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My friend forwarded this to me on FB, and I had been looking for a compiled list of responses for when people say Obama "ruined" the country. I thought this explained it very well, and could be referred to when challenged for "reasons" to justify support of the previous administration.
Posted by forgotmylogin | Thu Apr 20, 2017, 09:46 PM (7 replies)
Back in the day, the rightwingers all had hard-ons for the 24 scenario: a common dramatic situation on the Kiefer Sutherland drama. If you're holding a terrorist who knows about a ticking bomb that will undoubtedly kill scores of people, is it a valid strategy to torture the suspect to reveal the information to stop the bomb and save people?
This scenario is a movie plot; a straw-man sort of thing that probably would never happen in reality the way it does on a fictional TV show. However, many of them liked to float this situation to convince people that routine torture of suspected terrorists was justified.
In my opinion, this Russian influence thing parallels another TV show: The Walking Dead. On that show, it's a routine practice to terminate individuals infected with the zombie virus who will invariably turn into a zombie themselves. It's done before the infection peaks as a "mercy kill" so the victim won't experience the terror of becoming a zombie, and for safety; putting the victim down before they turn and become a dangerous threat is a cold reality in the fiction of the show. Many characters accept that with no cure, this is the smartest move for healthy survivors, and accept it bravely.
Just like 24, Russian influence was an almost unbelievable scenario, but the reality has become clear: Flynn was "infected", and yet the Administration wants to perceive his resignation as the solution and resolution to the entire crisis, dust their hands "problem solved!" and go on like no big deal. This is akin to cutting off a zombie-bitten arm in hopes the virus doesn't continue to spread throughout the body. In zombie shows, this almost never works as the tragic characters expect, and often leads to a future catastrophe that plays out in the worst possible way. The type of "infection" that the potential Russian influence apparently posed to our election (and now our government) does not exist in a vacuum. It's a virus that spreads and offers no benefit to its perpetraitors unless there is collusion.
More of our elected civil servants are infected, and may be unwittingly more dangerous than they realize; they "don't remember" speaking to Russian personnel who neglected to wear their "Hello! I am a counterintelligence Spy!" badge or interacted with foreign entities in an unassuming manner where they themselves don't realize exactly how they've been compromised. The only sure thing for the safety of our government is to make sure every single person who risks continuing the taint of Russia's meddling with our political body from the inside is to purge absolutely everyone who could possibly be affected. It's a rough idea, and a hard one to swallow, but it's the only way to keep our democracy and our government healthy and not just existing as dead meat.
Posted by forgotmylogin | Wed Feb 15, 2017, 01:34 PM (3 replies)
What example do I have to follow? The Republicans didnít want Obama to be a great President; they succeeded in obstructing a good deal of his agenda, then when he managed to take a giant (if not perfect) step forward in providing healthcare for Americans who didnít have it, they spent $87 million dollars petulantly trying to vote to repeal it over fifty times.
They stole a Supreme Court nomination from him by not even voting on his completely reasonable nominee. During his term. For a year.
Republicans gleefully frame the Obama years as a complete failure; an outright string of lies that serves to set the bar low as possible for the inevitable next Republican President.
And then they give us Donald Trump, who won the election despite being the most inappropriate candidate qualification-wise, and a reprehensibly spoiled, narcissistic, antipathic human being in general, who bullied his way into the nomination. For doing so, they win both houses and complete control of the government.
Cooperation with the opposing party is apparently not how you win elections. ďLetís come together in our desire to destroy all the progress weíve made in the 20th centuryĒ is not an acceptable olive branch.
No. I donít want to support Trump and his policies, and by proxy the Republican agenda in any way. The Republicans have shown us that you donít support a President who isnít from your party even when they desire to move humanity forward. If they state the sky is blue, you engage in 24-hour news-channel propaganda to flood the concept that their truth is a lie. You sabotage them via obstruction, outright lies, and throwing broken glass in the path of every piece of legislation that benefits their agenda. Their agenda is screwing America for the benefit of the rich and privileged. My preferred agenda is improving the quality of life for all.
Iíd be sullenly relieved to be proven wrong if America thrives in the next four years in some strange reverse-psychology ploy, but Iím not going to give Trump or his ilk any help or support with their blatantly inhumanitarian goals and methods that I disagree with "for the good of the country".
