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Tue Jul 31, 2012, 12:59 PM

Found this on my desk this AM at work from a right winger. So wrong on so many levels

Obviously the writer has been brainwashed by a steady stream of Fox/Rush/Beck etc for writing this pile of excrement......

Wake up America
This young lady, age 21 has got it right!!!!
And she is from Waco
Don’t you agree?
“If you can’t fix it with a hammer, you’ve got an electrical problem”

Written by a 21 year old female, Wow. This girl has a great plan! Love the last thing she would do the best.

This was written by a 21 year old female who gets it. It’s her future she’s worried about and this is how she feels about the social welfare big government state that she’s being forced to live in! These solutions are just common sense in her opinion.

This was in the Waco Tribune Herald, Waco, TX November 18, 2011

PUT ME IN CHARGE…

Put me in charge of food stamps, I’d get rid of Lone Star cards; no cash for Ding Dongs or Ho HO’s, just money for 50 pound bags of rice and beans, blocks of cheese and all the powered milk you can haul away. If you want steak and frozen pizza then get a job.

Put me in charge of Medicaid. The first thing I’d do is to get woman Norplant birth control implants or tubal legations. Then, we’ll test recipients for drugs, alcohol and nicotine. If you want to reproduce or use drugs, alcohol, or smoke, then get a job.

Put me in charge of government housing. Ever live in military barracks? You will maintain our property in a clean good state of repair. Your home “ will be subject to inspections anytime and possessions will be inventoried. If you want a plasma TV or Xbox 360, then get a job and you own place.

In addition, you will either present a check stub from a job each week or you will report to a “government” job. It may be cleaning the roadways of trash, painting and repairing public housing, whatever we find for you. We will sell your 22 inch rims and low profile tires and your blasting stereo and speakers and put that money toward the “common good”.

Before you write that I’ve violated someone’s rights, realize that all of the above is voluntary. If you want our money, accept our rules. Before you say that this would be “demeaning” and ruin their “self esteem,” consider that it wasn’t that long ago that taking someone else’s money for doing absolutely nothing was demeaning and lowered self esteem.

If we are expected to pay for other people’s mistakes we should at least attempt to make them learn from their bad choices. The current system rewards them for continuing to make bad choices.

AND while you are on Govt subsistence, you no longer can VOTE! Yes, that is correct. For you to vote would be a conflict of interest. You will voluntarily remove yourself from voting while you are receiving Govt welfare check. If you want to vote, then get a job.

Now if you have the guts pass it on…

MY COMMENT IS, THIS YOUNG GIRL DOESN'T REALIZE THAT SOME DAY SHE MIGHT NEED THE SO CALLED "EVIL GOVERNMENT" HELP AND WILL ONE DAY REGRET SHE WROTE THIS. THIS HAS SO MUCH RIGHT WING GARBAGE AND STEREOTYPES YOU KNOW SHE IS TALKING ABOUT MINORITIES WHILE NOT REALIZING MORE WHITE PEOPLE ARE ON GOVERNMENT ASSISTANCE THAN MINORITIES

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Reply Found this on my desk this AM at work from a right winger. So wrong on so many levels (Original post)
kimbutgar Jul 2012 OP
Brickbat Jul 2012 #1
trof Jul 2012 #68
lonestarnot Aug 2012 #95
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Response to kimbutgar (Original post)

Tue Jul 31, 2012, 01:02 PM

1. ROFLMAO.

"21 year old female".

This was originally a letter to the editor from a Mr. Alfred W. Evans in Waco, Texas. At least, according to the Internet.

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Response to Brickbat (Reply #1)

Tue Jul 31, 2012, 07:41 PM

68. And he's illiterate.

'Nuff said.

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Response to trof (Reply #68)

Wed Aug 1, 2012, 10:10 AM

95. An idjit.

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Response to Brickbat (Reply #1)

Tue Jul 31, 2012, 09:56 PM

82. And what the hell is a "welfare check?" Unemployment? Food stamps? Is there a check that the gov'

 

gives out called "welfare?"

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Response to kimbutgar (Original post)

Tue Jul 31, 2012, 01:04 PM

2. One thing she has right and does not even realize it

The government road cleaning roadways and all that... we call that the WPA.

She is at heart a commie!

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #2)

Tue Jul 31, 2012, 01:20 PM

21. Are you calling the late President Roosevelt, a communist?

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Response to SlimJimmy (Reply #21)

Tue Jul 31, 2012, 04:11 PM

59. The right hated President Roosevelt. I loved him. He was a rich man that knew what

 

the common man felt like.

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Response to southernyankeebelle (Reply #59)

Tue Jul 31, 2012, 04:36 PM

64. I'm sure they did. I know, my father, who was a staunch Democrat, loved the man. But with

that said, I'm wondering if Nadin was calling him a communist? I know his policies were socialist in nature, but that's what got the nation through the hard times we lived in. I would never refer to him as a communist, though.

