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[randome]

1. I think there are homophobes and misogynists in every category you list.

It's not as clear as you imagine.

Welcome to DU!

[ChickFullofHate]

3. OK so when was the last time

a group of American Muslims got together and passed a law to keep a Christian Church out of their town?

[randome]

18. When did they pass laws to keep women subserviant?

[heaven05]

17. yes

yes, it IS very clear with no shading or equivocation. very clear about the american taliban(christians). usually white male but you have more Bachmanns than is clearly stated.

[MADem]

27. These assertions are actually rather horrific.

It is rank racism to ascribe a surfeit of virtue to a population based on their racial characteristics, just as it s rank racism to ascribe criminality, laziness, slyness, cheapness, you-name-it-ness, to a group based upon their membership in a racial or ethnic group.

MLK was a very conservative Christian. Does his hue give him a pass? How about Fr. Mychal Judge, who died ministering to others on 911? He was a member of one of the most conservative faiths, Catholicism, going. Does the fact that he was a celibate gay man give HIM a pass? How about those Nuns on the Bus? They aren't Unitarians--they're Catholics. Father Drinan, the Berrigan Brothers...the assertion is simply without foundation. Sure, if you wanted me to name a bunch of jerks who were in the same category, I could, but that broad brush appears to be poking the OP in the eye in a big way.

This OP is just wrong on a number of levels. It's probably the most unprogressive thing I've seen here in a while.

[Moonwalk]

40. Apples and Oranges: a Homophobic Hispanic is not the same as being part of a homophobic faith

The question is, which groups make such exclusion a part of their teachings, agenda, values and belief system? Even a part of how they define themselves and who belongs to their group? An African American might not want a woman to have birth control and might fight against it, but African Americans aren't, as a unified group, trying to keep insurance companies from giving women birth control. And no African American would say, "You're not African American!" if a fellow African American said, "I believe in birth control for women."

But the Bishops of the Catholic Church said to a group of nuns that they weren't being truly Catholic (part of the faith, part of the church, part of the group) if they weren't also teaching that being gay is wrong.

Your point is valid, but apples and oranges in regards to most of the groups on the list. Not all, but most.

[1-Old-Man]

2. Actually the only people who can an do do that are Judges.

[zeemike]

11. Yep judges and law makers.

Cause their whole purpose is to protect us from it...and if they don't do their job then that is what you get.

[Vattel]

4. The federal government has been doing a lot of that for a long time.

[cali]

5. ugh. another distasteful post from you.

no surprise.

[ChickFullofHate]

9. So stating a fact is distasteful now?

interesting.


If my words offed you can always choose not to read or comment on my posts.

From my POV only American Conservative Christians have been attacking my and others rights and freedoms for my entire life.

[cali]

10. you didn't state a fact, dearie.

[ChickFullofHate]

13. So according to you it is a lie that American Conservative Christians

have not been actively working and in some cases succeeding in taking away or denying people’s rights and freedoms.

Where have you been the last 50 years, in a coma or something?

[cali]

15. uh, no. I said nothing of the sort, sweetums.

way to put words in my mouth that I never came close to uttering. nasty little habit that.

[heaven05]

20. truth

by and large this post by chickfullofhate is the truth. truth can be distasteful, I guess.

[cali]

23. by and large this op is an over generalization

ergo it is not factual- and truth is rooted in facts.

[heaven05]

32. every

every group stated in chicks OP has been damned, in the name of jesus, by the christians of this country. period. That's the fact, ergo learn some history please. White males, Falwells, Robertsons, racists and haters passing as christians spew racial and generic hate daily. FACT.

[Bluenorthwest]

6. Homophobes are not all white, and I am sick of that fucking denialism.

African American Churches have some of the most hate soaked preachers and dogmas of any in the land. To attempt to deny that is you, OP, doing a wrong to those already victimized by those professional hate mongers.
And I'm editing to add that the only secular group to approach me with fully anti gay literature was the Revolutionary Communist Party. The worst hate material I ever read, RCP. I will never, ever forget it. They did it twice.

[ChickFullofHate]

7. So Blacks cannot be American Christian Conservatives now?

interesting.

[cali]

12. Grab a clue, honey.

YOU claimed in your OP that African Americans don't "take away rights".

[ChickFullofHate]

14. You are missing the point entirely

I will make this really easy on you...

Name one piece of legislation written and submitted to congress by the Congressional Black Caucus that takes away someone rights or freedoms.

[cali]

16. you are making a grotesque generalization

How about dem mayors who threatened to block that chicken store because of the bigoted speech of the CEO?

Look, the xian right is a threat, no doubt about it, but that doesn't mean everyone else is pure as the driven snow.