The Republicans have taught me that's how you win.
Posted by forgotmylogin | Tue Jan 3, 2017, 02:08 PM (21 replies)
The expectation is that Trump will prefer bullet points to paragraphs, and headlines to details. Said Priess: "I would ask the president-elect directly: In what format would you like it? We can brief it to you. We can write it for you. We can do interpretive dance if you want. Just tell us."
I had to laugh forehead-down on my desk at the scenario of Trump in the Oval like Jabba the Hutt commanding SEND IN THE DANCERS and a line of business suited men and women and percussionists running in and assuming Martha Graham poses as they wait for the music to start.
Posted by forgotmylogin | Sat Dec 10, 2016, 06:14 PM (4 replies)
I started a political Twitter fight the other day (sometimes I feel feisty and like scrapping with the other side) It ended up with me basically conceding "Okay you've all convinced me, I'll vote for Trump, bye" just to withdraw because I had work to do, and they were all sniggering amongst themselves that I couldn't "keep up" in real time because my responses weren't instantaneous like it was live chat.
I was fine with all the "because Hillary has murdered hundreds of people" and the "because Bill did..." lines of argument The one that I had trouble answering was "What has Hillary accomplished?" I know she's had a long life in politics, been a Senator and SoS...but somehow anything you tell them is not any kind of valid answer. I like Samantha Bee's "Oh yeah, because the First Lady of Arkansas is who they consult to write tax code" answer but that didn't really apply. She did a ton of work in those roles, and her name is on (I think she said) over 600 pieces of legislation, but that all doesn't apply because she's a "murderer whose killed people with her bare hands" and "despicable because she let Bill off the hook" and "Benghazi" and "delivered secret emails containing all teh info" directly to ISIS" whatever. As usual, any solid hit I landed on Trump resulted in a non-sequitur insult ("get a job libtard")
Is there a good comeback for the "Hillary hasn't accomplished anything" accusation? I linked them to several websites with lists, but of course they were all "lib'rul media" sites and didn't count.
I know I shouldn't pick fights because their arguments are unreasonable. The most comical part was when they were all sniggering because I hadn't responded in like five minutes because I was actually finishing a report for work on the other screen next to my laptop. "Oh he's still thinking of an answer" "Oh, he's left us cause he has no answer" and someone random chimed in "these worthless libtards need to get a job"...as I'm doing my job.
Overall my impression though is that there's this extra layer of evil frosting on their hatred for Hillary. They hate Bill too but the invective doesn't have quite the extra slime of nastiness. The only thing I can guess is because she's a woman, and they have to resist saying that.
Posted by forgotmylogin | Sat Oct 15, 2016, 11:09 AM (21 replies)
I would pay to see Trump go silently Yosemite Sam when he realizes the mod is holding down the button.
Posted by forgotmylogin | Tue Sep 27, 2016, 02:22 PM (3 replies)
From Polygon, a gaming website that also does movie reviews:
If you don't have your finger on the trigger and you jump or tense up, nothing happens. If you keep your finger on the trigger when you're not ready to wreck some shit, you may end up accidentally wrecking some shit
Police are escalating to drawn guns too early, and putting their finger on the trigger before they see an actual firearm in the suspect's hand.
If the suspect's hands are in the air, the policeman's finger should be off the trigger.
Posted by forgotmylogin | Thu Sep 22, 2016, 12:39 PM (0 replies)
It interferes with their easy assumptions that everything is either black or white, one is "with us or against us", and "things have always been this way and always will be".
It's why "flip-flop" was made a pejorativeóthe progressive concept that a person can hold one opinion and then another after learning more about an evolving situation makes them crazy because it undermines the religious concept of "unshakeable belief". (Which it actually does not; learning from mistakes is one of the tenets most religious parables teach. They often eagerly conflate "faith" with "personal opinion" because they like to have faith. Lots of it.)
Also, thinking is hard and revisiting a situation objectively takes time. They'd rather go with what they know, which was learned from their parents, which has always been "the way it was, the way it is". Shades of gray are too complicated to explain to their children.
They'd much rather shoot first and believe there was no good that could have been done because that lets them sleep at night.
Posted by forgotmylogin | Sun Aug 28, 2016, 11:40 AM (1 replies)