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As Congressman Paul Ryan cracked a joke about him, Tom Nielsen found himself face down on the floor being handcuffed by police. The 71-year-old retired plumber from Kenosha was thrown to the ground, placed in handcuffs, and arrested for trespassing and resisting arrest after objecting to Ryan's plans to gut Social Security and Medicare during his congressman's only public appearance scheduled during the August recess -- a $15 Rotary Club luncheon in West Allis on Tuesday.
Nielsen repeatedly told police that he wasn't fighting them and that he didn't want to make any trouble. He also told them several times that he had a broken shoulder. Police officers ignored his comments as they wrestled him to the ground despite his howls of pain.
Nielsen's comment to Ryan at the luncheon, his arrest, and Ryan's joke are all captured on video available here.
cali
(114,904 posts)gtar100
(4,192 posts)Glad to see our policeman protecting us from such harmful behavior.
Like they did when all the tea baggers went around interrupting town hall meetings back in 2010. Thank god for their consistency.
That Ryan calls "entitlement" programs a debt problem gets my blood boiling too. Good on this gentleman for showing what a douche Ryan is. I hope he is okay.
Is it not entitlement? If a person pays into an insurance plan for years and years is he not entitled to benefit from the plan when he becomes eligible? I don't understand the poor fellows predicament. He is no less entitled except that his outburst caused a rukus.
SemperEadem
(8,053 posts)no, it's not entitlement. Entitlement would be if he never paid a dime and was first in line with his hand out for a check.
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)RKP5637
(67,108 posts)tblue37
(65,340 posts)R&R really view the citizens they supposedly want to "serve."
silverweb
(16,402 posts)[font color="navy" face="Verdana"]We haven't seen anything yet. Just let RR win/steal/take the election.
RKP5637
(67,108 posts)Americans will willingly vote for Romney/Ryan ushering in a dystopia.
silverweb
(16,402 posts)[font color="navy" face="Verdana"]I've already been vehement about the stakes in this election, but the Ryan choice poured gasoline on the fire -- and that fire better get under the ass of every Democrat and real freedom-loving voter in the country.
Today's reTHUGs are set on succeeding now at the failed coup they tried against FDR. If we let that happen, the whole world will pay.
RKP5637
(67,108 posts)is going on. The wealth behind the overthrow of Obama is truly frightening and we can thank IMO SCOTUS with their inane Citizens United ruling. The majority of the citizens are no longer in control of the country, those with the most money to throw into politics are ... and sadly too many also fall for the propaganda.
silverweb
(16,402 posts)[font color="navy" face="Verdana"]Romney/Ryan are just the figureheads of a new battle in the very same war that Big Business has been waging against the general population since before the Gilded Age. The "Business Plot" against FDR was one of the most spectacular battles and might even have included a planned assassination attempt, but there has been one skirmish after another for a very long time.
Big Business sees all natural resources, including people themselves, as commodities to be exploited and used to their own benefit. Polluted water, filthy air, stripped/contaminated soil, tainted/unhealthy "food" -- these are just "opportunities" for them to force people to buy the half-remedies that their companies offer for a price.
They have zero interest in protecting the environment, or people's health and dignity. They want ultimate power. They are the would-be owners of that "boot stamping on a human face--for ever." (Orwell, 1984).
We ignore this war they wage against us at the dire peril of all Humanity and the Planet herself.
RKP5637
(67,108 posts)silverweb
(16,402 posts)[font color="navy" face="Verdana"]Now let's work to get the message out beyond the choir.
Are you not equally frustrated with the way the party has managed these difficulties? What progress has there been really? The economy is shattered for generations to come and half the population is in dire straits. At least more people were doing better before the recent conflict. Perhaps you don't agree?
1. Not sure which party you are talking about, but I'm frustrated and angered by the way the Grand Obstructionist Party has said NO to anything for the past three years, and disgusted that they actually stated they were doing this to get rid of the President.