[annabanana]

19. YOU are the one who inserted "white" in the qualifiers. . n/t

[Bluenorthwest]

26. No, I am saying you are wrong when you say what you said:

"The ONLY ones who consistently try to take away individual rights and freedoms are White Christian Conservatives."
Try to stick to the conversation. You said it, I disagreed.

[nc4bo]

8. True. True. True.

It's disgusting especially when you consider the fight we(AA's) went and continue to go through.

I'm always surprised to see how many AAs, who consider themselves "good christians" side with the bigots.

[Bluenorthwest]

31. I have had a long relationship with African American churches. Some are just wonderful and

some are the opposite, just like other churches. It just gets old hearing that they are all splendid when we know that people are people, no group is innocent.

[nc4bo]

36. Again, true.

A bigot is a bigot is a bigot. Bigotry and bigoted attitudes are not limited to any race, religion, ethnicity nor any other factor that makes one human different from another.

It's all ugly.

[heaven05]

29. awww

Yes , you are correct, but having been in AA churches they are just parroting what they think the white rightwingnut CHRISTIAN churches are saying and it wasn't AA churches that condoned slavery, segregation and racial hate that contributed to the hate, racism, homophobia and religious insanity prevalent across america today! So all of you DENIERS AND ENABLERS get a clue. Chick you're telling the truth and a lot of people can't look in the mirror and see the ugly staring them in the face.

[Bluenorthwest]

33. So your claim is that when a black minister delivers a nasty sermon, that's not really his will?

He's just an imitation of that which he's seen? That's pretty frightening thinking. Your claim is that when some peoples engage in bigotry, they are innocent because they are really just 'parroting whites'? Wow.

[d_r]

43. Here is an example

On 2004, the state of Michigan went blue and voted for Obama. In that same election, the state also voted for a state constitutional amendment barring gay marriage.

In every county of the state, the votes against the amendment paralleled the votes for Obama; counties that voted for Obama voted against the amendment in approximately the same proportion. With one exception: Wayne County. Wayne county was overwhelmingly for Obama and against gay marriage. The difference was the African-American churches in Detroit, who got the vote out for Obama and against gay marriage.

Another example is that one of the strongest voices against gay marriage in New York was from conservative Orthodox Jews in NYC.

And really, you think that Islam supports gay marriage? Seriously?

On the other hand, there are liberal Christians that do support gay marriage.

You are painting with a broad brush, over simplifying the world, and that doesn't do you any more favors than it does the right wingers you are speaking against.

[MADem]

21. When you paint with a broad brush, don't be surprised if you get spattered.

I've known some virulent Asian racists. I've known some Hispanic ones, too. There are plenty of racists, homophobes, and generic haters, I am quite certain, in every group you name.

Just because you are a member of one group that might be under-represented in the USA does not mean that every single person in that under-represented group is a paragon of virtue.

And anarchists? Please. When they trash a public utility or facility so you can't use it, they're denying you your rights and freedoms.

I'm not a particular fan of American Conservative Christians, but I'll bet there are some decent 'live and let live' apples in that bunch. Like those Nuns on the Bus, for example.

I don't think much of your OP.

[heaven05]

35. YEAH

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IT'S NOT PAINTED BROAD ENOUGH, TO TELL THE TRUTH. Sure every group you named has it's haters, yet american rightwing christians are the vocal minority that get the most press, and until the nuns on the bus and the live and let live crowd stands up to the christian wingnuts and tell them to sit down and shut up, nothing will change about the hate and racism spewing from the leaders and followers of that camp. the majority of "good Christians" are mighty quiet about racism, hate directed toward any one group. When I see outrage from the "good christians", I will agree with your assessment. Until then, Chick keep it in their face. I know I will.

[cali]

37. two new posters. how interesting.

[MADem]

41. Way to miss the point and join in an enthusiasm for unbridled bigotry.

The OP denigrates one group, and raises up a bunch of others.

That's rank discrimination on the basis of religion, race, and a variety of other affiliations.

It is a bigoted approach and I don't think it belongs on DU.

Criticize people for their ACTIONS. Don't criticize people for their affiliations, unless their affiliations are uniformly problematic (the Nazi Party, for example).

Just because a person has conservative religious views (like the people I have mentioned elsewhere in this thread) does not mean they will act in a bigoted way towards anyone. Saying so is a bridge way too far.

Shame.

[JoeyT]

22. This automatically made me think of a

book by Carl Hiaasen where he talks about how white, black, and latino came together to put gay people in their place.

I'll add to the groups listed by pointing out there are homophobic atheists, too. There are plenty of misogynistic atheists. (Deep rifts!)
There are misogynists and homophobes in every group you mentioned, and in almost every other minority group.

