Was Stormy Daniels raped by Donald Trump?

[Johnny2X2X]

Stormy Daniels says she "felt like the room spun in slow motion" when she left the bathroom.

"I felt the blood leave my hands and my feet almost like if you stand up too fast," Daniels says. "I thought, 'oh my God, what did i misread to get here?'"

"At first I was just startled, like a jump scare. I wasn’t expecting someone to be there, especially minus a lot of clothing," she says of Trump, who she says was sitting on the bed in boxers and a T-shirt.

“He stood up between me and the door. Not in a threatening manner. He didn’t come at me, he didn’t rush at me. Nothing like that," Daniels said.

"There was an imbalance of power for sure. He was bigger and blocking the way. I was not threatened verbally or physically," Daniels said. Daniels estimated Trump was "definitely several inches taller, and much larger,"

"I had my clothes and my shoes off. I removed my bra. We were in missionary position," Daniels says. Asked if she remembers how her clothes came off, she says no. "Next thing I know I was on the bed," she testifies.

Stormy Daniels says she remembers sitting at the end of the bed. She says "it was really hard to get my shoe on because my hands were shaking so hard."

"I just left as fast as I could. That was it," she says."I told very few people that we had actually had sex because I felt ashamed that I didn’t stop it," Daniels said.

This sounds very much like rape to me. She was not there for sex, they were not discussing sex, they were discussing business, he was discussin how she got into producing and directing. There was a power imbalance. He strpped when she was in the bathroom. She was almost in shock. Forget for a minute what she does for a living, that has no bearing. If a freind had told me this story, I'd be telling her she needs to think about going to the police. This was not a fling, this was someone tricking a woman and using his power ans stature to pressure her into sex she did not want.

I really feel for Stormy, this was not something she asked for. Not the sex, and not the attention after.

[Tom of Temecula]

1. My bet is that she discusses this

It would make a remarkable ending to her testimony.

Another jury has already concluded Trump is a rapist. There is precedent.

[Trueblue1968]

86. Link please !!!!!!!!!!!!!! !! .l ! ! !! ! ! !!!!!!!!!

[mnmoderatedem]

2. "ashamed that I didn't stop it"

how repulsive do you have to be to have an adult film actress say that about you.

[Marcuse]

9. And she worked with Ron Jeremy, assumably.

[FarPoint]

12. I think she did...

she was trying to make her business a success...networking.

[yardwork]

40. Be careful. There's a difference between choosing to do things and being coerced.

People get hung up on the fact that sex workers engage in sex for work. People assume this means they're always up for sex. But that's not true at all. Rape and coercion are about power and violence. A sex worker who is forced or coerced into having sex is just as much a victim as anybody else.

[mnmoderatedem]

64. I get that

My post was not meant to be demeaning to sex workers. It was meant as an insult to trump.

[meadowlander]

105. And conversely, someone can choose to use sex to gain an advantage without being coerced.

If I decided to seduce someone to give myself a better chance of getting work from them, I can be nervous and stressed out and regretful about it afterwards without it being rape.

And I think there's a distinction between my actual boss, where there is a clear power imbalance and duty of care, taking me up on the offer (which would be sexual misconduct) and a random person I met at a golf tournament whom I am hoping might hire me (in which case, I've taken responsibility for the risk that he is a creep who will accept the proposition at the point where I initiated things.)

If she clearly withdrew consent at some stage in the process or if there is some concrete evidence that she was drugged, then I agree that it is rape. But if she was up for it because she thought it would give her a better chance of getting on the Apprentice and then she felt gross about it afterwards, I don't think you can call that rape. And I'm not aware that she is calling it rape herself.

[DemocraticPatriot]

117. She never actually GAVE consent. He just hopped on top of her,

and started humping.

Failure to say 'no' is not the same as giving consent...

[LuckyCharms]

3. Maybe.

It sounds to me like she went into a self-protection mode and that the encounter cannot be referred to as entirely consensual.

It doesn't matter that she is an adult film actress.

There was no enthusiastic consent.

[Johnny2X2X]

18. Agree

Seems like she went to the bathroom to try to find a way out and called a freind who didn't answer.

