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MuseRider

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109. It's the kind of thing you cannot forget.

Tue May 7, 2024, 07:28 PM

May 7

It leaves such a sick feeling, even to the point of blaming yourself. I think I was 15 but maybe 16. Jesus, just remembering it now after all these years makes my stomach turn. 55 years ago.

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Was Stormy Daniels raped by Donald Trump? [View all] Johnny2X2X May 7 OP

My bet is that she discusses this Tom of Temecula May 7 #1

Link please !!!!!!!!!!!!!! !! .l ! ! !! ! ! !!!!!!!!! Trueblue1968 May 7 #86

"ashamed that I didn't stop it" mnmoderatedem May 7 #2

And she worked with Ron Jeremy, assumably. Marcuse May 7 #9

I think she did... FarPoint May 7 #12

Be careful. There's a difference between choosing to do things and being coerced. yardwork May 7 #40

I get that mnmoderatedem May 7 #64

And conversely, someone can choose to use sex to gain an advantage without being coerced. meadowlander May 7 #105

She never actually GAVE consent. He just hopped on top of her, DemocraticPatriot May 7 #117

Maybe. LuckyCharms May 7 #3

Agree Johnny2X2X May 7 #18

You are so right wryter2000 May 7 #31

That's what I think after reading this too - TBF May 7 #54

Her testimony makes my heart ache... FarPoint May 7 #50

He's worse than filth. ShazzieB May 7 #81

She was /is very Brave.... FarPoint May 7 #89

She processes her " alert messages" with ambivalence. FarPoint May 7 #4

I have had a date rape incident that FalloutShelter May 7 #5

That is certainly the way it sounds PatSeg May 7 #8

It was a long time ago FalloutShelter May 7 #17

I can understand the "indelible" part PatSeg May 7 #26

Just once was I really scared. He was 21 and MOMFUDSKI May 7 #37

Sixties for me as well PatSeg May 7 #48

Trump even when young was always a big guy, & used his size to get his way... Hekate May 7 #76

It's the kind of thing you cannot forget. MuseRider May 7 #109

Yes, life goes on PatSeg May 7 #111

In retrospect.... FarPoint May 7 #16

I am sorry to hear that...horrible. Demsrule86 May 7 #62

Is this how she described the circumstances before? PatSeg May 7 #6

I remember her saying after she came out of the bathromm gab13by13 May 7 #25

You know, that sounds like what I remember as well PatSeg May 7 #30

It was 18 years ago. I wouldn't read much into an irrelevant detail like that unblock May 7 #71

The spaces around "non/consensual" and "un/wanted" are large and always moving, which is why people are reluctant WhiskeyGrinder May 7 #7

And unwanted penetration, no matter how slight, constitutes Jerry2144 May 7 #11

Both legally and ethically, there is a difference between "unwanted" and "nonconsensual." WhiskeyGrinder May 7 #22

Unwanted penetration isn't rape? There's a jury in NY that would like a word with you. OMGWTF May 7 #52

As I said, it can be, but isn't always. WhiskeyGrinder May 7 #59

Riiiiiight Hekate May 7 #108

It happens. I provided an example in another post: WhiskeyGrinder May 7 #112

But we are not talking about 2 people who are in a relationship, here.... DemocraticPatriot May 7 #120

Daniels says she doesn't consider her experience as rape, so. WhiskeyGrinder May 7 #122

Yeah, Donald Trump says the same thing.... DemocraticPatriot May 8 #125

How exactly can 'unwanted penetration' be consensual ?? DemocraticPatriot May 7 #119

As I say, I've provided an example elsewhere: WhiskeyGrinder May 7 #123

Really? Personally I believe if a person doesn't give permission then it is rape. Demsrule86 May 7 #58

People consent to penetrative sex that they don't necessarily want all the time, for a variety of reasons. WhiskeyGrinder May 7 #63

Semantics. ShazzieB May 7 #87

. WhiskeyGrinder May 7 #90

Thanks for the clarification. ShazzieB May 7 #91

Exactly. DemocraticPatriot May 7 #121

Just as an example, meadowlander May 7 #107

Sicker than we know I'll bet. n/t B.See May 7 #28

My two cents - it sounds like maybe she was drugged, or drunk? FakeNoose May 7 #74

She has already stated it was consensual. Nt Fiendish Thingy May 7 #10

What she described isn't consensual Johnny2X2X May 7 #19

I'll put that in "true, but...." category. Happy Hoosier May 7 #20

It is so much worse if you have feelings for the man...what a betrayal. I was asaulted. But it Demsrule86 May 7 #36

Oh my!!! I'm SOOOO sorry!!! Happy Hoosier May 7 #55

It was rough. I made it through. I wouldn't leave the House withou my parents for a year. Demsrule86 May 7 #60

I was in love with the man who ultimately sexually assaulted me. TSExile May 7 #80

