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edhopper

(33,575 posts)
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 09:12 AM Aug 2012

Why Ryan was a smart pick.

The "Villagers" love him. He is a "serious" thinker who makes the "hard choices". No matter how many economist like Krugman or Dean Baker show his budget to be a fraud, the journalist and pundits in the Beltway Village love that he wants the 99% to suffer.
As Atrios wrote today:

I will amplify his point that the centrists who comprise the Beltway media love Ryan's desire to inflict pain on the 99%. Like Dancin' Dave on Meet The Press with Axelrod:

“But if you look at how dire the fiscal situation is in the country, we just came off a debt debacle this past summer. Alan Simpson responding to the State of the Union said – where's the guts? Where's the hard stuff? Where's the beef? Where are the hard choices that Americans are going to have to make? What are Americans have--going to have to do with less of if this president gets re-election?”


Or during the GOP primaries:


To Jon Huntsman:

“This is, by all accounts, an age of austerity for this country. A jobs crisis. Also a pending crisis in Washington. I wonder what specifically you would do to say to Americans, "These are cuts I'm going to make in federal spending that cause pain, that will require sacrifice?"


They are reading and willing to make the budget debate about how much the lower classes will suffer, and NEVER about the wealthy paying their share of taxes. Romney has ensured the MSM will keep the dialog in his favor.

And frankly I don't trust Obama to call them on this bullshit. I think we will end up with competing austerity plans.
More pain for us, Yea.

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Why Ryan was a smart pick. (Original Post) edhopper Aug 2012 OP
nonsense. it was a desperation pick that does little for rMoney cali Aug 2012 #1
Maybe that's not an issue with Gov Scott taking care of the FL vote. n/t woodsprite Aug 2012 #23
K & R edhopper Aug 2012 #26
I think he was selected so the Rs have someone with name recognition to run in 2016 LonePirate Aug 2012 #2
They are going to have defend dismantling medicare. Warren Stupidity Aug 2012 #3
You see, edhopper Aug 2012 #6
I think Ryan was a smart pick rocktivity Aug 2012 #4
That Romney and Bush edhopper Aug 2012 #9
If the "Villagers" had any power, Obama would have been the one who suffered from the Bain attacks Marsala Aug 2012 #5
I think the Rs have self destructed again, MoonRiver Aug 2012 #7
It looks like a "smart pick" if you're rich. sibelian Aug 2012 #8
Most Americans edhopper Aug 2012 #11
actually, that's been a decreasing number for romney cali Aug 2012 #12
No edhopper Aug 2012 #14
uh, Obama is a dem cali Aug 2012 #18
Two years after the GOP edhopper Aug 2012 #20
They're not convinced. sibelian Aug 2012 #13
Not true edhopper Aug 2012 #16
! I have been misled, it seems sibelian Aug 2012 #17
I am not being all doom and gloom edhopper Aug 2012 #19
If they succeed in getting America to buy the asset-stripping ideology sibelian Aug 2012 #21
My main point edhopper Aug 2012 #22
I really REALLY hope you're wrong. sibelian Aug 2012 #25
Bleh, I think we now know why some (R)s want to speak at our convention. Motown_Johnny Aug 2012 #10
Ryan - highlights the fact they want to get rid of Medicare Rosa Luxemburg Aug 2012 #15
A Bushista 100% upi402 Aug 2012 #24
It seems that Paul Krugman agrees with me. edhopper Aug 2012 #27
 

cali

(114,904 posts)
1. nonsense. it was a desperation pick that does little for rMoney
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 09:14 AM
Aug 2012

And you don't need to trust Obama, but yeah, he'll call them on the bullshit no end. He wants to win. He'll keep doing what he's been successfully doing.

plus, Ryan makes it exceedingly difficult for rMoney to win FL.

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
3. They are going to have defend dismantling medicare.
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 09:16 AM
Aug 2012

This pick is part of the pre-concession speech Willard gave when he pleaded for Team Obama to lay off the taxes already. They are going to go on the record as being the party that wants to abolish medicare and social security, move the stakes even further right, and wait for 2016.

edhopper

(33,575 posts)
6. You see,
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 09:21 AM
Aug 2012

I remember the media vehemently defending Ryan when the Dems accused him of wanting to abolish Medicare.The kept saying he was just changing it. I believe Polifact said that the Dems claim was one of the biggest lies. Romney has just gotten the media on his side for Economics.

rocktivity

(44,576 posts)
4. I think Ryan was a smart pick
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 09:18 AM
Aug 2012

because now we can threaten voters with the replay of the Bush administration, garnished with the loss of our "trifecta."


rocktivity

edhopper

(33,575 posts)
9. That Romney and Bush
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 09:23 AM
Aug 2012

have the exact same policies doesn't seem to bother the majority of voters who still give him higher marks for economics than Obama.

Marsala

(2,090 posts)
5. If the "Villagers" had any power, Obama would have been the one who suffered from the Bain attacks
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 09:19 AM
Aug 2012

They're all just talking heads. They'll be reduced to sputtering, "But doesn't Medicare NEED to be dismantled completely?"

MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)
7. I think the Rs have self destructed again,
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 09:22 AM
Aug 2012

ala Sarah Palin. Yeah Ryan is smarter, but that makes him a lot more dangerous in the eyes of the sane majority.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
12. actually, that's been a decreasing number for romney
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 09:26 AM
Aug 2012

and most Americans don't want to see Medicare diminished, remade or eliminated.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
18. uh, Obama is a dem
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 09:41 AM
Aug 2012

and he had a dem congress until a couple of years ago. you make it sound like no dem ever gets elected.

edhopper

(33,575 posts)
20. Two years after the GOP
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 09:44 AM
Aug 2012

almost destroyed our economy, the good voters gave them a grand victory.
We could easily lose the Senate this time. And I am not discounting Romney, as so many here are. Don't underestimate him, the GIOP, or the voters' stupidity.

edhopper

(33,575 posts)
16. Not true
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 09:30 AM
Aug 2012
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/story/2012-07-23/poll-romney-obama-economy/56439758/1

"By more than 2-1, 63%-29%, those surveyed say Romney's background in business, including his tenure at the private equity firm Bain Capital, would cause him to make good decisions, not bad ones, in dealing with the nation's economic problems over the next four years."

sibelian

(7,804 posts)
21. If they succeed in getting America to buy the asset-stripping ideology
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 09:45 AM
Aug 2012

the US isn't just doomed, it's damned.

sibelian

(7,804 posts)
25. I really REALLY hope you're wrong.
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 09:55 AM
Aug 2012

I say this from a very insulated socialist country. It won't be for much longer if Romney gets in. What happens in the States eventually happens everywhere else.

upi402

(16,854 posts)
24. A Bushista 100%
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 09:51 AM
Aug 2012

His Congressional record will be fun. The doughy middle of the road voters will choke on his extremism. Just hope they vote.

edhopper

(33,575 posts)
27. It seems that Paul Krugman agrees with me.
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 07:43 PM
Aug 2012
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/08/13/the-ryan-role/

"What Ryan is good at is exploiting the willful gullibility of the Beltway media, using a soft-focus style to play into their desire to have a conservative wonk they can say nice things about. And apparently the trick still works."
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