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appal_jack

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The Democratic Party should have learned lessons of 2000

I have no qualm with noting that the Stein votes and post-Primary anti-Hillary rhetoric contributed to this awful state we are now in as a nation, rather like the "they're all the same" rhetoric and Nader votes contributed to the awful post-2000 reality. This is 100% true.

But the other parallels between 2000 and 2016 are equally disturbing. The Democratic Party put forth a wooden and out of touch candidate who ignored all calls from the left flank to engage with the voters, whether through VP selection, creative use of surrogates, specific campaign promises, or other ways to genuinely get out the votes in sufficient quantity. Al Gore and Hillary Clinton both are intelligent and dedicated politicians who failed to rouse enough voters. In both 2000 and 2016, this strategy did not work out too well. We need to own that. Might Gore or HRC have done better with a truly progressive VP candidate, sharing the spotlight with some fiery surrogates (whether VP or otherwise), and/or promising a few pie-in-the-sky progressive visions? I wish we could run the experiment again a few times to find out, and then live in the world where it works out better.

And yes, in both 2000 and 2016 a slim majority voted for the Democratic candidate. But a slim majority did not cut it in either case.

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Viable options for fighting the Trump* SC nominee

It's way too soon to roll-over, scream "We're Fuuuuucked," or other defeatist nonsense. Here are two viable options Senate Democrats can take, maybe to derail the nomination, but certainly to fight as hard as they can.

#1: MESSAGING

Via Christian Finnegan on Twitter (@ChristFinnegan):

Dem senators, repeat after me:

“The President of the United States is under investigation for collusion with a foreign adversary and obstruction of justice. There can be no SCOTUS replacement until he’s been cleared.”


#2: Democratic Senators Refuse to Answer Roll Call Votes

https://www.vox.com/mischiefs-of-faction/2018/6/20/17480304/how-democrats-can-shut-down-senate

How Democrats can shut down the Senate
If Democrats refuse to participate in roll call votes, the Senate will come to a halt for lack of a quorum.


What other potentially effective ideas for resistance do DU'ers have?

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"Womp Womp." *

* Normally, I would never think to quote a hateful piece of shit traitor like Corey Lewandowski, but his horrid (when directed at a child) quote seemed so appropriate to instead direct at the Orange-utang here.

k&r,

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Justin Trudeau sat on DT's lap?

I'd be interested in seeing an analogous photo:

https://goo.gl/images/Bt8Zrv|

Cozying-up to war criminals is wrong, even when a major Democratic politician does it.

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Terribly flawed analogy.

Pierce is usually so excellent. Rage and ideology are unfortunately clouding his logic here. He is comparing and conflating unfortunate side-effects and technicalities of other liberties with criminal activity related to guns. The criminal equivalents of the 1st, 4th, and 5th Amendments (etc.) are murderous cults, powerful drug cartels, mob racketeering, and so on. Yet, strangely, we only blame the right itself when it comes to the Second Amendment.

Using rights to commit harm is wrong, but that only means that the harmful crimes ought to be prosecuted, not that the rights themselves ought to be tossed into the dumpter.

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Could a credibility gap be any wider?

MSF / Doctors Without Borders: Absolutely unimpeachable in their words and deeds.

Donald Trump: Hopefully soon to be impeached for his deceitful words and criminal deeds.

k&r,

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No, you are wrong from jumping to conclusions again.

Never been an NRA member. If they just protected the Second Amendment, I might have joined in the past (I have been a member of the ACLU many times, and would send them $$$ again if I had them to spare...) But in recent decades, the NRA morphed into a cheerleader for abusive law enforcement and the War on (some) Drugs, while also being a mouthpiece for Republicans. Some of this is understandable, since Democrats have vacillated between being weak to truly awful on Second Amendment issues since the late 1960's, but it's still no excuse. And I value women's right to reproductive freedom, LGBTQ rights, privacy (another right where Democrats' record is mixed, but consistently better than Repubs), financial regulation (same), etc. all too much to ever willingly support Republicans at this stage.

Yes, I do believe that the NRA accepted and essentially laundered Russian money before and during the 2016 election, and I do believe that is a criminal offense. The fact that I share some measure of support for the Second Amendment with some NRA members is not enough for me to excuse or ignore this fact.