Thank you for sharing that! Happy Hoosier May 7 #82

Thank you... TSExile May 7 #110

She says in her documentary Tree Lady May 7 #13

I seem to remember Jilly_in_VA May 7 #14

"felt like the room spun in slow motion" LiberalFighter May 7 #15

It does sound as if she were drugged. badhair77 May 7 #21

Think About What He Said In The 'Access Hollywood Tape'....... global1 May 7 #27

I would put nothing past him MustLoveBeagles May 7 #32

That's what I thought. The dizziness she described and the gap in her memory. nt pnwmom May 7 #75

She reluctantly consented, and not verbally. pandr32 May 7 #23

I tend to agree, based on the limited knowledge that we have. LuckyCharms May 7 #24

And Trump being Trump PatSeg May 7 #34

He always assumes he will get what he wants. pandr32 May 7 #43

And he probably assumes PatSeg May 7 #93

Absolutely. pandr32 May 7 #96

She was looking for a way out Johnny2X2X May 7 #35

He may have drugged her. Demsrule86 May 7 #29

It sounds like it MustLoveBeagles May 7 #33

I have always thought he is a rapist...I believe his first wife descriped abuse and forced sex Demsrule86 May 7 #39

I remember that MustLoveBeagles May 7 #77

Does anybody still believe that trump will take the stand, in his defense ? republianmushroom May 7 #38

He will not Johnny2X2X May 7 #42

If there is a brain in his atty's head, absolutely not. nt TBF May 7 #57

The humiliation of Slobby continues unabated. NoMoreRepugs May 7 #41

So her story was heartfelt and disturbing Johnny2X2X May 7 #44

wasn't the idea she felt like she needed to if she would have a chance to go on The Apprentice? Definitely coercion LymphocyteLover May 7 #45

Harvey Weinstein comes to mind Johnny2X2X May 7 #49

She didn't want to have sex. Demobrat May 7 #46

That happened to me as a teen Tree Lady May 7 #65

😢 Demobrat May 7 #66

What she does professionally is her choice clearly... Quanto Magnus May 7 #47

It 'may' have been consensual, but she was definitely JCMach1 May 7 #51

She's explicitly stated before that she doesn't consider it rape. tinrobot May 7 #53

She's still coping Johnny2X2X May 7 #56

Exactly. SunSeeker May 7 #67

And The Apprentice was the back drop here Johnny2X2X May 7 #70

Yup. "And if you're a star, they let you do it," i.e. you get away with it. nt SunSeeker May 7 #73

I haven't read any of the background previously - but just reading this excerpt of yours - it's pretty chilling TBF May 7 #61

All women I know have been in that "gray" situation, including me. SunSeeker May 7 #68

Now imagine having to report that as a porn actress... JCMach1 May 7 #69

It's 2024 and a woman's body autonomy is still up for grabs, literally dlk May 7 #72

Exactly Johnny2X2X May 7 #79

I felt the same way after my sexual assault in 2015. TSExile May 7 #78

Most sex workers are inflicted in what is a continuing rape for as long as they are in the "business" ... marble falls May 7 #83

Aside from the other details, "imbalance of power" sounds like rape to me underpants May 7 #84

No. Goodheart May 7 #85

Biden was right, trump really is a sick fuck. Torchlight May 7 #88

was this what she said in court today? or is it from a book she wrote? orleans May 7 #92

This is fucking bullshit DenaliDemocrat May 7 #94

And yet she described sex she didn't want to have Johnny2X2X May 7 #95

She's a grown woman and made a point to state DenaliDemocrat May 7 #98

she's a grifter Skittles May 7 #114

She didn't feel empowered enough to tell him no Warpy May 7 #97

Drugged and raped Ishoutandscream2 May 7 #99

Yes, rape Beck23 May 7 #100

This is what djt's 'sexual encounter' with 'Stormy' looks like to me: Jrose May 7 #101

"If rape is inevitable, you may as well relax and enjoy it." czarjak May 7 #102

Ask her. Lunabell May 7 #103

No Comment n/t Jacson6 May 7 #104

He knew what he was doing. Women know he intended to be intimidating. 58Sunliner May 7 #106

I wouldn't believe much of what either one of them says Skittles May 7 #113

It sounds more like date-rape, which, in the end is rape. Gore1FL May 7 #115

It's not for us to say. Sparkly May 7 #116

Short answer? Yes. angrychair May 7 #118

Trumps a predator...Where's Chris Hansen Tribetime May 7 #124

The 8 ball says ... aggiesal May 8 #126

Yes, it does sound like rape. And of course the precedent was the civil PatrickforB May 8 #127

She spoke her truth SARose May 8 #128

Trump has raped civilization. twodogsbarking May 8 #129

She didn't want it to officially turn into rape so she went along with it ecstatic May 8 #130

It was definitely intimidation... Joinfortmill May 8 #131