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Response to kimbutgar (Original post)

Tue Jul 31, 2012, 01:05 PM

3. Sounds like she's advocating a socialist society.

And the part about not being able to vote? What does that have to do with anything? "Conflict of interest"? I can't wait for this '21 year old girl' to have to "get a job". I'm betting some 45 year old douche living in his mother's basement wrote this with one hand on the keyboard.

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Response to louis-t (Reply #3)

Wed Aug 1, 2012, 12:56 AM

86. So no voting if you use government services?

Like public education and our road systems? How about if you are a farmer who benefits from the Farm Bill (which is about all of them)? Or a government employee? So many things wrong with the whole viewpoint...

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Response to kimbutgar (Original post)

Tue Jul 31, 2012, 01:06 PM

4. No dog whistles there . . . .



Funny how Repukes drone on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on about the "welfare queen system gamers" while completely excusing (and wishing they'll be) the wealthy system gamers, who do far more damage to this nation collectively.

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Response to kimbutgar (Original post)

Tue Jul 31, 2012, 01:07 PM

5. So... I can keep my Obamacare.

Sweet!

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Response to kimbutgar (Original post)

Tue Jul 31, 2012, 01:09 PM

6. I thought right-wingers hated government-funded contraception

I'm confused

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Response to arcane1 (Reply #6)

Tue Jul 31, 2012, 03:37 PM

47. Espechully those tooble leg-ations!

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Response to kimbutgar (Original post)

Tue Jul 31, 2012, 01:09 PM

7. Far too grammatical and correctly spelled to be the work of 21 year old wingnut, male or female..

Someone spent some time on this, it's actually not badly written from an internet posting standpoint, particularly for a wingnut.

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Response to kimbutgar (Original post)

Tue Jul 31, 2012, 01:10 PM

8. "AND while you are on Govt subsistence, you no longer can VOTE!"

Well, that means the only people who can vote are....well....let me check this again....oh here it is....no one.

Lovely logic.

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Reply #8)

Tue Jul 31, 2012, 01:49 PM

28. By her logic (doubt it is written by who is claimed to have written it)

Nobody in the military should be allowed to vote cause there is a conflict of interest.

Nobody that attends church should be allowed to vote cause they might change the Constitution so taxpayer money could constitutionally be given as tithing to their church.

Nobody in government should be allowed to vote cause there is a conflict of interest.

Nobody receiving state or federal aid for natural disasters should be allowed to vote.

Nobody that is receiving Social Security should be allowed to vote.

Nobody that has received federal college aid should be allowed to vote.

Nobody that uses the infrastructure paid with federal monies should be allowed to vote.

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Response to kimbutgar (Original post)

Tue Jul 31, 2012, 01:10 PM

9. Sounds like Communism to me

"We will sell your 22 inch rims and low profile tires and your blasting stereo and speakers and put that money toward the “common good”. "

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Response to 1-Old-Man (Reply #9)

Wed Aug 1, 2012, 12:39 AM

85. How many welfare recipients even HAVE 22-inch rims?

A cheap set of 22-inch rims is $1800, with no tires on it. The car they go on is extra.

For that matter, how many welfare recipients have cars at all?

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Response to kimbutgar (Original post)

Tue Jul 31, 2012, 01:10 PM

10. The scariest part of this supposed LTTE:

"AND while you are on Govt subsistence, you no longer can VOTE! For you to vote would be a conflict of interest. You will voluntarily remove yourself from voting while you are receiving Govt welfare check. If you want to vote, then get a job."

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Response to kimbutgar (Original post)

Tue Jul 31, 2012, 01:11 PM

11. If this "21 year old female" is real ...

... she's a stupid, privileged jerk. Perhaps, once she's lived on her own for a few years, she'll learn a bit about life.

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Response to kimbutgar (Original post)

Tue Jul 31, 2012, 01:12 PM

12. So much fail on so many levels.

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Response to kimbutgar (Original post)

Tue Jul 31, 2012, 01:13 PM

13. That fascist wants the BIGGEST GOVERNMENT of all.

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Response to kimbutgar (Original post)

Tue Jul 31, 2012, 01:13 PM

14. Evidently you have to follow the rules if you take gov. money if you're poor not if you're Catholic

The ongoing hypocrisy from the right wing nut jobs never ceases to amaze me.

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Response to kimbutgar (Original post)

Tue Jul 31, 2012, 01:14 PM

15. I thought they were anti-birth control?



Yea, punish the poor for what the rich Romney's of the world do to everyone, that'll help!

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Response to kimbutgar (Original post)

Tue Jul 31, 2012, 01:15 PM

16. My sister sent me something like this.

My reply to her was: WOW you want to control what people who get a couple thousand dollars a year of government money can spend it on. Fine. When do I get to control what companies who get millions of dollars in government subsidies get to spend that money on?

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Response to Waltons_Mtn (Reply #16)

Wed Aug 1, 2012, 10:06 AM

94. very good!

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Response to kimbutgar (Original post)

Tue Jul 31, 2012, 01:15 PM

17. What's a "tubal legation?"

They put an IUD in your thigh or something?

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Response to Atman (Reply #17)

Tue Jul 31, 2012, 02:12 PM

34. I believe it's the diplomatic headquarters of the Intertubes

Julian Assange may yet end up there claiming asylum.