Her profession doesn't matter. She was afraid and didn't want this. She didn't feel she could stop it.

[wryter2000]

31. You are so right

Her profession doesn't matter. I'm so glad my fellow DUers see that.

[TBF]

54. That's what I think after reading this too -

she was getting weird vibes & might have tried to call a friend for support. I feel for her, sometimes things are kind of in the gray area like this and you're not sure what to do.

[FarPoint]

50. Her testimony makes my heart ache...

for her and all women who have been so exploited, used sexually and minimized as being a woman...

tRump is filth....

[ShazzieB]

81. He's worse than filth.

He's like something nasty that was scraped off the soles of the shoes of filth. Blech!

[FarPoint]

89. She was /is very Brave....

She told the truth ...tRump is a Predator like Weinstein?

[FarPoint]

4. She processes her " alert messages" with ambivalence.

I would have to say she was highly, skillfully manipulated ... Her weakened boundary issues from past trauma has made her a victim with the tRump interaction...

tRump sees her as a worthy beauty but if she preforms porn then she is a cheap whore...for the taking...which he did.

[FalloutShelter]

5. I have had a date rape incident that

Went a lot like this. Wonder if he ruffied her: off balance, room spinning?

Just sayin.

[PatSeg]

8. That is certainly the way it sounds

I'm sorry you had to go through that.

[FalloutShelter]

17. It was a long time ago

But indelible.

TQ

[PatSeg]

26. I can understand the "indelible" part

I came close more than once and I have never forgotten.

[MOMFUDSKI]

37. Just once was I really scared. He was 21 and

I was 16. Parked car on street and came at me. Octopus. I told him to stop and take me home. He did. This was the sixties. But I have thought back to that and realize what might have happened. And it came down to size. I would’ve lost the fight.

[PatSeg]

48. Sixties for me as well

One instance, my date drove out to a remote cemetery - that was really creepy and weird. I don't even remember how I fought him off.

Another was my apartment and it was someone (his friend) knocking on my door that saved me.

[Hekate]

76. Trump even when young was always a big guy, & used his size to get his way...

I am a small woman. He slammed E Jean Carroll against a wall while she was trying to evade his presence — I could actually feel the breath leave my ribcage when I read that. It was a well-practiced move on his part, I guarantee it.

He tried the same maneuver on a young lifestyle journalist — in Trump Tower, with Melania in the house, while Barron was a newborn.

Stormy Daniels — let’s just say I have always believed her. Her choice of careers is not mine, but she is a woman in a legal business — a hazardous business, but legal. Not considered a respectable business, but excuse me, incredibly popular. And did I mention legal.

[MuseRider]

109. It's the kind of thing you cannot forget.

It leaves such a sick feeling, even to the point of blaming yourself. I think I was 15 but maybe 16. Jesus, just remembering it now after all these years makes my stomach turn. 55 years ago.

[PatSeg]

111. Yes, life goes on

But certain events leave a permanent stain. I know it made it very difficult for me to ever really trust anyone completely.

The idea that a person would flatter and manipulate someone just for sexual gratification is very disturbing to me and that some will even force themselves on an unwilling woman is still beyond comprehension to me. I spent so much of my younger years in defense mode, as if all the men in the world were just looking to "score".

[FarPoint]

16. In retrospect....

yes now that she looks back on the situation...

[Demsrule86]

62. I am sorry to hear that...horrible.

[PatSeg]

6. Is this how she described the circumstances before?

I don't remember it this way, but it was quite awhile ago.

[gab13by13]

25. I remember her saying after she came out of the bathromm

TSF was in his tighty whiteys, now she says he was in boxers.

Maybe I'm remembering wrong?

[PatSeg]

30. You know, that sounds like what I remember as well

And I don't recall any mention of the "room spun in slow motion".

[unblock]

71. It was 18 years ago. I wouldn't read much into an irrelevant detail like that

Underwear, either way, that's what she remembered.

Could a jury be made to think this calls her credibility into question? Perhaps, and if Donnie's lawyers have any actual competence they may seize upon this and run with it.

