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Sat Aug 25, 2012, 05:09 PM

a bay area liberal and a fundamentalist southern christian have more in common

than that same fundie southern christian and a member of the taliban. they simply do. are there outliers and exceptions? sure. but on the whole, taken from a global perspective, the two americans are almost indistinguishable when compared to something as foreign and alien to the american experience as taliban style muslim fundie ism. even on the treatment of women and gays (hell probably especially in those areas) the christian fundie and the liberal are going to have closer views than the two fundies would.

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Reply a bay area liberal and a fundamentalist southern christian have more in common (Original post)
arely staircase Aug 2012 OP
Bluenorthwest Aug 2012 #1
arely staircase Aug 2012 #2
cali Aug 2012 #4
arely staircase Aug 2012 #7
cali Aug 2012 #8
arely staircase Aug 2012 #10
arely staircase Aug 2012 #11
arely staircase Aug 2012 #9
cali Aug 2012 #13
arely staircase Aug 2012 #14
XemaSab Aug 2012 #5
arely staircase Aug 2012 #3
alarimer Aug 2012 #6
arely staircase Aug 2012 #12

Response to arely staircase (Original post)

Sat Aug 25, 2012, 05:16 PM

1. Nope. Not 'closer views' at all. Common dietary and clothing customs do not a point of view

make. The view of the fundies is the same across all faiths, it does not matter what shirt they wear...

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Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #1)

Sat Aug 25, 2012, 05:22 PM

2. ask all three groups the following questions then compare results

should women be allowed to vote?

should women be allowed to hold jobs outside the home?

should a woman's father chose her husband?

should gay people be put to death?

should adulterers be stoned?

should people who have premarital sex be stoned?

should girls be allowed in school?

and on and on

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Response to arely staircase (Reply #2)

Sat Aug 25, 2012, 05:51 PM

4. I'll take a stab

1) go to free republic. there are a considerable number of people there who do not believe women should have the vote.

2) lots of fundies don't like women working outside the home.

3) that one I'll give you

4) given their druthers, many would say yes.

5) probably no.

6) same as above

7) schooling for girls, yes.

But I think you're wrong. I think in their devotion to "God's Law over anything else, the Taliban and Christian fundies have more in common than Christian fundies and a liberal. Christian fundies are restrained by the larger culture.

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Response to cali (Reply #4)

Sat Aug 25, 2012, 06:03 PM

7. most of the fundies I know are women

how do i know them? from work.

i don't think free republic is representative of fundie christians. most i know would be horrified by the vulgar language there. i even know fundie women with openly gay kids who they love to death, as oppose to put death. one is even a big promoter of her gay son's fledgling theater career. you can say these are outliers and not representative but roughly one in five white evangelical christians supports gay marriage. and while a fundie muslim and a fundie christian may both abstractly support "God's law over man's law" how they actually conduct themselves as opposed to what they believe or say is what i am talking about. and yes i know our liberal western culture ristricts what they can do here in terms of imposing their beliefs, i still stand by my thesis.


http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national/2011/08/breakdown-support-gay-marriage-religion/41964/

edited to say god's law over man's law could easily be the rallying cry of abolitionists or the civil rights movement. that can mean a lot of different things to different people.

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Response to arely staircase (Reply #7)

Sat Aug 25, 2012, 06:07 PM

8. I do- think that freepers are representative of lots of fundies.

what do you mean by vulgar language? They don't allow swearing over there.

And sorry, but your personal experience with fundies doesn't really mean much.

The mindset of xian fundies and Islamic fundies has more in common than do xian fundies and liberals.

I stand by my thesis.

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Response to cali (Reply #8)

Sat Aug 25, 2012, 06:09 PM

10. my anecdotes aside

one in five of them support gay marriage. do you think that holds among muslim fundies?

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Response to cali (Reply #8)

Sat Aug 25, 2012, 06:12 PM

11. vulgar language like

misinformed descriptions of anal intercourse (which they seem to conflate with corporofilia (sp?)

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Response to cali (Reply #4)

Sat Aug 25, 2012, 06:08 PM

9. and hey, i just noticed you agree the liberal and the fundie christian

would be on the same side in five of the seven things i posted.

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Response to arely staircase (Reply #9)

Sat Aug 25, 2012, 06:45 PM

13. You look so superficially

at this. Really, it's not worth discussing this with you. sorry.

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Response to cali (Reply #13)

Sat Aug 25, 2012, 06:56 PM

14. a bit touchy aren't you? i actually enjoyed your comments until

this hissy fit. but if you feel you can't make your point, you are free to give up i suppose.

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Response to arely staircase (Reply #2)

Sat Aug 25, 2012, 05:56 PM

5. There are quite a few fundies who would surprise you

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Response to arely staircase (Original post)

Sat Aug 25, 2012, 05:39 PM

3. hell 19 percent of white evangelical protestants support gay marriage

reckon those numbers would hold among the taliban?

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Response to arely staircase (Original post)

Sat Aug 25, 2012, 05:56 PM

6. Not really.

Fundamentalist Christians want to deny people (women and gays) basic civil rights. The Taliban are simply somewhat more extreme in that they want to kill them. Fundamentalists of any stripe do not treat women as people, with a full array of options and choices. Neither do the Taliban. In every basic way, fundamentalists are the same the world over.

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Response to alarimer (Reply #6)

Sat Aug 25, 2012, 06:40 PM

12. wanting to kill someone vs. not wanting to kill someone is a pretty big damned deal.

not simply a case of the former being "somewhat more extreme" than the latter. that is like saying that a cannibal is just a simply somewhat more extreme meat eater.

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