Essentially they were doing this to all of us... a waste to us all, while the country is reeling from the broken state the Smirking Bush** left the country.
2. What progress has there been?
Well, you can look it up if you want a complete list, but a few notable ones come to mind:
We have ended one unfunded unnecessary war that cost our country over $800 BILLION dollars and untold deaths and injuries on both sides and hopefully on our way to ending the war in Afghanistan, too.
President Obama has ended the rape of our students by the banks by limiting the amount the banks can collect in a year.
The US auto industry was saved, despite the obstructionist party's candidate saying it should go bankrupt.
President Obama has put in place the Affordable Care Act that has already phased in children who were previously uncovered, and just this month, saw to it that health insurers provided free mammograms, women's cancer screenings, and birth control.
We have seen 25 months of positive job growth despite the party of obstructionists not passing one single jobs bill.
Osama bin Laden is now dead. While he was planning this, the obstructionists were instead busy declaring the President to be a non-citizen Muslim Nazi.
You can go see what else the President has been up to at http://www.whitehouse.gov ...if you want to see what the "other side" has done, that's filed under ........nothing.
3. No I do not agree with you that "more people were doing better before the recent conflict".
I am presuming that by "the conflict" you mean the second great Depression or as everyone likes to call it "the largest Recession since the Great Depression". The country was already in a tailspin in 2007. The banks were failing right and left.
People were losing their jobs and their houses. People were going into bankruptcy because they couldn't afford medical care.
It took us 8 years of the Bush** years and two unfunded wars, unfunded tax cuts for the wealthy, an unfunded Medicare prescription plan and deregulation of environmental programs to get us into "the conflict", and it will take more than one Presidential term to get us out of it. And oh, the obstructionism has got to stop. We all need to help each other where we can.
Having the Rmoney gang write themselves big tax cuts and repeal the ACA is NOT what we need.
If you think it is, then you need to go join another forum.
silverweb
(16,402 posts)SemperEadem
(8,053 posts)because the thug leadership has made their main goal to make this president a one term president. Period. End of discussion. More people were doing better before they abandoned their oaths and duty to their offices by swearing a treasonous allegiance to Grover Norquist and his stupidity.
so, no... no one agrees.
vlyons
(10,252 posts)He first went to German industrialists like Krupp and the bankers. Sound familiar?
RKP5637
(67,108 posts)INdemo
(6,994 posts)Last edited Sun Aug 12, 2012, 09:03 AM - Edit history (1)
silverweb
(16,402 posts)[font color="navy" face="Verdana"]It all comes down to the ground game and we can't leave a single thing to chance.
How can a person base a comment on freedom-loving voters and support the shackling of voters freedoms at the same time? Are all politicians condemned? Are all citizens condemned? Is no one aware of the source of redemption? How is it that we agree with the promise of hope and change for the better but are frustrated at every turn? What do you think is the root cause of this difficulty? There is so much confusion. Stories are twisted, misinterpreted and replies and reactions are so chaotic. The world is already paying and has been for a long time. I wish I'd seen your earlier posts to see you describe the stakes.
thecrow
(5,519 posts)Do we not already have dystopia now? Are we actually doing better now than we did five or six years ago?
RKP5637
(67,108 posts)silverweb
(16,402 posts)[font color="navy" face="Verdana"]Most of us here can see that things have improved since President Obama took office, and we'd like to ensure that this momentum in the right direction continues under his leadership.
That's why we're Democrats.
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)silverweb
(16,402 posts)[font color="navy" face="Verdana"]You and I are on the same team. I'm definitely a member of the working class, too, but the picture has been getting better and I'm not talking just economics here.
To the newbie (likely troll) I was addressing, dystopia is defined by the RW's terror of the looming spectre of misunderstood "socialism." For that reason, I was referring to recent improvements in the overall jobs picture, saving/improving our social safety nets, full and equal rights for ALL, making the rich pay their fair share, and everything else you'll find here.