But at the end of the day, most people's memories of even traumatic events that long ago are hazy. Perhaps especially if they're traumatic. They remember what's important and they fill in details when retelling the story.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

7. The spaces around "non/consensual" and "un/wanted" are large and always moving, which is why people are reluctant

to report rape, why it's rarely prosecuted, and why society prefers perfect victims.

[Jerry2144]

11. And unwanted penetration, no matter how slight, constitutes

R@pe. Need sounds like details of another of his crimes are coming out. He really is a sick fuck

[WhiskeyGrinder]

22. Both legally and ethically, there is a difference between "unwanted" and "nonconsensual."

Unwanted penetration isn't necessarily rape or assault.

[OMGWTF]

52. Unwanted penetration isn't rape? There's a jury in NY that would like a word with you.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

59. As I said, it can be, but isn't always.

[Hekate]

108. Riiiiiight

[WhiskeyGrinder]

112. It happens. I provided an example in another post:

When it comes to consensual but unwanted sex, the most familiar example would be a committed couple engaging in sex where one partner isn't in the mood but consents to go along with it for whatever reason. Is that a sign of a not-great relationship? Could be. Is that rape? I'd be very surprised if any prosecutor chose to take up the case.

From what I understand, if unwanted penetration were rape every time, there are a lot of beloved and cherished husbands who could be considered rapists.

[DemocraticPatriot]

120. But we are not talking about 2 people who are in a relationship, here....

It's apples and orange-man

[WhiskeyGrinder]

122. Daniels says she doesn't consider her experience as rape, so.

[DemocraticPatriot]

125. Yeah, Donald Trump says the same thing....

She was being subordinate and submissive....

She didn't consider it to be 'rape' because she didn't say 'no',
but she didn't say 'yes', either.... she just let him have his way,
because she was raised to let men have their way
(a southern thing, as I understand it)

[DemocraticPatriot]

119. How exactly can 'unwanted penetration' be consensual ??

[WhiskeyGrinder]

123. As I say, I've provided an example elsewhere:

When it comes to consensual but unwanted sex, the most familiar example would be a committed couple engaging in sex where one partner isn't in the mood but consents to go along with it for whatever reason. Is that a sign of a not-great relationship? Could be. Is that rape? I'd be very surprised if any prosecutor chose to take up the case.

[Demsrule86]

58. Really? Personally I believe if a person doesn't give permission then it is rape.

Unwanted rape means permission was not given...it is all rape. I can't believe you would post this.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

63. People consent to penetrative sex that they don't necessarily want all the time, for a variety of reasons.

As I say, there is a difference between non/consensual and un/wanted -- and overlap among them all, and large ranges among them as well.

[ShazzieB]

87. Semantics.

I'm having a hard time figuring out the difference between nonconsensual and unwanted sex. I thought they were the same thing, at least morally speaking. Legally, I don't know. I'm sure it would depend on how the laws are written, and each state could be different But there is a difference between affirmatively consenting to something and not putting up a fight.

RAINN (Rape, Abuse & Incest National Network) is an excellent source of information on these issues. They have quite a bit to say about consent here: https://www.rainn.org/articles/what-is-consent

[WhiskeyGrinder]

90. .

I thought they were the same thing, at least morally speaking. Legally, I don't know. I'm sure it would depend on how the laws are written, and each state could be different

Legally, they're not the same, which is why laws use the language of "consent" rather than "un/wanted."

Im having a hard time figuring out the difference between nonconsensual and unwanted sex.

One difference is that one has a legal definition and the other does not. When it comes to consensual but unwanted sex, the most familiar example would be a committed couple engaging in sex where one partner isn't in the mood but consents to go along with it for whatever reason. Is that a sign of a not-great relationship? Could be. Is that rape? I'd be very surprised if any prosecutor chose to take up the case.

[ShazzieB]

91. Thanks for the clarification.

I wouldn't call the example you gave rape either.

And I can see that it's definitely possible to consent to something for reasons other than being actively desirous of it.