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Response to kimbutgar (Original post)

Tue Jul 31, 2012, 01:15 PM

18. Another bullshit internet fantasy e-mail screed.

Although, it does highlight the Right Wing's hatred of the Consitutional rights of fellow citizens.

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Response to kimbutgar (Original post)

Tue Jul 31, 2012, 01:17 PM

19. Bwahaha! Her last paragraph excludes most oil tycoons and big bidness owners. nt

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Response to kimbutgar (Original post)

Tue Jul 31, 2012, 01:20 PM

20. First of all....

Why is this person leaving this crap on your desk? I used to put up this type of shit from Right Wingers, until I decided they had no right to use my job a their soapbox. I especially hate it when they know their co-workers feel different then they do, but hassle them anyway. They have a way of making your working environment very unpleasant.

Republicans and religious nuts have major boundary issues and I've learned that if you ignore them, it only encourages them. They're like fruit flies. They'll keep buzzing around your desk until you kill them.

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Response to kimbutgar (Original post)

Tue Jul 31, 2012, 01:28 PM

22. What's the Snopes debunk on this?

Print it up nicely, and leave it on your desk - Perhaps under a "please keep LIES off my desk" header.

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Response to kimbutgar (Original post)

Tue Jul 31, 2012, 01:30 PM

23. I'd suggset you go to this link:

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Response to kimbutgar (Original post)

Tue Jul 31, 2012, 01:32 PM

24. She plans on getting rid of Congress??

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Response to kimbutgar (Original post)

Tue Jul 31, 2012, 01:36 PM

25. Welfare queens rolling on 22's

Is the new stereotype, I guess. There are way too many racist dog whistles in this to take it seriously.

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Response to taught_me_patience (Reply #25)

Tue Jul 31, 2012, 03:46 PM

49. They also drive Mercedes and BMWs now, instead of Cadillacs.

And, they all claim to have seen someone using food stamps and then going out to one such a vehicle.

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Response to kimbutgar (Original post)

Tue Jul 31, 2012, 01:38 PM

26. Bring back workhouses and debtors prisons, huh?

The 1% wouldn't have it any other way. Maybe we could even have company-owned towns, too.

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Response to kimbutgar (Original post)

Tue Jul 31, 2012, 01:42 PM

27. I hope

I really hope (I know this is evil) - that young brat has a horrible run of bad luck in her life.

She is not a young lady - no lady/WOMAN who is worth her salt would want to be associated with 'that'. Myself included.

The little snot nosed brat.

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #27)

Tue Jul 31, 2012, 02:02 PM

31. I do not think this was written by a young 21-year-old brat.

In my opinion, it was written by a mature right-winger.

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Response to RebelOne (Reply #31)

Tue Jul 31, 2012, 03:13 PM

41. See reply #40. Written in 2010 by an ex-GI.

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Reply #41)

Tue Jul 31, 2012, 03:36 PM

45. Thanks for bringing that to my attention.

I figured it was written by a man.

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Response to kimbutgar (Original post)

Tue Jul 31, 2012, 01:51 PM

29. She has no clue how many teabilly half-wits would be prevented from voting

by that last part. We'd probably get the long end of the stick on that one. They make the mistake of thinking everyone on government assistance is a liberal minority. They definitely aren't all liberal and most of them are white.

We also have rich trust fund babies living off the government. Dad might launder our tax dollars through a few corporations but jr still lays on his ass at taxpayer expense.

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Response to kimbutgar (Original post)

Tue Jul 31, 2012, 01:57 PM

30. Who ever wrote the "intro" was apparently VERY impressed that a 21 year old female wrote this

Most of us got it on the first reference...but I assume that's because our reading comprehension skills are sharper than the target audience for this tripe.

But don't you think "Alfred" is a strange name for a female of any age?

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Response to deutsey (Reply #30)

Tue Jul 31, 2012, 03:54 PM

55. And she's from WACO!!!

I guess rightwingers have a low impression of people from that town

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Response to arcane1 (Reply #55)

Tue Jul 31, 2012, 09:41 PM

76. Yeah, what the heck did that mean? Is there something special about Waco? Nt

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Response to kimbutgar (Original post)

Tue Jul 31, 2012, 02:04 PM

32. To paraphrase Ripley, "Did IQs drop while I was gone?"

To paraphrase Ripley, "Did IQs drop while I was gone?"

The only thing you leave on a co worker's desk are work related. Political tracts are not work related and RW ones that if followed would cause the loss of your and your idiot co-worker jobs are really a bad idea.

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Response to kimbutgar (Original post)

Tue Jul 31, 2012, 02:09 PM

33. You must work where I work.

I'm tilting at windmills all day. It's a wonder we turn a profit, as much time as these fuckers infest my doorway jabbering about the underclass stealing us blind.

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Response to reflection (Reply #33)

Tue Jul 31, 2012, 03:52 PM

52. The solution: Earplugs!!!!

Tell em your name is Heywood Jabuzzoff.