No, things have not been moving fast enough in the direction we'd like. I just can't imagine why... *cough* reTHUGs. But we are moving in the right direction.
Yes, President Obama has accomplished a great deal that benefits all of us, and he deserves another term to continue the terrific job he's been doing.
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)have been sitting vacant since the recession. a new one right next door.
drugs and gangbangers getting worse.
college laying off people.
very depressing time.
silverweb
(16,402 posts)[font color="navy" face="Verdana"]Progress certainly is not even in all areas, that's true, and there's a long way to go. I'm assuming that moving isn't an option for you, so I hope you see improvement soon.
Maybe reaching out to help agencies in your area would yield some aid in the meantime? Hang in there. Sending positive vibes your way and hoping it helps.
lunasun
(21,646 posts)2pooped2pop
(5,420 posts)It says "during the August recess", but it wasn't in the last 10 days was it?
That is pretty damning stuff!
RKP5637
(67,108 posts)NNN0LHI
(67,190 posts)Petrushka
(3,709 posts). . . with the following comment: "Elderly? With questions about Ryan's plan to gut Medicare? Be prepared for THIS kind of answer ---> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/07/paul-ryan-wisconsin-protester-handcuffed_n_952818.html
SemperEadem
(8,053 posts)doesn't diminish the approbrium which should be heaped on ryan's head over it. He needs to answer for that on a national scale. This is beyond Wisconsin now that he's agreed to be mittiot's running mate.
2pooped2pop
(5,420 posts)Frustratedlady
(16,254 posts)Granted, he was loud when he asked his question, but it is obvious he wasn't dangerous.
These Pugs are scaring the beejeebers out of the elderly. They don't understand what they are trying to do or if it will affect them.
This disruption didn't call for them taking the poor guy down. What are we coming to? We can't even disagree without being pummeled by the police or the Pug thugs?
RKP5637
(67,108 posts)Tom Ripley
(4,945 posts)raydrewoh
(3 posts)the video that du has about ryan look a like pushing grandma off the cliff could also be used to wake up people. cause that is what ryan wants to do for medicare,
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
progressivebydesign
(19,458 posts)unless they're donors.
Mooselini
(10 posts)Didn't a very similar incident happen at a Cantor event a few years back? Where a guy was tackled by police simply attending the public event and being a Democrat?
DesertFlower
(11,649 posts)pressure medicine".
Broderick
(4,578 posts)not funny
demwing
(16,916 posts)That needs to be an ad
DesertFlower
(11,649 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)I agree this should be used in an ad, complete with Ryan's 'caring' remark.
coalition_unwilling
(14,180 posts)municipal agency. And I hope the taxpayers in his district have to pay through the nose.
Just another day in WTF-istan.
HopeHoops
(47,675 posts)This fascism is going too far. We need to fight back.
lumpy
(13,704 posts)a deliberate slam against that elderly man and elderly people in general. You can be sure Ryan has no repect for the 'disposable' elderly as well as 'lower' classes. In Ryans little bastardly eyes just people to be derided , very funny HaHa.
B Calm
(28,762 posts)annabanana
(52,791 posts)valerief
(53,235 posts)blkmusclmachine
(16,149 posts)Are those Blackwater/Xe henchmen ??
Democracy. Is. Dead.
Operation Northwoods
progressivebydesign
(19,458 posts)They are NOT entitlements. People have paid into those things.. you fucking fuck.
So is Ryan going to turn down the pension and money for life after he leaves Congress??? Do any of them? Does Romney still get benefits from being a Governor?
I notice that they always attack public pensions, and health care, but they enjoy it for free even if they've only served a few years.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)I have said it a million times now, I so f**ing hate Paul Ryan.
Ikonoklast
(23,973 posts)Ryan can only speak in front of friendly audiences.
RKP5637
(67,108 posts)what makes this so bad, Americans thinking they are going to be part if the 1%. Frankly, I don't think too many of the 1% attend Rotary Club meetings ... propaganda sells so well to these types ...