In the case of Stormy's encounter with TSF, it sounds to me like she submitted, but did not really consent. Sometimes passively submitting to something she hasn't consented to and does not want can seem like a safer option to a woman than actively objecting and trying to fight off someone much bigger and stronger than herself (and possibly getting seriously injured in the process). I would call that rape, but I don't know what the law would say.

[DemocraticPatriot]

121. Exactly.

'Submission' is not consent, in the case of 2 people who are not in a relationship.
If she were unconscious, it would clearly be rape.... Either way, she did not give 'consent'.


Of course, in the absence of her having actually saying "no, stop", it would never be prosecuted...
even though she was not unconscious.

[meadowlander]

107. Just as an example,

I know asexual people who don't "want" to have sex with their partners but consent to it. Sex is important to their partner and not that important to them so it's something they do for their partner out of love or desire to keep the relationship together for the kids, financial stability, etc. I don't think that's rape because the asexual person is clearly consenting to something even if they would never initiate it themselves.

[B.See]

28. Sicker than we know I'll bet. n/t

[FakeNoose]

74. My two cents - it sounds like maybe she was drugged, or drunk?

Either way, she couldn't give consent but Chump obviously didn't care.

It's water over the dam at this point because she never formally accused him back when it happened. All she can say is that only one person enjoyed the encounter, and it wasn't her.

[Fiendish Thingy]

10. She has already stated it was consensual. Nt

[Johnny2X2X]

19. What she described isn't consensual

And she obviously experienced trauma during and after it, she seems like she's still coping with the trauma.

[Happy Hoosier]

20. I'll put that in "true, but...." category.

My daughter was raped as a teen. When the whole situation emerged, she said it was "consenual, I guess." Then she had a total breakdown. She was manipulated into a situation where she didn't feel she could stop it. It was boy she had a crush on. When she initially resisted, he started getting angry telling her she "led him on," and threatened to tell everyone what a whore she was. She "consented."

Women can be made to feel they have already consented when they haven't. And such "consensual" encounters can have terrible consequences.

She suffered some major psychological damage from that, and STILL has some nightmares. It nearly crushed her a young age. Thankfully, it all came out (because of declining mental state) and we got her help. She is now recovering well and is back in school.

Obviosuly, the nature of the rape was such that an arrest and conviction could not happen. But the rape happened nver-the-less.

[Demsrule86]

36. It is so much worse if you have feelings for the man...what a betrayal. I was asaulted. But it

was a stranger...had been at a bar (teenager under age). I went out for a smoke by myself and was dragged into the car. The car door wouldn't open. I struggled and fought back. I remember that, but he knocked me unconscious so I don't remember the rape.

I have always thought that he thought. I was dead. But it didn't matter. I was at a bar after all so no prosecution. Even though I spent time in the hospital. My parents told everyone I was in a car accident. And at the time, I thought Mom believed it was my fault. Years later I realized that if people knew...it would have been worse. I am eternally grateful that my Mom made the doctor provide the morning-after pill or some sort of emergency contraception. I had extensive therapy which helped. I made it to the other side. I survived. I won.

[Happy Hoosier]

55. Oh my!!! I'm SOOOO sorry!!!

But I am so glad you made it through.

I admit I carry a lot of anger on my daughter's behalf. I know who the boy (now a young man) was and sometimes fantasize about revenge. And I suspect my daughter one of many of his victims.

She's pretty open about what happened to her, which is why I feel free to share her story. I think being open about it has been part of her recovery, but that's so very "her," and recovery is a very personal thing.

[Demsrule86]

60. It was rough. I made it through. I wouldn't leave the House withou my parents for a year.

I didn't go out with friends...but therapy helped. And I took self-defense courses too. That helped. My -ex-husband taught me how to use a gun.

[TSExile]

80. I was in love with the man who ultimately sexually assaulted me.

Because of that, I don't feel like I was completely believed when I shared my story. I can totally understand what your daughter went through. It's more than assault and rape - it's betrayal as well. If it had been a stranger, or at least an acquaintance that I wasn't in love with...it might have been easier to bear. 💔

I hope your daughter is doing OK. Please tell her that she's not alone.

