing, and keep a record of your requests. Documentation is critical in legal actions.
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Remedies
The remedies for actual or believed violations of a lease or the law are simple.

Talk to the other party. Explain what the problem is and ask for corrective action. Whether it is fixing a broken window or paying rent promptly, notice is customary and usually sufficient.
Provide written notice of the problem in addition to personal contact, or follow-up if the landlord takes no corrective action. A written note provides formal notice of the problem and provides documentation for possible legal action.
Written notice of possible legal action if the problem is not corrected may follow or be included in the first written notice. Legal action may or may not result, but a written note notifies the other person of the possibility. If the lease contains a waiver of notice, neither party would be expected to provide this notice, such notice may not be required.
File legal action with the district magistrate. This is the lowest court and one having jurisdiction in most landlord-tenant disputes in Pittsburgh. Housing Court and Small Claims Court also may be appropriate, depending on the circumstances.
If legal action is filed, the magistrate’s office will give written notice of the complaint and a hearing date to both parties. The hearing is usually 7–10 days after filing. Both parties should prepare and appear at the hearing to present their sides of the dispute. Either party may be represented by an attorney.

The magistrate will decide who is right and who is wrong and determine what actions and penalties are appropriate. Remedies may include eviction, establishment of rent due and additional fees owed, acceleration of rent (making the entire amount of the lease term rental payable immediately), return or loss of the security deposit, termination of the lease, additional financial penalties, and possible assignment of legal costs (lawyer’s fees if applicable) and court costs (filing fees).

Either party may appeal the magistrate’s decision to a higher court but must do so within a specified time. During any legal action or appeal, the tenant is obligated to continue making rent payments according to the lease.

Other Remedies Include the Following
File a complaint with governmental agencies such as the Allegheny County Department of Health or the City of Pittsburgh Bureau of Building Inspection. A tenant or a landlord may ask them to examine the conditions of the apartment. If the property does not meet legal standards of construction, maintenance, or safety, notice will be given to the landlord and a time to make corrections will be set. If repairs are not made by the deadline, the landlord may be legally cited and will have to appear in court.

The court may assess fines and costs and order closure of the property. This process is serious, and significant penalties can be assessed. It also is time-consuming and may be extended by the actions of the landlord or his or her lawyer. The law prohibits retaliation by a landlord against a complaining tenant, but retaliation may occur. If subtle, it may be difficult to prove; if aggressive, it may be physically or psychologically intimidating. A lease does not have to be renewed at the end of its term; therefore, nonrenewal is a common ending for a complaining tenant.
Rent withholding may be undertaken only by authority of the Health Department. It may be authorized if a landlord is not responding to Health Department requests and the problems are significant. If authorized, a tenant will be given instructions to establish an escrow account in a local bank into which all rent payments and fees must be paid exactly as specified by the lease. If after six months the problems have not been corrected, the department will authorize payment of the money to the tenant and the lease will be voided. If the landlord makes the repairs within six months, he or she will be authorized to withdraw the deposited rent.

Repair and deduct is a self-help technique used by tenants that is sometimes available under certain circumstances. It allows a tenant to have needed repairs done and to deduct the cost of repairs from rent payments. The tenant would have to prove that the repairs were necessary to make the property habitable, the costs must be reasonable and cannot exceed the amount of rent owed for the remainder of the lease term, and the work must actually have been done. Work must meet applicable standards, and documentation for all costs must be provided. Before engaging in a repair and deduct remedy, the tenant should be careful to have previously given the landlord written notice of the defect and the steps that the tenant will take to fix if the landlord fails to repair within a reasonable time.

A tenant also may sue for rent recovery based on the extent of the value of damages or problems. A court would determine whether the property was significantly damaged, what percentage of the apartment was lost to the tenant by the damage, and what percentage of the rent already paid to the landlord should be returned to the tenant as adjustment.

Lastly, a tenant may ask a court to void or terminate a lease. Failure to provide or maintain a unit in a habitable condition, as defined in local building, maintenance, or safety codes, or failing to meet other significant promises or obligations made during the marketing of the property would provide the rationale for the request. As in all legal matters, documentation and witnesses are important elements to support a claim.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
17. See a lawyer. If you can't afford, really can't afford, check with Legal Aid near your home.
Sun Aug 26, 2012, 02:19 AM
Aug 2012

You can call your county or state bar association to find out about how to get legal assistance when you can't afford a lawyer.

Some lawyers will give you a first consultation free.

Again, check with a lawyer. Details matter, so, generally, no one can tell you what you can or cannot do in an on-line blog. The law is just too complicated for that.

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