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Response to kimbutgar (Original post)

Tue Jul 31, 2012, 02:15 PM

35. So now if you are poor or become unemployed

you loose your rights? And instead of making people do govenment jobs for free, pay them so they'll be paying taxes and not living on government aid.

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Response to kimbutgar (Original post)

Tue Jul 31, 2012, 02:15 PM

36. "Powered milk" sounds kind of dangerous

Bzzzzzzzt!

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Response to kimbutgar (Original post)

Tue Jul 31, 2012, 02:19 PM

37. Young girl?

No young girl that wrote that. Some grizzled old teabagger most likely trying to fool someone.

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Response to kimbutgar (Original post)

Tue Jul 31, 2012, 02:21 PM

38. Gads, that is revolting.

If some individual actually sat down and wrote that piece of fascist bumfodder I hope piano falls out of the sky on them at the earliest possible opportunity.

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Response to hifiguy (Reply #38)

Tue Jul 31, 2012, 03:47 PM

50. I'd personally rather have a Monty Python-esque giant foot stomp on them.

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Response to Initech (Reply #50)

Tue Jul 31, 2012, 03:50 PM

51. Ooh! I like that idea even better.

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Response to kimbutgar (Original post)

Tue Jul 31, 2012, 03:01 PM

39. Why tubal "legations"

When vasectomies would be so much more cost effective?

Blatant sexism, as usual from the right wingers!

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Response to kimbutgar (Original post)

Tue Jul 31, 2012, 03:04 PM

40. Oh look, the 'girl's' name is Alfred W. Evans. Was posted in 2010.

Nice racism there as well. Here's where the lovely piece came from:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2649359/posts

Posted on Thursday, December 30, 2010 10:07:28 AM by karl_from_wylie

Alfred W. Evans’ letter to the Waco Tribune Herald....

And here the author (retired military guy) takes credit for writing it:

http://silencedogood2010.wordpress.com/2010/12/21/put-me-in-charge/

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Reply #40)

Tue Jul 31, 2012, 03:17 PM

43. Yes indeed. Because it sounds so much wiser comoing from a 21 y.o. girl.

Sheesh.

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Response to kimbutgar (Original post)

Tue Jul 31, 2012, 03:15 PM

42. This is on its 50th lap around the internet. That imaginary 21 year old is 40 now.

I love how the "big gov't is evil" RW hands around these Big Brother screeds as if they're just fabulous ideas.

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Response to kimbutgar (Original post)

Tue Jul 31, 2012, 03:23 PM

44. Put me in charge.

The first thing I'll do is order a drone strike on FOX News.

Put me in charge.

I'll order mandatory mental health evaluations for every member of Freerepublic.

Put me in charge.

I'll draft Limbaugh, Hannity and the rest of their ilk and have them sent to Afghanistan.

Put me in charge.

I'll have Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld over-nighted to Gitmo.

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Response to Ganja Ninja (Reply #44)

Tue Jul 31, 2012, 03:36 PM

46. I like yours better.

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Response to Ganja Ninja (Reply #44)

Tue Jul 31, 2012, 03:52 PM

53. One thing about this that really pisses me off:

This dolt repeatedly makes the claim that people with jobs are better off l. How do they explain something like Walmart where they treat employees like garbage and intentionally keep them from unionizing so their wages and working conditions increase? What the hell is wrong with these psychos???

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Response to kimbutgar (Original post)

Tue Jul 31, 2012, 03:43 PM

48. "Now if you have the guts pass it on… " Gee, thanks for sharing. nt

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Response to kimbutgar (Original post)

Tue Jul 31, 2012, 03:53 PM

54. The Nazis were into population control and racist eugenics.

Sterilizing the non-whites and the Jews.

The author will have a great future as a Nazi.

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Response to kimbutgar (Original post)

Tue Jul 31, 2012, 03:59 PM

56. I stopped reading after "Ding Dongs and Ho Hos".

That was written by somebody who obviously doesn't do the grocery shopping, or is one of the most unobservant people on the planet. I'm pretty sure that are no states that would allow one to buy junk food like Ding Dongs with their food stamps. Or, steak or frozen pizza, for that matter. And, if every other state is like mine, they put little signs under products that are eligible for purchase using EBT (state food stamps) or WIC, It is usually right next to the price. I have never seen it next to anything other than inexpensive, good-for-you foods.

This pile of crap shows its author to be nothing but a cruel, heartless person. I would like to see him or her be forced to live on beans, rice, government cheese and powdered milk for the rest of his/her pathetic life and see how he/she likes it. Self-righteous asshole. Not going to read the rest, as that first paragraph was sickening enough.

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Response to GoCubsGo (Reply #56)

Tue Jul 31, 2012, 04:18 PM

61. WIC

has specific foods you can buy on the program; "food stamps" (at least here in PA) will get you anything that is "food"--no paper products or pet food but yes you could buy Ding-Dongs (but Tastykakes are so much better!)

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Response to Freddie (Reply #61)

Tue Jul 31, 2012, 08:11 PM

70. Yeah, but Tastykakes aren't national.

We have the best junk food food stamps can buy. Nevermind Turkey Hill Ice Cream!