[Happy Hoosier]

82. Thank you for sharing that!

I've always been aware of "rape culture," but as my daughter has shared her story, I have been astonished by how many women have been sexually assaulted and just suffered in silence and spoken up when she mentions it! It makes me so very angry!!

She is doing well now. There are scars, and occasional low points and tears, but she is puttin gher life back together. I hope you are doing well too!

[TSExile]

110. Thank you...

I knew him from church, believe it or not. Praise be to God, he wasn't a pastor, elder, on church council or anyone in leadership - just a fellow congregant. We first met sometime in 2006 and I thought he was my friend.

He invited me over to his house on the afternoon of Sunday, October 11, 2015 - right after service. I had never been there before, so when he said he wanted to give me a tour of the house, I believed him. The last room on the "tour" was his bedroom on the second floor. I peeked in and was turning around to go back downstairs when a movement caught my eye - he was taking off his shirt!! Then he was demanding a back massage. I can still see him lying face down in the middle of the queen-sized bed.

I still remember him grabbing hold of the button-down shirt I had on - when he started to unbutton the buttons. I flinched and pulled back a couple of times, but he didn't stop. I couldn't move or scream. Once he had me topless, he was touching, squeezing...and he said, "you do know that October is breast cancer awareness month. I'm just trying to keep you safe".

I didn't realize it at that moment - but that day changed everything. My political views, how I saw God and read the Bible, my thoughts about men...everything. What happens haunts me to this very day - especially since the RAPIST had set his hat in the ring by then and STILL won't leave us alone.

[Tree Lady]

13. She says in her documentary

that she just layed there and let it happen but just wanted it over with. Didn't say no but didn't really want to either.

She probably blamed herself thinking he expected it because she was a porn star and that she should have met somewhere besides hotel room.

[Jilly_in_VA]

14. I seem to remember

the she she said she doesn't remember if she was penetrated or not, but she remembers his repulsive little equipment which she described as a "mushroom". But it definitely doesn't sound very consensual.

[LiberalFighter]

15. "felt like the room spun in slow motion"

She wasn't drugged?

[badhair77]

21. It does sound as if she were drugged.

Wonder if he did that to any other women.

[global1]

27. Think About What He Said In The 'Access Hollywood Tape'.......

He's been there before!!!

[MustLoveBeagles]

32. I would put nothing past him

[pnwmom]

75. That's what I thought. The dizziness she described and the gap in her memory. nt

[pandr32]

23. She reluctantly consented, and not verbally.

Stormy felt pressured and knew that it would be best for her to get it over with and leave. She had been lured by a powerful man who misrepresented what he wanted from her. Men like that hold the cards and can wreck your life.
I believe it was rape.
Over the decades women have heard different messages of what to do in these situations. Some have been told to fight like hell and others have been told to go along because if you make the attacker angry it could get worse.

[LuckyCharms]

24. I tend to agree, based on the limited knowledge that we have.

The power imbalance is an issue.

Based on her testimony, I can imagine that her mind was racing with the options that were available to her.

[PatSeg]

34. And Trump being Trump

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and Daniels being a porn star, he assumed she would consent. What an arrogant ass. How many times has he done crap like this that we'll never hear about?

[pandr32]

43. He always assumes he will get what he wants.

Her being in the adult sex industry only made her more titillating to him. She was, as he said "beautiful..." and that's all that he really requires. Any beautiful girl--he said so himself in the Access Hollywood tape. He feels entitled to help himself to any woman he wants. The fact that other men want her, too, as in being viewed by so many as a porn star, only makes his conquest of her a bigger win for his ego.
Consent means nothing to him. I don't think he gives any credit to women as having rights at all.

[PatSeg]

93. And he probably assumes

that in one way or another all women can be bought. In Daniels case, he could tangle an appearance on The Apprentice in front of her. He has all the power and he uses it whenever and wherever he wants.

[pandr32]

96. Absolutely.

[Johnny2X2X]

35. She was looking for a way out

She fled to the bathroom to call a friend looking for a way out. When she left the bathroom he had disrobed.