Bozita
(26,955 posts)amuse bouche
(3,657 posts)needs to use stuff like this
Whisp
(24,096 posts)the Rolls Royce team will first have to come up with yet another false accusation ad and then this will be a perfect counterattack.
Whisp
(24,096 posts)and Obama is the one that really wants to cut this guys SS right off at the knees. It's all theatre, doncha know.
southmost
(759 posts)and he still won...
wtf.... programs we have PAID into are 'entitlement' programs?
RKP5637
(67,108 posts)future you want with Romney/Ryan?
beac
(9,992 posts)Hope this goes viral now!
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)interfering with others' right to hear the speech.
Your rights end where another's begins.
He was doing this activist thing intentionally, to get this video. He got what he wanted.
NNN0LHI
(67,190 posts)How many loud teabaggers did you see get this treatment at any similar Democratic events?
Don
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)and not taken out of the room.
If the speaker had been a Democrat, and the yeller had been a far right wacko, you would be applauding the fact that he was removed from the room.
To me, it doesn't matter.
(Notice in the viideo that the part right before handcuffed on the ground is cut out, so we don't see what caused that action. We do see initially that he is resisting being removed from the room. He is acting against the law...he has no right to be on private property, when he's told to leave. It's that simple.)
NNN0LHI
(67,190 posts)Ikonoklast
(23,973 posts)The Authoritarian defenders only see one side of the equation; only Democrats, Liberals, and Progressives need to be thrown to the ground and handcuffed for speaking out and being 'disorderly'.
Teabaggers are just voicing their valid opinions at political town halls...using racist slurs, while carrying weapons and posters of their opponents with bullet holes in them.
No need to use force against them, that would be unconstitutional.
Zalatix
(8,994 posts)backscatter712
(26,355 posts)You'll never see the authoritarian creepazoids come out of their neurotic shells to demand that teabaggers or anyone else on their side get treated the same way - they suddenly switch to singing romantic praise for the First Amendment when a teabagger disrupts at a Democratic event.
But the instant a Democrat gets thrown down, beaten and jailed for doing this to a subhuman fuck like Paul Ryan, they're praising the cops for their "professionalism", wagging our fingers at us, telling us we need to be more polite even though the right-wingers shit on us every chance they've got, but we'd better not dare make noise.
Fuck this hypocritical authoritarian bullshit.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)jtuck004
(15,882 posts)Fuck Ryan, the thugs, and all their little friends. This should just be the start of the "disruption". If they go through with their plans there will be millions more people in utter poverty and facing premature death.
As much as I like the First Amendment, if there are no rights to have your health because it interferes with the screwing of people by the wealthy, this country isn't worth keeping together.
Zalatix
(8,994 posts)Kyad06
(127 posts)This is not Democracy, this is is authoritative fascism. And the man was right, I have payed into the system for 30 years. Theses are not "entitlements" Fuck Ryan and you for enabling the destruction of Democracy.
datasuspect
(26,591 posts)bullshit.
Kyad06
(127 posts)Speak up before its too late.
Douglas Carpenter
(20,226 posts)and post it everywhere
bottomofthehill
(8,329 posts)if he bought his ticket, what do you think the charge was
AnotherMcIntosh
(11,064 posts)arrest.
Two other "people were arrested for speaking and 20 others were forcefully escorted out of the building." "Ryan made numerous demeaning comments" ... and amused some of the Rotarians by saying
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/09/09/1015119/-Arrests-At-Ryan-s-Rotary-Luncheon
jillan
(39,451 posts)This man was clearly upset but nothing, nothing like the disrespect we saw in 2009.
papa3times
(150 posts)were doing this in 2009-2010. That was their marching orders to scream, yell, interrupt. They did it all the time. This guy does the same thing and gets hauled out by uniformed goons. There needs to be some video showing how disruptive the teabaggers were at congresspersons' town halls and compare it to this and you will see no or little difference between the two.
Mosaic
(1,451 posts)Let every blog, web site, your folks, and more know this.