-- Mal

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Response to GoCubsGo (Reply #56)

Tue Jul 31, 2012, 09:43 PM

78. So I guess ring dings and yodels are ok? Yes!!!

What a heartless excuse for a human being,

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Response to kimbutgar (Original post)

Tue Jul 31, 2012, 04:02 PM

57. Serious Question. Why are you bothering us with something you should be complaining about to HR?

This is workplace harassment.

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Response to kimbutgar (Original post)

Tue Jul 31, 2012, 04:09 PM

58. Two thoughts here

The content is pretty much complete crap and that is not the issue. The issue is how does one respond.

Option 1). Wad it up into a very visible ball and leave it on your desk so that the person who left it can clearly see your feelings.

Option 2). Shred it and never mention that it ever arrived on your desk, denying them the satisfaction of any response.

I would go with 2, but the choice is yours of course.

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Response to Sherman A1 (Reply #58)

Tue Jul 31, 2012, 07:36 PM

67. I sad very loudly "this is the biggest piece of crap I have ever read".

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Response to kimbutgar (Original post)

Tue Jul 31, 2012, 04:16 PM

60. No dear, I don't have the guts

to be that mean to fellow human beings. I also don't have the guts to be that stupid but that is beside the point.

Sounds like someone, doubtfully a 20 year old, has always had enough of what they need to make things better for themselves. Very hard to become anything when you have nothing and once at nothing assistance is needed to get back into things and try to make something better for yourself. We are all in this together, sadly we are together with people like this.

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Response to kimbutgar (Original post)

Tue Jul 31, 2012, 04:21 PM

62. Makes me want a grading pencil.

You know, the red one.

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Response to kimbutgar (Original post)

Tue Jul 31, 2012, 04:21 PM

63. Just saw the update. Written by an ANGRy old man. Makes sense.

"AND while you are on Govt subsistence, you no longer can VOTE! Yes, that is correct. For you to vote would be a conflict of interest. You will voluntarily remove yourself from voting while you are receiving Govt welfare check. If you want to vote, then get a job."

Really?? Because I kind of thought voting was a right.

And in typical rightwinger fashion, they are freaking out because they THINK an "honest to goodness FEEEMale wrote that!" Wow.. pretty impressive that a FEEEMale was able to write more than a shopping list, apparently.

Hope that old guy that wrote it is enjoying his retirement entitlements.

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Response to kimbutgar (Original post)

Tue Jul 31, 2012, 05:10 PM

65. So this "21 year old" doesn't think retired people should vote?

Our country had government cheese and other foods in the past. They also used to check on people to be sure they were "really" poor. That is our past, and it sucked. Even though it was a terrible system, it was a beginning which beat starvation. We have come a long way, and we are not going backwards no matter how many wingnuts whine.
Welfare and food stamps are good for business and good for communities. As is the right to vote.

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Response to kimbutgar (Original post)

Tue Jul 31, 2012, 05:36 PM

66. Distributing that sort of thing's okay in your work environment? (nt)

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Response to kimbutgar (Original post)

Tue Jul 31, 2012, 08:03 PM

69. he had 2 good ideas



Put me in charge of food stamps, I’d get rid of Lone Star cards; no cash for Ding Dongs or Ho HO’s, just money for 50 pound bags of rice and beans, blocks of cheese and all the powered milk you can haul away. If you want steak and frozen pizza then get a job.

I partially agree with this. I think that junk food (ice cream, pizza, cookies, chips, soda etc) and drinks should be banned from food stamp purchases. And rice and beans are very good for you compared to the average American diet, but its not enough variety for taste or complete nutrition.

In addition, you will either present a check stub from a job each week or you will report to a “government” job. It may be cleaning the roadways of trash, painting and repairing public housing, whatever we find for you.

I think this would be a good idea like back during the FDR days but ironically the Republicans would never go for it and it would probably be more expensive than the current system.



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Response to ErikJ (Reply #69)

Tue Jul 31, 2012, 08:15 PM

71. Government jobs would be okay

... if they weren't used to make profits for private businesses. But in today's environment, you know they would be used to fill low-end jobs for megacorporations and put more poor people on the government rolls...

I disagree about the food stamps. What business is it of mine what you put in your face?

-- Mal

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Response to malthaussen (Reply #71)

Tue Jul 31, 2012, 08:45 PM

72. Like alcohol and cigs?

I think that junk food is worse for health than alcohol and cigs so why should we pay for people to buy that crap? Let them buy it with their own money just like cigs and alcohol.

Actually there are hundreds of thing govt workers could do for the commons. Example would be for youth restoring habitat to its natural condition by getting rid of invasives and stream resoration and controlled burning etc.

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Response to ErikJ (Reply #72)

Tue Jul 31, 2012, 08:54 PM

73. Alcohol and cigs, too.

You get x welfare dollars, you spend it how you want. Everyone should be allowed to go to hell in their own way, IMO.