And they make clear that this was a suite, not a normal hotel room it had furniture and tables. It was set up to entertain and possible have meetings. It wasn’t a room with just a bed. Not that that would make it any better, but it goes to the fact that when she entered that suite she wasn’t expecting sex.

[Demsrule86]

29. He may have drugged her.

[MustLoveBeagles]

33. It sounds like it

[Demsrule86]

39. I have always thought he is a rapist...I believe his first wife descriped abuse and forced sex

when she was married to him.

[MustLoveBeagles]

77. I remember that

After a failed scalp reduction surgery. He blamed her because she recommended the doctor. Attacked her and tore out some of her hair. He's abusive AF.

[republianmushroom]

38. Does anybody still believe that trump will take the stand, in his defense ?

[Johnny2X2X]

42. He will not

His lawyers won't let him.

[TBF]

57. If there is a brain in his atty's head, absolutely not. nt

[NoMoreRepugs]

41. The humiliation of Slobby continues unabated.

[Johnny2X2X]

44. So her story was heartfelt and disturbing

This makes her a very strong witness. She was scared. She felt coerced. And in further testimony, she was in fear for her safety. The defense better tread lightly as I am sure that the jury views her as a sexual assault victim right now.

She's been a very good witness, the prosecution knows what they had with her.

[LymphocyteLover]

45. wasn't the idea she felt like she needed to if she would have a chance to go on The Apprentice? Definitely coercion

[Johnny2X2X]

49. Harvey Weinstein comes to mind

He knew exactly what he was doing.

[Demobrat]

46. She didn't want to have sex.

She took the “easy” way out so as not to get hurt. Is that rape? As a woman who has been there - why, yes. Yes it is.

[Tree Lady]

65. That happened to me as a teen

I had sex when I didn't want to, the guy I thought I was in love with asked me to have sex with his best friend. I did (though I didn't want to at all) and just layed there and let my mind travel. I had to have therapy about it years later and had suicidal thoughts that summer I felt so ashamed.

I was a very vulnerable shy scared kid who lived with fear in my household as a child so turned to fantasy in my head that this guy would love me. Yes I was very messed up back then, my mom had two nervous breakdowns when I was in high school and would say and do scarey stuff.

[Demobrat]

66. 😢

[Quanto Magnus]

47. What she does professionally is her choice clearly...

I agree it sounds more sinister than originally presented by the media.

[JCMach1]

51. It 'may' have been consensual, but she was definitely

Creeped at the very least.

It absolutely checks with my one experience with Mr..Trump where his behavior was way outside of what any person would consider normal. I bumped into him in the 1990's in an airport where he was screaming and cursing at his entourage. I have never seen anyone do that in an airport to that level, or extent.

My opinion of Trump was based on this event and completely non-partisan. Dude is not normal in any way.

[tinrobot]

53. She's explicitly stated before that she doesn't consider it rape.

She said that she wasn't forced, she did it willingly.

But, with Trump promising her work on The Apprentice, it could be considered harassment.

[Johnny2X2X]

56. She's still coping

She blames herself for not knowing that his intentions were sex. She blames herself for "not stopping it." She doesn't consider it rape, and that's her right, but this was a lot like what happened over and over with Harvey Weinstein. Pressured women into sex with the implied promise of a role.

[SunSeeker]

67. Exactly.

Some women talk themselves into believing it wasn't rape because they think it will be easier to live with or forget about. It is totally a coping mechanism.

[Johnny2X2X]

70. And The Apprentice was the back drop here

Trump was the star of the show that was on NBC in prime time. It had been on TV for 3 years and was a popular show. She wasn't there to get to know Trump, she was there discussing business with him because she wanted to be on the show. And he knew that fully.

[SunSeeker]

73. Yup. "And if you're a star, they let you do it," i.e. you get away with it. nt

[TBF]

61. I haven't read any of the background previously - but just reading this excerpt of yours - it's pretty chilling

I don't know if it's legally rape. But I do know as a female that being in situations that are "gray" areas (to try to be objective), it really does sound like this is something she did not expect & did not want. I do feel for her and I think the women on the jury will as well. Many or most of us have been in situations that were similar or could've been similar if we hadn't realized it and gotten ourselves out in time. This is very relatable. I don't know if it has much to do with the business details, but it does give us more insight on just how horrible he is. I sure wouldn't be surprised if he pushed the line legally in other areas as well.