So, now you know.

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Freedumb!

This is exactly the location and circumstance where the freedom to petition the government for redress of grievance is absolutely necessary, yet here is the US Government acting like there is no such thing as the First Amendment. These US Forest lands belong to We the People. It's a crime to sacrifice them for a private pipeline, and beyond comprehension that protesting such on public lands should be restrained prior to even beginning.

I hope that this gets challenged and overturned in court.

k&r,

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A revolver on its own would have been inadequate.

I recommend that all DU'ers discussing gun issues and possible bans watch the full video (shared below) and read the full article at this link:

https://heavy.com/news/2018/02/tina-ring-ashley-lee-mom-daughter-tulsa-robbery-video/

I'll excerpt the allowed number of paragraphs, and provide some comments to get the discussion started.

A mother and daughter fought off a robber armed with a sawed-off shotgun at their family’s liquor store, shooting him multiple times before he fled, police say. The harrowing incident was caught on the store’s security cameras.


The daughter is seen working the register and the mother is initially off-screen when the robber enters brandishing a sawed-off shotgun. The women are then seen putting their hands up and otherwise peacefully complying with the robber as empties the register of its cash. He moves off screen, presumably exiting the store, but inexplicably returns, perhaps wanting to steal more. By this time, the younger woman has retrieved a revolver from under the counter and handed it to her mother, and also retrieved a small-caliber (perhaps .380?) semi-automatic pistol for herself.

Tina Ring, 53, and her daughter, Ashley Lee, 30, were working at Forest Acres Liquor in Tulsa, Oklahoma, on February 22 when the incident occurred. Police say the suspect, Tyrone Lee, checked himself in to a local hospital with four gunshot wounds and is expected to survive.

Both women shot Lee during the incident, police said.

“I think I’m still in shock,” Tina Ring told the Tulsa World on Saturday. “I don’t think I have really processed everything yet.”

The suspect is believed to be connected to a string of several armed robberies in the area in recent weeks, police said.


Tyrone's sawed-off shotgun was apparently unloaded, or this event could have turned out much more tragically. Nonetheless, the larger and stronger man was able to wrestle-away the revolver from the mother, fortunately only after she had emptied it of its ~5 rounds. But by that time, Tyrone had been hit at least twice with bullets fired by the women.

Tina Ring told the Tulsa World, “I didn’t want him to hurt my daughter. That was my main thought.” She said they tried to give him the money and get him out of the store, but then he came back.

“All I was thinking was ‘Just give him the money and go,’ and next thing I know, I see him back in my face,” Ring told the newspaper.

Ashley Lee told ABC News, her mother, “was all I could think about,” during the horrifying experience. During an interview Sunday, Ring said that Lee, “saved my life,” and her daughter responded, tears in her eyes, “you saved my life.”


These women acted as safely and responsibly as I could ever imagine. They initially complied with the assailant, they called 911 as soon as they could. They only fired their own weapons when the assailant reinitiated contact. And yet, a full load of a revolver was not enough to even slow the assailant down, and the rounds from the semi-automatic pistol were what allowed the two women to escape with their lives.

I'd really like to hear from the DU Chairborne Commando Brigade (Virtue Signaling Division) who have been telling me for over a week now that a revolver is plenty of protection, and that all semi-autos need to be banned...


Full video (graphic):

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This is just as bad as the Franken pile-on.

I oppose AWB's on grounds of individual liberty, and that they will not in fact reduce murders.

I can't imagine compliance with such a ridiculous law being particularly high even if a fair price was paid for each weapon turned-in, and the link makes no mention of how more than a hundred million firearms would be paid for.

But the details of my opposition aside, the mob mentality that has gripped many Democrats is truly chilling. There is a mad rush to delete one of the ten fundamental freedoms written into our founding national document. Like the rush to Deny Al Franken due process in the zeal for "Me too," this AWB madness will hurt many actual, progressive Democrats across the USA. I predict that Democrats will suffer at the polls once the media moves on to the next big story.

Meanwhile, I will continue to speak against this ill-advised policy proposal.

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