As for the jobs, could is not would. How many ideas have you seen that seemed good ideally, but are abused? There are state governments (ALA and GA come to mind) who are already using prisoners to improve corporate bottom lines, and not for work on the commons.

-- Mal

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Response to malthaussen (Reply #73)

Tue Jul 31, 2012, 09:34 PM

74. Junk food lobby would never allow ban anyway.

They LOVE that big govt food stamp money and the GOP are their boys so....

Removing invasive plants alone would probably put every unemployed person to work forever. No need for corporate interference or cheap labor force..



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Response to ErikJ (Reply #69)

Tue Jul 31, 2012, 09:47 PM

80. hey, genius.

I'm on food stamps. I buy frozen prepared food because for the last month I can't even get down the fucking stairs. I've had a badly broken leg for 11 months. I've had three surgeries. As a result of my accident I also have a charming neuro vascular condition called Complex Regional Pain syndrome. Want to trade places with me? No? You don't want to have to handle being on crutches and being in constant pain? Then don't even begin to tell me what I can and can't buy with food stamps.

and go away.

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Response to cali (Reply #80)

Tue Jul 31, 2012, 10:00 PM

84. Frozen prepared meals is NOT JUNK FOOD Einstein.

I eat that myself frequently. I specifically said ice cream, pizza, cookies, and stuff like that. Sorry about your condition.
I am in almost perfect health because I have stayed away from CORPORATE killer junk food my entire life like I have their killer cigs.

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Response to ErikJ (Reply #84)

Wed Aug 1, 2012, 06:59 AM

88. I buy frozen pizza, sweetheart. Ooh. and sometimes I buy ice cream

and fuck sanctimony, honey. And my bet is you couldn't handle what I handle for a fucking nanosecond. The vast majority of men can't deal with pain worth shit.

And I'll buy whatever the fuck I want to eat with my food stamps, dearie.

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Response to ErikJ (Reply #84)

Wed Aug 1, 2012, 08:51 AM

92. You must be joking.

You're in "almost perfect health" by pure chance, the luck of the draw. Yes, there are plenty of things people can do to maintain and improve their health but cancer is cancer is cancer. And genetics are genetics.

If your response to this absolute vile piece of garbage is to find a point of agreement then I question how much you and I have in common as far as Democratic values go. An essential part of any civilized society is empathy; you don't need to be a rocket scientist to understand that a dog eat dog world is one in which only the 1% benefits.

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Response to kimbutgar (Original post)

Tue Jul 31, 2012, 09:39 PM

75. Jesus, so much hatred! So I guess senior citizens can't vote

Damn loafers, hanging around, collecting social security, sucking the blood from the rest of us.

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Response to kimbutgar (Original post)

Tue Jul 31, 2012, 09:42 PM

77. Mine is this: You're a stupid little twit who can't even use spell check.

You're ignorant as a sack of shit, but even you without any fucking knowledge of the constitution can vote. Now, fuck off, sweetie.

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Response to kimbutgar (Original post)

Tue Jul 31, 2012, 09:45 PM

79. This "21-year old female" from Waco sounds more like a Soviet work-camp commandant...

Freepers suffer from Poor-envy -- in their un-reality, there must be some anonymous "welfare queen" getting a better deal somewhere. And they really want BIG "gum'mint" --- one that would control womens' reproductive rights, restrict legal voters, etc. etc.

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Response to kimbutgar (Original post)

Tue Jul 31, 2012, 09:52 PM

81. "Make it more punishing to be poor, and people will work"...

The question is "doing what?"

This person has no earthly clue how hard it is to find a company that has jobs and will hire the homeless, the unskilled, or people with arrest records.

There really and truly aren't enough jobs out there for this sort of labor. They really and truly do not exist and remotely close to the quantities needed. This guy I have been "helping" takes it a notch further, in that he is homeless, low skilled, with an arrest record, and in need of anti-psychotics to remain on the same planet as the rest of us.

People have already learned from their "bad choices". When you end up skipping enough meals the message is loud and clear. No boot camp atmosphere would take it up notch.

Actually most of the homeless I have worked with would be happy to sign up for her plan, if it included "3 hots and a cot" but wasn't jail for a change.

Give me the young lady for a week and I will take her some places that would turn her head inside out. It is not all that hard to do or even much of a drive.

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Response to quaker bill (Reply #81)

Wed Aug 1, 2012, 01:04 AM

87. Wherever you take her, check her for guns.

 

People like her would whip out a weapon and start shooting the poor.

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Response to Zalatix (Reply #87)

Wed Aug 1, 2012, 07:20 AM

89. The realization that the poor really aren't that different

than the rest of us can come hard to some. There is this Puritan thing people can be afflicted with. It is the notion that the divine rewards morality in personal matters with financial success. THey see the rich as inherently moral and the poor as inherently immoral (or they would be rich). The delusion ties nicely to the "American Dream" as the people who fail have either not "worked hard" or made "poor (moral) choices" It is "obvious" because those who work hard and make good choices "always succeed".