Where was George
(23 posts)Ryan/Romney explained by the good George
And, now, they're coming for your Social Security. They want your fucking retirement money.
They want it back, so they can give it to their criminal friends on Wall Street.
And you know something? They'll get it.
They'll get it all, sooner or later, because they own this fucking place. It's a big club, and you ain't in it.
You and I are not in the big club.
http://dotsub.com/view/5782d237-ab0a-41bc-a35b-d8b34d886b7c/viewTranscript/eng
Amazingly prescient. Too bad George Carlin shared the first name with both the Bush assholes
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)Ryan was in the middle of the 'big lie'. It makes my blood boil when I hear them say that 'most of our debt comes from our entitlement programs'. No wonder that guy got mad.
Ikonoklast
(23,973 posts)Ryan's father, grandfather, and great-grandfather all died in their mid to late fifties of heart disease.
Beware sowing the wind, Congressman.
Justice wanted
(2,657 posts)Sounds like it is going to be Bush/Cheney on Steroids.
Get ready to hear about signing Loyality oaths to get into speeches and anyone who might have an Obama sticker thrown out.
allan01
(1,950 posts)we already have a police state . look at thier motto ," to protect and to serve ". whom ? ,. the rich of course . the police was formed to protect the rich from the rest of us. and it really really shows here .could watch only few minutes of it . had enough.hope the fellow sues for pain and suffering .
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)a case of the Government restricting his political speech, his right to speak to someone asking the people for the job of representing them. And furthermore, Ryan was in the middle of lying to the American people about the cause of deficit. Aside from his right to question those lies, it was his duty to do so and I for one thank him for shutting Ryan up as he lied.
I hope he does sue, for the violation of his rights and for whatever pain and suffering they caused him.
And we boast about being Democracy? No wonder the Egyptian revolutionaries said they did not want the kind of the Democracy the US brought to Iraq.
dogknob
(2,431 posts)INdemo
(6,994 posts)dependent survivors benefits and the if the truth was know using pell grants also..What a hypocrit...The very fund that he used for college tuition he is now trying to destroy..
check this out
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/10/21/1028664/-Paul-Ryan-calls-Pell-Grants-unsustainable-and-tells-students-to-work-three-jobs-to-pay-for-college
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x321001
liberal from boston
(856 posts)If I remember correctly Ryan & his family financially survived off his father's survivor Social Security Benefits?? Hypocrisy of this phony is breathtaking!!! The Catholic Bishops, Nuns, Franciscan Clergy, Protestant Bishops have all condemned Paul Ryan's Budget & Ryan had the actual nerve to say he based his budget on his "Catholic Beliefs". IMHO, I feel that Romney's choice of Ryan will energize the democratic base but we still have the problem of voter suppression. DOJ & ACLU needs to stop this illegal attack of voters.
bluestateguy
(44,173 posts)The police arrest people now for every little fucking thing.
DianaForRussFeingold
(2,552 posts)Uncle Joe
(58,355 posts)Thanks for the thread, NNN0LHI.
YOHABLO
(7,358 posts)Of course people of his age are scared to death that they are going to make drastic changes to Social Security and Medicare. The younger set are too indoctrinated with the mindset that people who only have SS and Medicare/ Medicaid are moochers. They don't realize that people have worked all of their lives putting money into these programs and are ENTITLED TO THEM. Paul Ryan is the Devil incarnate, no doubt. He requires his staff to read Ayn Rand .. go figure. Hopefully Romney's choice will backfire on him .. I hope seniors, who are very reliable voters, will come out in droves. We just have to make sure they're not purged from the voting rolls.
Do you think they could have handled that situation any differently? Couldn't have Ryan said something to quell the man's anger? Ryan needs to go back to McDonalds and flip burgers.
Smilo
(1,944 posts)checked every car outside for anyone who looked "Democrat" and/or displayed a democratic bumper sticker/sign - this is the next step up - anyone who sounds like a Democrat is not welcome and will be taken out - humiliated, in handcuffs and roughed up.