[SunSeeker]

68. All women I know have been in that "gray" situation, including me.

And I bet so had every woman on that jury.

[JCMach1]

69. Now imagine having to report that as a porn actress...

Who would the police believe?

Sometimes people are sexually assaulted and it's just not provable due to the context.

[dlk]

72. It's 2024 and a woman's body autonomy is still up for grabs, literally

We have very far to go.

[Johnny2X2X]

79. Exactly

And there's this idea that a sex worker can't be raped. Stormy Damiels was a porn star, she had sex on film in a controlled environment that she had some agency in. Her profession has no bearing on whether or not she should expect to be in control over her body when she went to a hotel suite for what she thought was a business meeting.

Donald Trump was the star of a popular TV show, he knew Stormy Daniels wanted to be on his show, so he tricked her into being alone with him and then surprised her by taking his clothes off when she was in the bathroom. Take away her career choice and imagine she was a paralegal out of town on a case and the head of the law firm wanted to discuss her legal notes with her after dinner in his hotel suite.

[TSExile]

78. I felt the same way after my sexual assault in 2015.

What Stormy is saying sounds much like freeze and fawn, or freeze and appease. It's the survival instinct kicking in, much like a preyed upon animal in the wild would play dead.

We all know he raped E. Jean Carroll, and dozens of other women have accused him of sexually assaulting them. We may never know how many total women he has brutalized. This is a monster, and I hope he burns in hell.

[marble falls]

83. Most sex workers are inflicted in what is a continuing rape for as long as they are in the "business" ...

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... their entire career (and lives in a lot of cases) is in the hands of power, from customers to bosses.

[underpants]

84. Aside from the other details, "imbalance of power" sounds like rape to me

[Goodheart]

85. No.

[Torchlight]

88. Biden was right, trump really is a sick fuck.

There's just no room to argue otherwise anymore.There's just no possibility for an honest person to argue sincerely in trump's defense, actively or passively. Biden was right. trump's a sick fuck.

[orleans]

92. was this what she said in court today? or is it from a book she wrote?

??

[DenaliDemocrat]

94. This is fucking bullshit

She makes a point in the documentary that she WAS NOT RAPED, she was very adamant about that point.

I don’t know why she wanted to drive that point home, but she did.

[Johnny2X2X]

95. And yet she described sex she didn't want to have

This was not consensual sex, she doesn’t think it was rape. But what she describes was being tricked into going to someone’s hotel suite under false pretenses and then feeling like she was trapped there.

[DenaliDemocrat]

98. She's a grown woman and made a point to state

Emphatically she was not raped. The people here saying well…it was probably rape but she just did not realize it are being extremely disrespectful to her, her value, and her opinions. They need to quit being assholes and show her some respect. She’s an extremely successful adult film star and director. I’m pretty sure we can trust her statements about a sexual experience.

[Skittles]

114. she's a grifter

she'll do and say whatever gets her more money and attention

[Warpy]

97. She didn't feel empowered enough to tell him no

which makes the whole thing icky and her description paints him as the clod we know him to be.

She'd have a damned hard time proving assault, especially sibce she admits to repeat performances.

[Ishoutandscream2]

99. Drugged and raped

My God, he’s such a bastard.

[Beck23]

100. Yes, rape

This sounds like Harvey Weinstein's MO.

[Jrose]

101. This is what djt's 'sexual encounter' with 'Stormy' looks like to me:

Her main motive in meeting with him was essentially to help her get a spot on the 'Apprentice' so she could get a broader, more legitimate public image via national tv.

Djt, however, saw this as an opportunity to take advantage of her 'sexually open' image and lure her into sex, whether she wanted to or not. So when he had her meet him in his dining room under the guise of offering her a business opportunity...he apparently added a drug to her glass of water, kept her chatting until he knew it was taking effect.
When he saw her losing her mental and physical 'balance'...he sat on his bed, waiting.