Then you meet the actual people and most are not really different. Admittedly, there is a very small group who are quite different, make bad choices every day, and spend lots of time in jail. Virtually none of them have any government benefits of any sort, except free and regular access to the court system and free meals and housing in our jails. But vast bulk are just regular folks surviving from one day to the next on day labor jobs when they can be had and benefits if they qualify.

Most of these poor folks are just as human and moral as the rest of us. It surprises many to learn this because this fact does not fit with their world view.

...Quakers have been arguing against Puritan notions for 350 years. Checking for weapons is not a bad idea, as Quakers are not comfortable with weapons. I have been doing volunteer work with these folks for nearly 20 years in the "roughest" parts of town, and have never needed a weapon, which is good as I will never carry one.

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Response to kimbutgar (Original post)

Tue Jul 31, 2012, 09:58 PM

83. So let me understand this, he put this on your desk at work? If so why isn't that person doing

Their job?

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Response to still_one (Reply #83)

Wed Aug 1, 2012, 07:38 AM

90. Probably took a good amount of time

to re-type it and post it here too.

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Response to kimbutgar (Original post)

Wed Aug 1, 2012, 08:11 AM

91. Tell the co-worker not to leave this kind of crap on your desk again. And/or go to HR or your boss


with this, and they can tell Right Winger to keep his/her opinions to herself at work.

This is the same as if s/he were proselytizing at work.





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Response to kimbutgar (Original post)

Wed Aug 1, 2012, 10:04 AM

93. Hit & Run OPer

Yeah, likely. How long did it take you type this dribble - have fun trolling much?

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Response to kimbutgar (Original post)

Wed Aug 1, 2012, 10:20 AM

96. LOL, put that halfwit moron in charge?

She has not the most basic grasp of the job market, basic economics, or the right to vote.

And she's an ugly fucking racist. Notice she said nothing about anyone selling their gun rack from their pickup truck or going without their guns.

Fuck that piece of shit. God I hate racist trash like her.

On edit I see it was written by some knuckledragging middle aged guy. Whoever wrote it, they are a bona fide racist dumbass.

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Response to kimbutgar (Original post)

Sat Jun 1, 2013, 01:00 AM

97. I'm Republican, Conservative,

A 21 year old that "gets it", that a good start to a good laugh. "Worried about her future," Why? She seems to make her own. "Social Welfare," Not her problem if she's making the big bucks. "Big Government," Get into politics. "Forced to live in," Get a passport and move somewhere else, get a VISA, and apply for citizenship somewhere else.Put me in charge . . .

"Put me in charge of food stamps" Response: Food Stamps are awesome. They paid for me and my friends to have a nice BBQ every other weekend while I was training to be an Army combat medic going to Iraq in San Antonio, Texas at Fort Sam Houston. And by the way WIC pays for our Milk, cheese, eggs, and bread.

Today, after a tour in Iraq and honorable military service, I buy my wife and two sons food with Food Stamps because, according to the Senators and Representatives that put this into place, I do not make enough money to cover all my expenses. Try voting and encouraging others to vote if you want to change it.


"then get a job.. " Response: I have two jobs, going on three jobs, in addition to using my GI Bill to obtain a bachelor's degree.


"The first thing I'd do is to get women
Norplant birth control implants or tubal ligations." Response: Aren't you the same person that believes the government should pay for abortions if you get raped and become pregnant. If not, see above response on voting and encouraging others to vote.
Voting doesn't make the rules, voting on those who vote the laws in place does. Writing those individuals on a regular bases helps too, either individually or from a group in your local community with thousands of signatures.

"Then, we'll test
recipients for drugs, alcohol, and nicotine and document all tattoos and
piercings. If you want to reproduce or use drugs, alcohol, smoke or get tats
and piercings, then get a job..," Response: Perscription drugs are legal, alcohol is legal, tobacco is legal, tattoos are legal, and piercings are legal. Even some Federally illegal drugs are said to be legal by some State legislatures. Food stamps don't pay for any of these, nor do other any other government agencies, unless provided to service men and women and government employees that receive benefits from employment, including monetary compensation.

"Ever live in a military barracks?
You will maintain our property in a clean and good state of repair." Response: Indeed, and I did, and I made sure the soldiers put under my command did too, which included me taking multiple hours and days away from my family to supervise my soldiers and made sure they were as OCD as me.


"Your "home" will be subject to inspections anytime and possessions will be inventoried." Response: Uh, you want to live in a communist society? You're a Nazi? This statement confuses me by the lack of privacy this 21 year old woman would like to have as she gets older. Anytime? Hope you're never naked in the shower, or in some other position with a loved one.

"If you want a plasma TV or Xbox 360, then get a job and your
own place." Response: One of my jobs is at Best Buy. Can you say 'Employee discount?' Plasmas suck, my 50 inch, LED, SMART, 3D television is better. (See jobs while under government assistance above) I have an XBOX 360 my wife got me after borrowing money from her mother and working three months for it.

"Put me in charge of Medicaid" Response: You don't even know the pharmaceutical names for all medications, let alone all the diagnosis' that a person can receive from trauma, medical or mental. Not to mention the long lines, 6 months to a year waiting times, 10 pages of paperwork in order to apply, or having a colonoscopy where a camera is shoved up your ass to find out if you colon cancer or not for your service in Iraq where you might have caught an unknown bug, regardless of how many showers you took or had an opportunity to take.