The soldier does not wish to appear a coward, disloyal, or un-American. The situation has been so defined that he can see himself as patriotic, courageous, and manly only through compliance.
reality_deviant"
Stanley Milgram
Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power
Benito Mussolini (Italian dictator, 1883-1945)
thecrow
(5,519 posts)Kinda like that obstructionist Norquist.
Zalatix
(8,994 posts)Swede Atlanta
(3,596 posts)Where only cheering crowds were allowed to enter..
As a democracy, the only thing that separates us from totalitarians is our openness. Politicians must be available to constituents and interested parties. Let's face it, today a politician's influence may go well beyond their district or even state.
So when we throttle public access (and respectful challenge) to politicians...we are no longer living in a democracy. We are living in a totalitarian regime that operates under the guise of populism.
BeHereNow
(17,162 posts)Anyone have a working link?
In advance, thanks!
BHN
NNN0LHI
(67,190 posts)magic59
(429 posts)while the SS police stood by and watched them? Their Back!
KansDem
(28,498 posts)Makes my blood boil!
Blanks
(4,835 posts)If we get stuck with these ass-clowns; I won't have to worry about it anymore.
I will just know that it won't be there.
Kyad06
(127 posts)I'm self employed so I have paid the whole tap for SS and Medicare for the last 22 years. These are not "entitlements" Fuck these bastards, this is the moment of truth.
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)dawn frenzy adams
(429 posts)God I hope this will be used in an ad. Especially the crack Ryan made about taking blood pressure medicine. Obviously Ryan is cruel.
johnlucas
(1,250 posts)Paul Ryan making jokes after that man tells it like it is.
Cops strongarming a senior citizen like that. Police State Police State Police State.
I had my disappointments with how Obama's been operating in this office but long ago I resolved to make sure he gets another term to get it right. This is the alternative if he doesn't get one more crack at it.
The Romney/Ryan ticket needs to be destroyed in November. This is a MUST, people.
John Lucas
P.S.: And add the Congressional races to that destruction too. We need a better Congress with hopefully Progressives in the Democrats who will actually FIGHT.
Initech
(100,068 posts)Now excuse while we loot the shit out of your retirement money and laugh all the way to the bank.
Comrade Funk
(6 posts)a disgrace to this country. A vote for him is a vote for the end of Medicare/Social Security, programs we fought so hard for.
Rhiannon12866
(205,320 posts)And welcome to DU!
Eddie Haskell
(1,628 posts)KCN
Dustin DeWinde
(193 posts)Imagine how much worse if Ryan was vice president
elbloggoZY27
(283 posts)This is really an abomination that a United States Citizen right here in the United States would be so badly treated but over a whole lot of years Citizens of the United States have been targeted by those who think the Constitution and Laws only are for them. Every culture here in these United States have been treated like vermin at some time and this needs to be stopped period.
It happened recently in a Movie Theater and a Temple.
These may be lone attacks but they do happen.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)Not a single news outlet, including those we like, have reported this, yet it speaks to the basic problem of this Republican candidate team. They don't give a crap about the 99% and they will go out of their way to treat working class people like criminals.
SemperEadem
(8,053 posts)the police would need to charge everyone in that room with tresspassing, then. They had no more of a right to be there than this gentleman.
Speaking to your congressman is supposed to be part of the political process-after all, THEY are the ones who sicc'd him on all of us.
kellytore
(182 posts)about his blood pressure medication. I can't wait for this prick to lose.
citizen blues
(570 posts)Betty Jo
(66 posts)BY LAW, YOU ARE ENTITLED TO THIS PROGRAM IF YOU ARE 65, or whatever.Like you are entitled to this if you are blind, am I correct ? I think the word is actualy in the text of the laws?
liberal N proud
(60,334 posts)But this is how they treat an infiltrator.
zbdent
(35,392 posts)even when he was asleep and prior to getting paid to do work ...