It was not consensual, because Stormy was not fully aware of what had happened until she regained her senses, after the act, shivering and upset and anxious to get away.

It wasn't forced sex ..it was using a woman as a semi-conscious sex toy. Another form of rape.

[czarjak]

102. "If rape is inevitable, you may as well relax and enjoy it."

Said rapists like Clayton Williams and Bobby Knight. F-Them then and and their Party.

[Lunabell]

103. Ask her.

It's her business if she deems it so. Hers alone.

[Jacson6]

104. No Comment n/t

[58Sunliner]

106. He knew what he was doing. Women know he intended to be intimidating.

The unspoken message is we are having sex, and I didn't ask what you wanted and don't care. What an effing pig.

[Skittles]

113. I wouldn't believe much of what either one of them says

they're both grifters

[Gore1FL]

115. It sounds more like date-rape, which, in the end is rape.

It sounds like some aspects were consentual, but it was taken beyond that.

I've heard limited informaion, but that's my take from the information I heard.

[Sparkly]

116. It's not for us to say.

Might have been anxiety, for a variety of reasons - e.g., ptsd, panic, etc.

Might have been chemical - low blood sugar, panic, slipped a drug, who knows.

I don't blame her for anything she did, nor for anything she did not do. The criminal case is about the monster's campaign against Hillary Clinton. Stormy Daniels is completely innocent.

[angrychair]

118. Short answer? Yes.

It is, at the end of the day, about power and control over people

[Tribetime]

124. Trumps a predator...Where's Chris Hansen

[aggiesal]

126. The 8 ball says ...

[PatrickforB]

127. Yes, it does sound like rape. And of course the precedent was the civil

finding that Trump raped E. Jean Caroll. So he is an adjudicated rapist, and we have the Access Hollywood tape. The guy is an ejaculating mess.

Trump forced McDaniel on the strength of possible celebrity on his sorry TV show. She got talked into having 'dinner' with him by her agent and when she got there he blocked the exit and she ended up submitting to him. She blacked out during the act and her hands were shaking badly when it was over.

It is hard not to feel some real compassion for Stormy. Her life has not been easy, and she did not need this. She was just trying to get ahead and ended up a victim of Trump.

My wife and I watched the MSNBC deal tonight with Rachel, Lawrence and Alex and they were talking about how disgustingly creepy Trump is.

[SARose]

128. She spoke her truth

She spoke her truth about a very powerful man. She knew when she decided to speak she would be dragged through the mud and ridiculed for being a porn star; for being less than the “good girl.”

She spoke her truth.

So many women here are speaking their truth - reliving trauma.

My Dad insisted I always have a dime to use the pay phone. He told me to call anytime I felt unsafe. He would pick me up no questions asked.

That night I remember him asking me if I had my dime. I said no I’m just going to the movies with the boy across the street. His parents were friends with mine. He handed me a dime on the way out the door.

Needless to say that dime saved me when my “friend” went berserk and attacked me. I managed to kick him in the stomach and ran to the concession stand. The owners of the drive in were also family friends. I was hysterical and they called my Dad. He came and got me. I was so afraid he would be mad. He wasn’t. He was in tears. Needless to say, my Dad had a long talk with his Dad and with him.

There - I spoke my truth.

[twodogsbarking]

129. Trump has raped civilization.

[ecstatic]

130. She didn't want it to officially turn into rape so she went along with it

When he initially blocked the door, she relented. But what would have happened if she had insisted on leaving? Would he have let her? I don't think she wanted to find out.

A lot of us find ourselves in situations just like that. There is an intimidation factor where you are (subconsciously?) afraid that things could turn into rape if you stand your ground, so you kind of go along with it to avoid awkwardness or a full-blown fight and rape. There's also a tendency for us to blame ourselves, "Well, I put myself in this situation so, what did I expect?" If that makes sense. Really it doesn't make sense but that's what happens.

Ideally, the very first "no" should be respected and honored. It shouldn't have to turn into a back and forth.

[Joinfortmill]

131. It was definitely intimidation...

And the guard was standing outside the door. As a woman, I think she went into survival mode and complied to avoid a perceived danger.This happens too many times to count.