"Put me in charge of government housing" Response: Haven't you gotten my message yet? Why speak about things you know nothing about? Seek God. Find answers in the Bible before you judge others.

"In addition, you will either present a check stub from a job each week or you will report to a "government" job. It may be cleaning the roadways of trash, painting and repairing public housing, whatever we find for you." Response: I report my earnings every week to my State in order to receive Food Stamps, WIC, and Under-employment (yes, with two jobs). The jobs you mention are mostly being done by inmates which makes me think you believe all government assistance citizens are criminals. Hmm?

"We will sell your 22 inch rims and low profile tires and your blasting stereo and speakers and put that money toward the "common good.." Resonse: Now you're just contradicting your ignorant self where, once again, government assistance does not pay for these things, therefor one would have to have a job in order to pay for them. Is the "common good," you? Probably not, but then you're not even talking about Robin Hood and stealing from the rich to give to the poor. You're talking about the lower-middle to lower class giving to the lowest class. That doesn't even make sense to Socialists.

"Before you write that I've violated someone's rights, realize that all of the above is voluntary." Response: They're not rights, they're laws and regulations put in place to do one thing - help other people. If you're against helping others, don't pay taxes ( not voluntary, its law for which jail time could be served, SEE VOTING FOR POLITICIANS OR BECOMING ONE ABOVE).

"If you want our money, accept our rules.." Response: OUR money? It's my money too, but because the majority of America is paying it, it's really a very small portion, less than 3 billionth of a dollar once it gets separated to all the different funds.

"Before you say that this would be "demeaning" and ruin their "self esteem," consider that it wasn't that long ago that taking someone else's money for doing absolutely nothing was demeaning and lowered self esteem." Response: Giving and taking are two-fold - in order to take, you must give, in order to give, you must receive. But you probably don't know anything about that so I'll move on.

"If we are expected to pay for other people's mistakes we should at least attempt to make them learn from their bad choices." Response: You've already made one by posting this and I hope you learn from it.

"The current system rewards them for continuing to make bad choices., you no longer can VOTE! Yes that is correct. For you to vote would be a conflict of interest. You will voluntarily remove yourself from voting while you are receiving a Gov't welfare check. If you want to vote, then get a job. Now, if you have the
guts - PASS IT ON..." Response: Once again, SEE VOTING ABOVE. But for further reference, I've had friends and acquaintances that died between the ages of 18 and 20 that couldn't drink alcohol legally, the voting age was put in place in a time where voting wasn't sent to a "voting college," but here we are expecting those who vote for us to do what we want them to do, because it is their vote, not ours, that puts actions in place. "Guts?" I've seen my share spread in a war I didn't believe in and even helped people that were from a third world nation I didn't care for in the past. We call them "HUMAN RIGHTS", not American rights, that all people should be helped and those who are helped will, and may have previously helped others in the past or in the future help others. If they do or don't, what does that mean to you. You won't except their help anyway.

"AND While you are on Gov't subsistence Maybe a little harsh but chances are that this would turn some around."

Response: sub•sist•ence -

Noun
1.The action or fact of maintaining or supporting oneself at a minimum level.
2.The means of doing this.

Who are you to determine the 'minimum level'? If the minimum level is living in a third world country, I recommend all the people your are referring to move to Iraq or Afghanistan. WAIT! The second part of this is - #2 The means of doing this - We live in a greatful nation, a giveful nation, and a nation that will take care of its own, even if they can't take care of themselves.

I'm in the Veteran Affairs System, Unemployment System, WIC System, Food Stamp System, IRS System, Secondary Education System, Independent Employment System, Best Buy Employment System, and Student Family Housing System. I applied, registered, and waited a long time in order to get into these systems and time is money. Money I could've been making at a job which would have earned me at least a week or twos wages. At minimum wage I could've supported myself but not my family.

And finally, all of your comments could've been in jest, therefore, I applaud you on attempting to make an argument to shake things up. You being a 21 year old, and me a 33 year old, I believe your opinions are awesome, although ignorant, and the fact that we live in a nation and information age where these opinions can be heard across endless borders is fantastic. I'm sure my responses won't be spread as far as your comments, but hopefully you can learn from them.


And this is what my wife had to say:

Ya know, I understand that some people take advantage of the system. But this is ridiculous. Yes, we have government assistance but guess what? My husband fought in Iraq, we pay taxes fairly, we buy food that feeds us, & we are a good Christian family. There are guidelines in place & requirements to qualify. My husband works hard & kicks butt in school while I care for our growing child. Judge not, my friends. You don't walk in my flip flops. By the way, that government assistance didn't pay for my tattoos (Ialready had them) & I don't use drugs but I buy cigarettes so throw another stone!

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Response to johnmulquinjr (Reply #97)

Sun Jun 2, 2013, 10:58 AM

98. Good reply.

And my family thanks your family for your service.

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