Probably the easiest way to make your statement factually correct would be to broaden it a bit. The culture war isn't limited to WCCs, but it is limited to conservatives on one side. You don't have to look far to find someone from one of those groups that's fine with oppressing gays, women, or other minorities, but you wouldn't have to look a long way to find someone willing to do that that isn't a conservative.

[RKP5637]

47. What it really needs is a Venn diagram to graphically show the overlap

between these groups. To me, it's a gray area ... because, I think there is a lot of overlap when it comes to one group wanting to take away rights and freedoms from another.

Also, MSM really pushes all conflicts they can for profit, so the white American Conservative Christian card plays well for MSM.

Long story short, I am not religious at all, all I'm trying to do is see the commonality in these groups in those wanting to do the same to others in certain areas, to take away rights and freedoms from them. It stretches across all of them in one way or another IMO.

[slackmaster]

24. I would be great if things were so simple

But they're not.

Not to cast asparagus on any of our new members, just observing that there are a lot of names that are new but are posting ideas that seem, well, familiar this morning.

[cali]

34. no shit. It's beginning to get very annoying.

[pintobean]

45. Looking at the profiles of the reccers

can be rather interesting, as well.

[loli phabay]

25. i guess the solution to what you see as the problem should be final.

bigots come in all shapes sizes and colours as im sure you are personally aware.

[Ty Templeton]

30. I'll give you lesbians

On that list, I think it's likely that lesbians don't take away rights from anyone. Other than that, I'm not sure I agree. Abusive husbands and fathers deny rights to their victims every day. Churches discriminate in all communities, not just the Christian ones, and anyone robbing me, assaulting me or harming me is infringing my rights. And the idea that there aren't lobby groups for every interested party, including corporate lobby groups taking away your property rights, or rights to form a union, without any basis in religion, whatsoever, is just silly. Of course there are corporations abusing your rights, and local churches messing with their congregations, and evil pricks being evil everywhere.

Do Christian Conservatives stick under my saddle? Hell, yeah. A bunch of intrusive jackasses, as far as I'm concerned, we could do with less of 'em. But to pretend that there are no rights-denying Asian jackasses or Jews abusing power somewhere is ludicrous. Jackasses abound! To tie any of that to ethnicity or skin colour is the definition of racism.

Ironic!

[heaven05]

38. culture

AMERICAN culture IS RACIST. Period...Stand your ground by and large is racist. DWB,SWB,WWB, and it all started way back with good christians at the helm. When the truly non-racist stand up and tell their brethren to shut up and sit down then that will be the start of something positive. All you apologists just don't live down here in the trenches.

[cali]

39. oh and now it's the apologist pile of dog shit.

lame as can be.

[RKP5637]

49. Well said! IMO it cuts across many groups! n/t

[madokie]

42. Always will be the problem also

[Jamaal510]

44. I somewhat agree with this post, but I also disagree.

The REAL group of people who take away rights and freedoms in America are the plutocrats. Christian Conservatives are simply a product of the reign by the elite. The plutocrats have mass control of the media and can dump millions into messaging towards policies that would send us back to the Gilded Era, and they are the ones who are taking away our economic freedom via politicians who want to enact tax hikes on the working class. People like the Koch Brothers are the ones who pay for politicians who want to bring back Segregation and disenfranchise voting groups.

[RKP5637]

48. Well said!!! n/t

[freshwest]

50. You win the thread! Thanks, Jamaal

[heaven05]

52. right

jamaal,succinctly put.

[aikoaiko]

46. Boxxy says....

[GOPonziconz]

51. WHITE RIGHT WING CHRISTIAN CONSERVATIVES DISRESPECT THIS COUNTRY,

SMEAR POOP ALL OVER IT AND WHEN THEY GET BOOTED OUT THEY CREATE AS BIG AN OBSTRUCTION AS POSSIBLE WITH WHATEVER POWER THEY HAVE and the downward spiral commences.

Every single time Republicans get in the country is turned upside down. They immediately start assaulting RELIGIOUS FREEDOMS and try to impose their right wing Christian stupidity on the entire country, attack minorities, social programs and start dismantling and tearing everything apart. They think the judicial system is to make Dems pay for trumped up improprieties they themselves are guilty of!

They destroy the economy, use our children's lives to make millions in wars and let our infrastructure crumble and collapse.

WHITE RIGHT WING CHRISTIANS CONSERVATIVES ARE THE ENEMY AND THEY ALWAYS HAVE BEEN. THEY DO NOTHING, SQUAT, DIDDLY, ZIP, ZERO FOR THE COUNTRY OR THE PEOPLE.